Deep Seated Bitterness
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onepocketchump
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ironman said:
That's what I think. But I am not into "know it all" super pseudo intellectuals. Anyone that spends as much time as she does responding to Larry's posts is clearly a psycho from hell. Sorry Deb, I married two of those before I woke up and realized being able to talk pretty doesn't make you pretty.
But since we are comparing degrees, I'll throw in one by proxy. My girlfriend has a PhD in Physics and is well published. You would never know though as she does not feel the need to impress anyone with her degrees. In fact, her view of the college process is that it only prepares students to be conformists.
Given Debra's textbook rantings and her resort to what she feels are insults that are real "zingers" instead of actually continuing to discuss the points I'd have to say that her degrees are all she has to cling to for her identity.
Body by Bud!
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Noodles said:I'm sure it was toungue in cheek. In saying that though I would say straybullets argument makes more sense. No offence to anyone intended.
Just my opinion
Noodles
No problem. I am sure that her "arguments" make sense from an outsider looking in perspective. If we take only that which we know and make an analysis based on that then it is easy to come to the conclusions Debra has so eloquently and politely shared with us.
Such an analysis would be flawed through lack of data however. And that has been my only contention when people like Debra (but especially her) make statements that are presented as factual. It may turn out that she is right in her predictions. That would make her a good educated guesser.
At this point we have to conclude that there isn't enough data to make a statement one way or the other about the IPT's financial solvency that isn't just a guess. And that is the whole point.
The personal "insults" are just her modus operandi for deflecting from the topic when she is cornered. If you go back in the discusssion you'll notice that she started them with her first post to me where she obsessed about my haircut. Why I don't know. Maybe she has a deep seated need to be a hairdresser and the whole CPA thing was pressure from her parents. Sounds like a fair guess based on the available data.
John
crosseyedjoe said:
I believe Boston Market has been out of bankruptcy for some time. McDonald's was able to take them over without paying the shareholders one nickel. And as far as i know Dunkin Donuts is not a public company but they are making a nice profit nevertheless. Now Krispy Kreme, that is another story.
onepocketchump said:
In those pro sports it costs well into the 5 digit range to enter...if you don't spend money, you aren't going to get a return...almost all have sponsors that pay the costs...which takes me to what I've stated before...until pool has the draw that the other sports have you aren't ever going to see more money...KT is throwing money at a lost cause IMO...the philosophy is money in, money out...
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NYC cue dude
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I think that the content in post #62 is so way out of line and so offensive, that the moderators should look into this and levy some sort of diciplinary action.
I have been a champion of free speech my whole life and the idea of censorship in general is a huge turn off for me. That said this is a family public POOL forum with no place for sexual innuendo/harrasment.
If AZ billiards has degenerated into such a place that allows a member to use such offensive writing towards another member, it wont be long before many reasonable minded participants will be running for the hills.
I don't know any of the participants in this discussion personally, and I'm not taking sides in their initial argument, so this post is not in support/against anyone personally.
Just my 2 cents.
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I have been a champion of free speech my whole life and the idea of censorship in general is a huge turn off for me. That said this is a family public POOL forum with no place for sexual innuendo/harrasment.
If AZ billiards has degenerated into such a place that allows a member to use such offensive writing towards another member, it wont be long before many reasonable minded participants will be running for the hills.
I don't know any of the participants in this discussion personally, and I'm not taking sides in their initial argument, so this post is not in support/against anyone personally.
Just my 2 cents.
rg
onepocketchump said:
I think you crossed a few lines here Chump. You owe someone a sincere and heartfelt apology. Your comments are gross, vulgar and totally out of line.
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Timberly
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I'm only posting about this because I am friends with John and I've also had my own dealings with Deb so I know exactly what John is talking about. NYC cue dude & Jay, consider yourselves very lucky that you don't know what he's talking about. Just know that before you guys or anyone else calls someone out for something like John's post, remember that it's possible that you don't know the whole story or both people.
