Dechaine 8 and out vs Archer?

Nostroke said:
I guess 10 Ball has not solved the '9 Ball' problems afterall. Anyone for 11 Ball?
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Haha now that would be a tough rack to solve...But it's exactly right. 5 years ago 10 ball breaks were coming off sloppy and unpredictable, more like an 8 ball break. Now, you can tell especially on the stream how wired the second balls are to the side and how tracked a few of the other balls are as well. I'm sure the Magic Rack has part to do with this.

It's certainly still at the point where only a select few have a consistent handle on the break. It will be interesting to see if it turns in to 9 ball where the entire field has a ball wired and a player feels robbed by the rack if they don't make one.
 
Nostroke said:
I guess 10 Ball has not solved the '9 Ball' problems afterall. Anyone for 11 Ball?
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Actually, I respectfully differ.

the 10 ball break is a higher skill shot than a 9 ball break. If the 9 ball rack is tight, no spaces, then you can lag the cb into the 1 ball and make the wing ball.

With the 10 ball rack, you need a good rack AND you have to hit the 1 ball squarely, from the right breaking area, WITH a decent power break. You dont need to break like Sarah Rousey, but you do need a decent pop on it, to make the second row ball in the side pocket.

IMO, it take a lot more skill to break in a ball with 10 ball.


Eric
 
sfleinen said:
This is the typical response of a "you'll pry my Texas Express from my cold, dead fingers" 9-baller. I.e. that 10-ball is merely only "1 extra ball added to a game that's already being played."

Folks that play 10-ball know that the "automatic wing-ball into the corner and automatic 1-ball in the side" of 9-ball does not exist in 10-ball. Because of 10-ball's triangular-shaped rack, the closest you can get to this kind of predictability in 10-ball, is that second row of balls -- one of them going into the side. That's what the pros are playing for, but any of them will tell you that's not automatic. Also, there are no golden breaks in 10-ball -- the poster that mentioned Earl's 11-pack having a footnote next to it (i.e. that 4 of those racks were golden breaks) has a point.

And let's not forget the call-shot wrench thrown into the works as well. You can't downplay that restriction, especially when faced with bank shots. (I.e. a favorite ploy in 9-ball is to hit bank shots harder than normal, so that if you, say, miss the cross-side bank, the object ball may take an extra trip cross-table and go into the opposite side -- a legal shot in 9-ball, but not in 10-ball.)

There's a lot more to 10-ball than the shallow "it's only 1 extra ball" thing. What Mike Dechaine did, an 8-pack in 10-ball, is truly extraordinary. You're not going to see many of those!

-Sean
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Great post and I agree. Another reason the "one more ball" is harder is that extra ball takes up another tracking lane on the table. This is why making two balls or more on the break in 10-ball is so big for a runout. I've always said the pros should be playing 15 ball in rotation games. Lets also not forget they are using the MR. Still an 8-pack in 10-ball is awsome. Johnnyt
 
Well Archer did make it to the table once! he got to lag:thumbup: I guess he will work on his lag as once stated by Grady Mathews when commentating a strait pool match between Mike Sigel and Mike Zuglan, Zuglan lost the lag, he broke left a ball in the open Sigel drilled the shot and 150 balls later won the match!:grin:
 
^^^^^^^What he said^^^^^

Magic Rack is "9ballizing" 10 ball.

Color me old school, but I like the triangle rack with rack your own.

Ray
 
I personally think the Magic Rack is one of the best things in a long time for pool. It may make the break easier to predict but that is done with skill not luck. It also gives each player essentially the same rack every game so there is no cheating with the rack.
 
Bigtruck said:
^^^^^^^What he said^^^^^

Magic Rack is "9ballizing" 10 ball.

Color me old school, but I like the triangle rack with rack your own.

Ray
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First off I don't want to take absolutely anything away from the 8 pack feat. I don't care what rack you're using or what game you're playing, an 8 pack (especially when it is a race to 8) requires a ton of concentration and composure.

What I've noticed though is what once was a premium only to SVB is now fairly common knowledge amongst all top players. I still feel nobody hits the head ball with more accuracy than him, but with the Magic Rack unfortunately that does not matter. The two balls can still be dead in the side, or the corner balls dead 4 rails into the corners if you are not 100% accurate. Watching the World 10 ball this year it seemed like everybody had a break. Maybe it was just me? Maybe the game is just progressing at a super high rate?

Personally I'm still very surprised how long it took everyone, especially the Filipinos, to catch on. Dennis Orcollo was still breaking from the side rail (LOL right??) when he won the Predator stop in Vegas. Only until recently did I notice him putting in serious time on the 10 ball break (from the box) on the Star Billiards stream.

(It should be noted that after the most recent Ultimate 10 ball tourney I finally purchased a Magic Rack myself and LOVE it for 10 ball since the ball conditions where I practice are not capable of giving a tight rack with a triangle. But I am starting to wonder if what Ray said is true...)
 
