Dennis Orcollo contract

shinobi

kanadajindayo
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do people care that French Orcullo and Shane were setting everyone up and there was no money in the middle just them using that to sell the match and make a score rom the door and PPV

very shady business to me and I will be staying well clear of them in future.

I know, right? Think of the 200 or 300 dollars they could have chopped up if this match had run its course.
 

Daryle

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So OP'er (JF) are you disputing DO version - that you lied to him when presenting this contract? His version is that he was only signing to split royalties from DVD sales. You announced this at the Ko match, if I remember correctly.

We know you are misleading the public about the amounts in the money games, so why not believe DO version!


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lost

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Seedy businesses deals/contracts around pool halls.....such a shock. What is his other business? Managing strippers?
 

Baby Huey

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I know two guys who can remedy the contract situation very quickly. They are Don Vito and Lucca Brassi.
 

kagewest

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This looks like the agreement Colonel Parker had with Elvis. Of course they both got rich, VERY rich! I cannot believe Dennis actually signed this. There is no question he did not understand what he was signing and was coerced to sign it. Dennis was entitled to representation and if French were acting in good faith he would have made sure Dennis had counsel.

I won't tell you what I would like to do after reading this piece of garbage designed to bilk a good friend of mine. If French does attempt to take Dennis to court I will make sure he has good legal assistance. It may not end well for French, as fraud and manipulation are not held in high regard in the legal system.

No lawyer in the world will win with that argument and there is no fraud comitted. Unless the signing was recorded and there is evidence of a voidable contract it's all hear say. My word against yours the contract will be valid and enforceable.
 

JoeyInCali

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No lawyer in the world will win with that argument and there is no fraud comited. Unless the signing was recorded and there is evidence of a voidable contract it's all hear say. My word against yours the contract will be valid and enforceable.

It will be voided if DO can show French failed in his fiduciary duties .
Looks like he did already in the Ko match .
 

JoeyInCali

Maker of Joey Bautista Cues
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His daughter is WEALTHY!

Only after Elvis and Parker died.
Jay, Elvis was robbed blind by Parker . Worse, Parker had no passport and Elviw never went overseas to perform. He missed out on millions.
Elvis was huge all over the world .

Priscilla and Lisa Marie sued the Colonel after Elvis's death.
 

HawaiianEye

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Off with both of their heads!

Let's settle this with a cage match between the two.

I'll promote it and provide the stream. Winner takes all. $500 a seat. Stream for $100 an hour. If it doesn't last an hour, too bad.
 

PhilosopherKing

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Off with both of their heads!

Let's settle this with a cage match between the two.

I'll promote it and provide the stream. Winner takes all. $500 a seat. Stream for $100 an hour. If it doesn't last an hour, too bad.

There aren't many people in this world that can fight for 10 minutes let alone an hour.
 

Perk

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If I were in DO's shoes, I would get a lawyer and file a Defamation of Character case against Mr French. Would be easy to do especially as quick as folks were to bash Dennis initially. Also based on the multitude of threads it would appear that folks are going to be hesitant when it comes to future PPVs/matches etc which will impact the bottom line of the top players DO included.

~Perk
 

Johnnyt

Burn all jump cues
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Then the top players need to show some balls and NOT be part of any PPV that's not on the level. Not just players shoot themselves in the foot, streamers and promoters do too. They ALL better fix this before they can't and pool PPV will be history. We can find much better things to do with our money. Johnnyt
 

alstl

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It will be voided if DO can show French failed in his fiduciary duties .
Looks like he did already in the Ko match .

Did French tell viewers who paid for the steam the match was for a large sum of money when in reality the only money was from people who paid for the stream? If true that sounds like fraud. Did viewers from multiple states pay for the stream? If true that sound like the feds.

Mr French - free advice - drop the whole thing, apologize to everybody involved and get on your knees and thank Jesus if this whole thing goes away.
 

robsnotes4u

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Did French tell viewers who paid for the steam the match was for a large sum of money when in reality the only money was from people who paid for the stream? If true that sounds like fraud. Did viewers from multiple states pay for the stream? If true that sound like the feds.