NYC cue dude
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Timberly, like I said in the post, i was offended DEEPLY by the strong sexual content and implied innuendo therin, not by the personalities invloved.
There doesn't need to be an inside understanding of all their private history to condone/condemn the very PUBLIC display of vulgarity and insensitivity displayed in that post.
By your expressing that "i know john and you don't know all the facts" etc. only reveals your bias to the situation and dismisses the ACTUAL content as harmless.
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There doesn't need to be an inside understanding of all their private history to condone/condemn the very PUBLIC display of vulgarity and insensitivity displayed in that post.
By your expressing that "i know john and you don't know all the facts" etc. only reveals your bias to the situation and dismisses the ACTUAL content as harmless.
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Timberly
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Yes, I am biased but not because I'm friends with John...more so because of my dealings with the other. Knowing John, he certainly didn't mean to offend you or anyone else other than the intended. No need to get into it anymore than that. Like I said, just consider yourself lucky that you don't know.NYC cue dude said:
Timberly said:Yes, I am biased but not because I'm friends with John...more so because of my dealings with the other. Knowing John, he certainly didn't mean to offend you or anyone else other than the intended. No need to get into it anymore than that. Like I said, just consider yourself lucky that you don't know.
Despite whatever history you keep referring to, John's comments were rude, uncalled for and offensive. Biased or not I think that is quite obvious.
Anyone want to guess how many complaints this thread has generated?
What is it going to take to get people to keep their posts civil and clean?
I'm not interested in the "he said, she said" justifications.
Control it on your own folks or I won't be left with many options.
What is it going to take to get people to keep their posts civil and clean?
I'm not interested in the "he said, she said" justifications.
Control it on your own folks or I won't be left with many options.
Blackjack said:
Timberly only sees one side of every story, HERS. She jumps in and rambles about things when she has no idea what is going on. I just briefly read this thread and I have no idea who either party is, but I can tell you that the post in question was out of line, period.
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jay helfert said:
What? You're right Jay, I owe myself a sincere apology for even joking about having any type of relationship with Debra Li on any level. Other than that she can kiss my ass. It's perfectly alright for her to be as mean and condescending as she wants to be, for her to be as uncivil as she can be and yet it's not alright for me to play on her words WHILE keeping the discussion in context.
Sorry, I don't do the double standards game real well. If you don't like it then you are more than welcome to end our friendship over it. I am not the Pope and I am not going to apologize for your sensibilities.
Debra has crossed the "line" (wherever that is many times with me in the past and in this thread). If she can't take it then she shouldn't dish it out. You all might think she's funny. I think she is a pyscho cyberstalker on par with Larry Grindinger.
John Barton - bigger supporter of pool and pool players than Debra Li could ever, ever, ever hope or wish to be.
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onepocketchump
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Blackjack said:
As is just about every comment your girlfriend makes towards me. Keep her at bay and you won't need to read comments by me directed towards her or about her that offend you.
Oh I know, she's a liberated woman and you don't control her and blah, blah, blah. Well maybe you should take the time to point out to Miss Superiority Complex that when she starts making the discussion personal then she will always get what she gives.
If she wants to have a civil discussion where asked questions are answered civilly and the points discussed with civility and respect then she should give it. As I do with her when she acts like a normal person. Each discussion where she interacts with me is her chance to be normal. She chooses not to and therefore will always incur my sarcasm each time she chooses to personally attack me. That's the end of the story David.
I know you have issues with the IPT and you have issues with me supporting the IPT. I am honestly not sure what Debra's issues are except that she disagreed with me about my opinons about how the Disney show went and from there we were off to the races. I personally don't care how either of you feel about the IPT as long as you frame your points in the form of your opinions or you are ready to back up your statements of fact with actual proof. I make sure that anything I state as fact is provable or I make sure it is clear that I am speculating. Is that really so hard to understand?
