Dechaine 8 and out vs Archer?

This may be a first...I've never heard of an 8-pack at 10-ball.
And I've seen lots of 10-ball on 5 inch pockets.
I feel this at least equals Johnny's 13-pack on Busty at 9-ball...
...they were playing on bigger pockets also.

Earl's 11-pack still gets my vote as the best...he had million $ pressure.

I'm not positive but pretty sure that Shane ran 8 or 9 racks of Ten Ball against Cory in the race to 100 Tar match-up.
 
Uh oh. All of these b & r's that people are talking about must have bored the spectators to tears! Tables must be WAY too easy.

The tourney directors had better get serious about switching to at 9' X 18' table with 3.75" pockets, or our sport is doomed!!!

lol maby on a 9' by 18' so Earl can get the full use out of his cue. :D
 
it certainly was an amazing run. and Dechaine is a great player in the making, but running an 8-pack in 10Ball is not likely to happen if the magic rack isnt applied. Frost and Alex also had 5 packs, which you rarely see in 10Ball tournaments.
My vote for best run is still Efren's 9-pack vs Bustamante in the WPC semis 1999. Or maybe Souquets 27-pack in 8 Ball.

my vote is definitly for efrens 9 pack, and now dechaines 8 pack because it doesnt matter what rack your using thats HARD. and as far as souquets 27 B&Rs i read the post on here about it and i believe it happened but it just seems like something was "left out" in the story perhaps he was playing bih ghost or something? because if he could run that many then why wasnt he running out sets in the actual IPT tournaments? i may be wrong on this but i think his biggest run was only 6 in the tournament.
 
Actually, I respectfully differ.

the 10 ball break is a higher skill shot than a 9 ball break. If the 9 ball rack is tight, no spaces, then you can lag the cb into the 1 ball and make the wing ball.

With the 10 ball rack, you need a good rack AND you have to hit the 1 ball squarely, from the right breaking area, WITH a decent power break. You dont need to break like Sarah Rousey, but you do need a decent pop on it, to make the second row ball in the side pocket.

IMO, it take a lot more skill to break in a ball with 10 ball.


Eric

I hear ya but the magic rack seems to be the wave of the future so that is 50% of it already. One pro told me he would not have played if he knew it was race to 8, magic rack and winner breaks. Remember these are Diamonds- What happens on GCs with these rules?
 
What are the anwsers to why the rotation tournaments are not 15 ball rotation? Takes too long? Make time. Most pro players want to keep the cheat factor (rack mechanics) in the game. Too bad...get over it. There is not one good reason NOT to change to 15 ball rotation. It's the game with the most skill IMO. Johnnyt

I've been saying this for years. From the exhibition matches I saw Efren compete in, it wasn't slow at all. No slower than 10 ball. A race to 5 or 7 would be plenty and run outs would be at a minimum. Furthermore if you run 9 balls and miss the game ball, your opponent at least needs to run 6 balls to win, which is a heck of a lot better than just needing to pocket the 10 ball.
 
I've been saying this for years. From the exhibition matches I saw Efren compete in, it wasn't slow at all. No slower than 10 ball. A race to 5 or 7 would be plenty and run outs would be at a minimum. Furthermore if you run 9 balls and miss the game ball, your opponent at least needs to run 6 balls to win, which is a heck of a lot better than just needing to pocket the 10 ball.

Probably would need a shot clock in some form for the slowpokes.Johnnyt
 
I wonder if the "Fatal Flaw" thread will catch another gear on the news of Dechaine's feat. :grin-square:

This to me is one of the most exciting things that will happen in the tournament. While I wasn't there, I'd say it is a pretty sure bet that as word spread through the room, spectators were moving closer and closer to the match and probably everyone in the room had there eyes glued on that last rack.
 
An "eight pack" playing Ten Ball on these tough Diamond tables is a remarkable feat any way you look at it. My observations are that the players are finally sorting out how to break in Ten Ball. It's not the powerful explosiveness of SVB that gets the job done. There is a controlled break, at about 75-80% power, that is working well for the best players. They are attempting to make a ball in the side, with the cue ball hopping back near mid table, leaving a shot on the one.