Mr French - free advice - drop the whole thing, apologize to everybody involved and get on your knees and thank Jesus if this whole thing goes away.


Fraud? What is the damage or loss? The product is the two gentlemen playing. All of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.


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spartan

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Did French tell viewers who paid for the steam the match was for a large sum of money when in reality the only money was from people who paid for the stream? If true that sounds like fraud. Did viewers from multiple states pay for the stream? If true that sound like the feds.

Mr French - free advice - drop the whole thing, apologize to everybody involved and get on your knees and thank Jesus if this whole thing goes away.

Get French for fraud on the match? There is lot of "he said he said" plus it involves gambling that you do not want to bring in the authorities on this .
That is also the least of French's problems. Because what may get him for fraud is his contract with Dennis. That may get him in trouble with law. NOT his bad commentary, not his lies here and there , not his actions on the Dennis/ Ko or Dennis/Shane match .

That contract was signed long time ago in Oct2015 when there was no bad blood between him and Dennis . He also then subsequently verbally signed up a bunch of top players and if he also will get them to sign same contract , it may amount to a grand scheme to defraud , cheat and rip off these players with totally one sided draconian contract- which essentially says that he will get 50% of players total earnings for doing nothing . Much like slavery/ human trafficking contracts. This involves players all over world across many states and is the type of case that Fed can snowball into humungous case .
Maybe that is why the OP , French removed contract in the 1st post of this thread
His only hope is that the authorities are too busy to look into such small fry case or have no idea what pool is.
:grin:
 

alstl

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Fraud? What is the damage or loss? The product is the two gentlemen playing. All of you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.


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A case could be made people paid to watch a couple guys practice.

Kind of like promoting a football game as the super bowl and getting a scrimmage.
 

alstl

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Get French for fraud on the match? There is lot of "he said he said" plus it involves gambling that you do not want to bring in the authorities on this .
That is also the least of French's problems. Because what may get him for fraud is his contract with Dennis. That may get him in trouble with law. NOT his bad commentary, not his lies here and there , not his actions on the Dennis/ Ko or Dennis/Shane match .

That contract was signed long time ago in Oct2015 when there was no bad blood between him and Dennis . He also then subsequently verbally signed up a bunch of top players and if he also will get them to sign same contract , it may amount to a grand scheme to defraud , cheat and rip off these players with totally one sided draconian contract- which essentially says that he will get 50% of players total earnings for doing nothing . Much like slavery/ human trafficking contracts. This involves players all over world across many states and is the type of case that Fed can snowball into humungous case .
Maybe that is why the OP , French removed contract in the 1st post of this thread
His only hope is that the authorities are too busy to look into such small fry case or have no idea what pool is.
:grin:

I agree and my point was I think French has more to lose by trying to hold Orcollo to the "contract" than gain. If i was him I'd be glad to slip quietly away and forgotten.
 

Johnnyt

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I know two guys who can remedy the contract situation very quickly. They are Don Vito and Lucca Brassi.

They could run the pool in the U.S. better than anyone in it now. Their rules WOULD be followed. I'd rather see them take there bite out of it than 10 or more seedy scavenges all taking their bites. Johnnyt
 

Ak Guy

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Wow!

I am amazed at the interest this Dennis/French contract has generated. This is America and contracts are signed every day and they are renegotiated every day in almost all the sporting venues.

Dennis is a big boy and he can get a lawyer if he thinks he has been wronged. Go to another country and sign a contract that you later decide is not beneficial to you and see how many in that country get on the internet and start screaming you were screwed.

I hate to see any one taken advantage of, but dang, I thought at a certain age we all run on "big boy rules". We all know "hustlers" hang around the pool community and Dennis knows that.

I :confused:think professional players of any sport should take responsibility for their own actions. But maybe that is an old and out dated concept.

Get an attorney Dennis, get an attorney, get an attorney, etc.
 
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