Beyond that, it is incredibly rude and offensive to presume someone's education and intellectual level just because you assume that you have more degrees in a particular field of study. Much more so than any sexual innuendo done in a tit-for-tat patter.
Think about it for a while.
John
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onepocketchump
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Craig Fales said:
That's right, but it wasn't always this way. Both Tennis and Golf struggled through early years of development.
The question then becomes can pool have the draw that tennis or golf does?
Judging from the history of the sport when the best players were stars and their expoits followed internationally I'd say that it's possible. However, in an era where the competition for attention is so high, I would say that it is going to be tough to make a relatively static sport popular with viewers. And then, there is poker.
Pool does have a base though. The leagues do provide a demographic of habitual players that can perhaps be built on. Beyond that it is well documented that millions of people like to live vicariously through sports that they don't actually play. So, if Kevin can get the characters on TV and make the drama real then he has a chance. What it will cost is truly beyond me.
I hope for the player's sakes that everything is going to go as promised. I am skeptical at this point, mostly because of how opaque the IPT is. Not that they have any obligation to be transparent to us.
John
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straybullet said:Oh wow, John... you win. You're so correct! How can I ever have allowed myself to lose such a silly debate to an ignoramous with a whacked out flow-bee haircut? Oh the shame... the shame... the shame!!!!!!!!
Stick a sock in it, Mr. OnePocketChumpsters... when the facts come out you will know even less than you do right now (if that's possible). You dont debate the issues, you just like acting like a bully.Ive seen you, Barton. Body by Budweiser. I wouldn't talk tougher than what I wuzzz if I were you.
Back to the issue....
THERE WAS NO BUSINESS PLAN.
You don't know this.
The only plan was to:
a) start this thing off
Which was done in grand style.
b) run it into debt
Which you still don't know if there is any. If Kevin self financed it then there is possibly no debt, And even if there is then it is between Kevin(the IPT) and his creditors. You still don't know if there is debt much less if the plan was to run it into debt. Which would be quite silly by the way from a financial standpoint of building a business to sell.
c) sell it or close it down
Again, you don't know this. Just please admit that such statements are purely guesses. I am not even sure you can quote much precedent for this view. You are acting like this is some colossal shell game to dump the IPT for more than it is worth. Well, if BJ's claims about Stanley Ho are true then he's playing that game with the wrong man. So which is it? As much as you both dislike KT do you really belive he is stupid enough to cross a dangerous gangster?
That is the only plan KT had. Profitability might change if and when the new ownership purchases the IPT. The way its going now, it will continue to accrue more debt with every event. For now, the IPT is not a profitable business venture for Mr. Trudeau (by design). I think many people were smart enough to figure that out on their own, too bad you weren't capable of coming to the same conclusion.
I am not capable of coming to the same conclusion you have because I don't have enough information to get me anywhere close to such a supposition. I am not going to look it up but I'll bet that these speculations of yours only began to appear when the story of slow pay came out. I doubt that there is any post of yours touting this insidious and diabolical act of financial treachery before this. If there were any then you had even less to base it on then.
As for the link on Angel Investing; What conclusion are your trying to draw here? If you really want to make a case for investing just to puff up and drop then try Venture Capital or even Vulture Capital as search terms to explain the practice. As a rule of thumb though it is understood that the majority of investment is done with the idea of a good return but with no guarantee of such.
And I do apologize for insulting you. I wish you could debate me by actually answering the questions I pose as I try to do with you. And I wish you could do it without being condescending. If you could it would be easier for me to be my essentially peaceful self when dealing with you. Perversely, I do get a small measure of joy out of being able to insult you into aquiescence, mostly because of your tone and your aggression. It's a bad habit I should try to change. Meeting your aggression with anger gets us no where in the end.
Well, with that I'll bid you a peaceful afternoon.
John
NYC cue dude
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onepocketchump said:
Thank You John. Regardless of history, ultimately we are responsible for our own writings, and therefore we must keep it clean, free from profanity and vulgarity. This is just pool afterall...........