JoeyA said:
Just when I was whining about yesteryear and five and six packs. :D:p:D

JoeyA
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Uh oh. All of these b & r's that people are talking about must have bored the spectators to tears! Tables must be WAY too easy.

The tourney directors had better get serious about switching to at 9' X 18' table with 3.75" pockets, or our sport is doomed!!!
 
What are the anwsers to why the rotation tournaments are not 15 ball rotation? Takes too long? Make time. Most pro players want to keep the cheat factor (rack mechanics) in the game. Too bad...get over it. There is not one good reason NOT to change to 15 ball rotation. It's the game with the most skill IMO. Johnnyt
 
Johnnyt said:
What are the anwsers to why the rotation tournaments are not 15 ball rotation? Takes too long? Make time. Most pro players want to keep the cheat factor (rack mechanics) in the game. Too bad...get over it. There is not one good reason NOT to change to 15 ball rotation. It's the game with the most skill IMO. Johnnyt
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Hell yeah! Well said. Let 'em play rotation. SUPER creative game and super skill required to boot. Rep to you.
 
I don't think it will matter what game they play, the pros will adjust, they will figure it out and make it look easy as they always do, it may take a while then we will be back at it again on how easy it is, how the table is to easy with 2.75 inch pockets:D we as a whole will never be satisfied:( there will always be something to complain about. an 8 pack in 10 ball is awsome, and I thought puting a 10 pack on the gohst was doing something:embarrassed2:
 
it certainly was an amazing run. and Dechaine is a great player in the making, but running an 8-pack in 10Ball is not likely to happen if the magic rack isnt applied. Frost and Alex also had 5 packs, which you rarely see in 10Ball tournaments.
My vote for best run is still Efren's 9-pack vs Bustamante in the WPC semis 1999. Or maybe Souquets 27-pack in 8 Ball.
 
I totally agree the pro's will adjust.

What young guns like Mike is doing for the game is raising the bar to higher and higher standards. I know for a fact Dechaine puts hours and hours into his break. Mike and Shane have had many discussions on the 10ball break these guys WORK at it. So it not the equipment its not the Majic Rack its nothing but dedication, talent and the want to be the best that has made the game easy.

Someone pointed out Dennis breaking from the side rail that just tells me he doesnt want or didnt think he needed to put his time in. But people like Mike, Jesse and Shane are putting there time and heart into it, to be the best and are getting rewarded for it. But people are saying its the rack or some cheat or something or another. These KIDS are fantastic and are raising the game to higher levels then ever before. There are a few and select group of slightly older players who still have the desire and put there time in and have kept up with the times but not many.

So to take away from these kids by saying its the rack and we should go back to old ways etc etc. TRUST me if we were playing using a rack on 10ft tables using clay balls these kids would dominate just like they are now.

I can only say one thing I dont care who you are running the Set 8 and out is amazing. point and fact is no one else has done it Mike has period just amazing to me
 
Whether it is 8, 9, 10 Ball, 14.1, banks or one pocket...demonstrations of high level skills is a beautiful sight. The tables at the U.S. Open 10-Ball are Diamond Pro Cut 9', not easy by any stretch. Watching the players in the practice room and at the event, what becomes evident to me is how they approach their practice and the table. They search for what works for them on the break, location of the cue ball, speed, location of impact on the one ball. Then they practice the mechanics of their body in relationship to the velocity through the break shot and they do it over and over and over again till satisfied, or close to satisfied they like what they are seeing.

This is the mentality of a champion: never give up, have faith in yourself, put emphasis on both the physical and menal aspects of the game, and also strive to be better today than you were yesterday. Don't be afraid of defeat cause that is part of life, but don't accept it as a norm in your life or sport. They say champions are made, not necessarily born. Inate talent a person is born with whether in sport, art, whatever - but its the heart and desire of the person to develop those talents as high as they can that makes a person a champion. Just my opinion.
 
Holly said:
Whether it is 8, 9, 10 Ball, 14.1, banks or one pocket...demonstrations of high level skills is a beautiful sight. The tables at the U.S. Open 10-Ball are Diamond Pro Cut 9', not easy by any stretch. Watching the players in the practice room and at the event, what becomes evident to me is how they approach their practice and the table. They search for what works for them on the break, location of the cue ball, speed, location of impact on the one ball. Then they practice the mechanics of their body in relationship to the velocity through the break shot and they do it over and over and over again till satisfied, or close to satisfied they like what they are seeing.

This is the mentality of a champion: never give up, have faith in yourself, put emphasis on both the physical and menal aspects of the game, and also strive to be better today than you were yesterday. Don't be afraid of defeat cause that is part of life, but don't accept it as a norm in your life or sport. They say champions are made, not necessarily born. Inate talent a person is born with whether in sport, art, whatever - but its the heart and desire of the person to develop those talents as high as they can that makes a person a champion. Just my opinion.
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And a very good opinion at that. Johnnyt
 
Did Mike make the 2nd ball in the side on every break? Same question for Frost and Alex on their runs?
 
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