Dealing With One or More BALLS IN JAWS OF A POCKET

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FYI, I just posted a new video that covers many situations where one or more balls are in the jaws of a pocket. Topics included are balls jammed in a pocket, an object ball in the jaws of a pocket, and the cue ball corner hooked behind a point of the pocket. Check it out:


Contents:
0:00 - Intro
0:14 - Rules
1:23 - Balls Jammed in Pocket
---- 2:23 - intentional foul
---- 4:13 - spinning ball in
4:57 - OB in Jaws of Pocket
6:46 - CB Corner Hooked
---- 7:54 - CB frozen to short rail facing
---- 9:27 - driving through pocket point
10:26 - More Info

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As always, I look forward to your feedback, comments, questions, complaints, and requests.

Enjoy!
 
Good stuff from the fringes there. The settling effect can turn into acetylene though. Anyone would call foul even if you pre explained. And what happens if you can't detect the condition?

I can see the technical guys ruling the movement as movement, foul. :oops::ROFLMAO:
 
straightline said:
Good stuff from the fringes there.
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One great thing about pool is there are lots of “fringe” shots that don’t come up often, but knowing them can help you win games on occasion.

straightline said:
The settling effect can turn into acetylene though. Anyone would call foul even if you pre explained. And what happens if you can't detect the condition?
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Which “condition” are you referring to? A ball hanging over the edge, whether balls are frozen, whether a ball settles or not? Concerning a ball hanging over the edge, I think it is usually obvious when looking from above. If not, the ball stays.


straightline said:
I can see the technical guys ruling the movement as movement, foul. :oops::ROFLMAO:
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I would expect a “technical guy” to know the rules and judge shots properly. Maybe a better term for somebody who calls foul when a ball settles is “doofus cheater.” 🤓
 
straightline said:
Anyplace the balls are leaning on each other. You may be shooting away from a ball at a legal hit but it moves. The guy in the chair sees movement, foul. Compound this with Mr Inthechair is all proud of the way he left you. Arrgh. :ROFLMAO:
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Well, now there is a video you can have Mr. InTheChair watch if this happens. 🤓
 
I don't think I see the 1p extraction that jams the cb/ ob into the facings ad then spins both out of the pocket?

Missed opportunity... and a shot that breaks spirits.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I suspect that Dr. D's Olhausen does not have pockets that will work for the shot but it is amazing to see.
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I never could use that underwear again after I had it done to me.

This pocket looks like it'd be appropriate to (not) make that hanger, no?
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Black-Balled said:
I never could use that underwear again after I had it done to me.

This pocket looks like it'd be appropriate to (not) make that hanger, no? ...
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Yes, that should work. The shot was shown to me by Greg Sullivan, and I suspect he chose the exact width of pockets on Diamond tables to make the shot possible. He likes clever wrinkles.

The shot does not work on smaller pockets -- only "4 1/2".
 
The current rules do not seem very practical. How does one know if the OB will drop unless you actually pull the CB out of the pocket?

Want to make the jammed ball rule practical? Any balls jammed in a pocket are considered pocketed.
 
7stud said:
The current rules do not seem very practical. How does one know if the OB will drop unless you actually pull the CB out of the pocket? ...
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Usually there is no problem figuring it out. One way to test for drop is to press one of the jawed balls into the facing being careful to move it directly away from the other ball. If the other ball drops, it was being supported.

For 4.5-inch and smaller pockets, the problem can't occur.
 
Black-Balled said:
I don't think I see the 1p extraction that jams the cb/ ob into the facings ad then spins both out of the pocket?

Missed opportunity... and a shot that breaks spirits.
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It actually crossed my mind during filming, but I generally don’t include 1P-specific shots in general videos, where most of the audience plays only 8-ball and 9-ball.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I suspect that Dr. D's Olhausen does not have pockets that will work for the shot but it is amazing to see.
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I just tried it. I can extract a ball, but only a little (but enough). If I use too much speed, the balls can squeeze through, since my facings angles are not angled out enough.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Usually there is no problem figuring it out. One way to test for drop is to press one of the jawed balls into the facing being careful to move it directly away from the other ball. If the other ball drops, it was being supported.

For 4.5-inch and smaller pockets, the problem can't occur.
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Agreed. It is also usually obvious when looking down directly over the pocket. If not, the facing-press test works.
 
Good stuff here, Dave.

Nice to know the rules but nobody knows them all. Even referees must occasionally look them up. Legendary golfer Ben Crenshaw once offered in an interview "I doubt there's even one player on the PGA tour that knows all of the rules of golf."
 
dr_dave said:
It actually crossed my mind during filming, but I generally don’t include 1P-specific shots in general videos, where most of the audience plays only 8-ball and 9-ball.
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Ok you should totally do a 1-P vid or series!!! I have learned more about pool, in general, playing 1hole since I started playing again. Your take and knowledge would be awesome to review! Do it!
 
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