Dechaine and Raj Hundal are two of the best at this I've seen. Over in Asia, I saw several players breaking effectively like this as well. We are just now beginning to see four and five packs on a regular basis. This is the first eight pack I've heard of at Ten Ball. What is happening is that thanks to the Magic Rack, the players have learned the optimum break shot.

I never thought I would ever say this, but maybe these tournaments need to be played using alternate breaks. I for one, wouldn't mind seeing the advent of Rotation tournaments. To me it is the ultimate rotation game. A Race to Five (or six) is a good contest and run outs will be the exception, rather than the rule. Just my two cents. I don't know about you, but I wish I could have seen Mike's eight racks. It still ain't easy to run all those racks. We won't be seeing that again for a while, a long while!
 
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I am with you Jay ...

This was a remarkable feat. I have watched a bunch of 10 ball matches, and even if they made a ball, most of the time there was not a shot on the 1 or an extremely hard shot at best, so for Dechaine to run 8 racks is quite a feat. Seems like he is playing better and better lately.
 
I never thought I would ever say this, but maybe these tournaments need to be played using alternate breaks. I for one, wouldn't mind seeing the advent of Rotation tournaments. To me it is the ultimate rotation game. A Race to Five (or six) is a good contest and run outs will be the exception, rather than the rule. Just my two cents. I don't know about you, but I wish I could have seen Mike's eight racks. It still ain't easy to run all those racks. We won't be seeing that again for a while, a long while!

What if instead of rotating every rack they alternated every two racks? This is a completely random thought, but maybe it would have the strength of alternate break with the bonus of allowing a player to string racks together?
 
> To Mike,son that was AWESOME :thumbup:. You have every right to be proud.

If I had done it,I'd have had to give ya the Ali "I'm the king of the world,I'm pretty,I'M A BAAAD MAN!"

This is just me,but I say keep going with winner breaks. No packages=no visual excitement for casual spectators that paid to get in. Tommy D.
 
Im sure somebody asked Johnny, "Hey man how did your match with Dechaine go??"

Johnny simple replies, " I dogged the lag!!!!" :(


Fricking amazing pool player that Mike is!! Congrats to him!! :)
 
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Ok how about winner breaks but opponent gets to unfreeze 2 balls while keeping the balls within the triangle. Forget it, that wouldnt work either.

It would be nice to get back to a 'random start' though.
 
So he beats Earl the round before then runs 8 and out against Archer.

This kid is comming into his game big time
Did you see his play to win the 10 ball event a few weeks back playing Jermeny Johnson?

He is turning into a monster. I hope he is able to maintain this level of play and make all the big events so he can show what he has. His play has come up significantly in the past few years.
 
Did you see his play to win the 10 ball event a few weeks back playing Jermeny Johnson?

He is turning into a monster. I hope he is able to maintain this level of play and make all the big events so he can show what he has. His play has come up significantly in the past few years.

You mean Jeremy Jones previous US Open Champion.
 
I thought Bustamante ran something over an 8 pack at this past years Fatboy 10 ball Challenge at the Derby?
 
Was pattern racking allowed? I think that adds as much to a better runout chance as a "perfect" rack. IMHO, racks should be setup just how the rulebooks state "in a random order" aside from the obvious key balls (1,9,10,8).

Plus the jump cue, makes is much easier to pocket a ball to continue a run if you hook yourself.
 
Was pattern racking allowed? I think that adds as much to a better runout chance as a "perfect" rack. IMHO, racks should be setup just how the rulebooks state "in a random order" aside from the obvious key balls (1,9,10,8).

Plus the jump cue, makes is much easier to pocket a ball to continue a run if you hook yourself.

It's not rack your own. So bad pattern racking. Johnnyt
 
I thought Bustamante ran something over an 8 pack at this past years Fatboy 10 ball Challenge at the Derby?

He ran five racks and won eight games in a row. His opponent came to the table one time to kick at a ball in the eight games.
 
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