Dennis Orcullo banned from USA for five years

[kanzzo]

Had to think of Elizabeth Gilbert. One of the best authors I had a pleasure to read. Was crazy successful with “Eat, pray, love”. I enjoyed the book so read also the “sequel”. Both books are very autobiographic.

In the first, on her travels in Indonesia she meets the love of her life "Felipe", the Brazilian-born man of Australian citizenship. The couple swore their love for each other, but also swore never to get married again after they both had bitter divorces.

So this is from the book.

"Ma'am," he said, "we've brought you back here to explain that we will not be allowing your boyfriend to enter the United States anymore. We'll be detaining him in jail until we can get him on a flight out of the country, back to Australia, since he does have an Australian passport. After that, he won't be able to come back to America again."
…
"On what grounds are you deporting him?" I asked the Homeland Security officer, trying to sound authoritative.

"Strictly speaking, ma'am, it's not a deportation." Unlike me, the officer didn't have to try sounding authoritative; it came naturally. "We're just refusing him entrance to the United States on the grounds that he's been visiting America too frequently in the last year. He's never overstayed his visa limits, but it does appear from all his comings and goings that he's been living with you in Philadelphia for three-month periods and then leaving the country, only to return to the United States again immediately after."

This was difficult to argue, since that was precisely what Felipe had been doing.

"Is that a crime?" I asked.

"Not exactly."

"Not exactly, or no?"

"No, ma'am, it's not a crime. That's why we won't be arresting him. But the three-month visa waiver that the United States government offers to citizens of friendly countries is not intended for indefinite consecutive visits."

"But we didn't know that," I said.

Felipe stepped in now. "In fact, sir, we were once told by an immigration officer in New York that I could visit the United States as often as I liked, as long as I never overstayed my ninety-day visa."

"I don't know who told you that, but it isn't true."

Hearing the officer say this reminded me of a warning Felipe had given me once about international border crossings: "Never take it lightly, darling. Always remember that on any given day, for any given reason whatsoever, any given border guard in the world can decide that he does not want to let you in."

 

[garczar]

Had to think of Elizabeth Gilbert. One of the best authors I had a pleasure to read. Was crazy successful with “Eat, pray, love”. I enjoyed the book so read also the “sequel”. Both books are very autobiographic.

In the first, on her travels in Indonesia she meets the love of her life "Felipe", the Brazilian-born man of Australian citizenship. The couple swore their love for each other, but also swore never to get married again after they both had bitter divorces.

So this is from the book.

"Ma'am," he said, "we've brought you back here to explain that we will not be allowing your boyfriend to enter the United States anymore. We'll be detaining him in jail until we can get him on a flight out of the country, back to Australia, since he does have an Australian passport. After that, he won't be able to come back to America again."
…
"On what grounds are you deporting him?" I asked the Homeland Security officer, trying to sound authoritative.

"Strictly speaking, ma'am, it's not a deportation." Unlike me, the officer didn't have to try sounding authoritative; it came naturally. "We're just refusing him entrance to the United States on the grounds that he's been visiting America too frequently in the last year. He's never overstayed his visa limits, but it does appear from all his comings and goings that he's been living with you in Philadelphia for three-month periods and then leaving the country, only to return to the United States again immediately after."

This was difficult to argue, since that was precisely what Felipe had been doing.

"Is that a crime?" I asked.

"Not exactly."

"Not exactly, or no?"

"No, ma'am, it's not a crime. That's why we won't be arresting him. But the three-month visa waiver that the United States government offers to citizens of friendly countries is not intended for indefinite consecutive visits."

"But we didn't know that," I said.

Felipe stepped in now. "In fact, sir, we were once told by an immigration officer in New York that I could visit the United States as often as I liked, as long as I never overstayed my ninety-day visa."

"I don't know who told you that, but it isn't true."

Hearing the officer say this reminded me of a warning Felipe had given me once about international border crossings: "Never take it lightly, darling. Always remember that on any given day, for any given reason whatsoever, any given border guard in the world can decide that he does not want to let you in."

Did Felipe play pool for a living?

 

[kanzzo]

Did Felipe play pool for a living?

You already proved your inability for any form of civilized discussion and I did get your point of view and all the arguments you were able to come up:

Travel visa laws are simple. Dennis should have known better. His penalty is fair. Anything that happened here he brought on himself.

So just ignore my posts, you are not the target audience. You didn’t get any of my posts so far (except where I made fun of you) so I don’t expect any change in the future.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

You already proved your inability for any form of civilized discussion and I did get your point of view and all the arguments you were able to come up:

Travel visa laws are simple. Dennis should have known better. His penalty is fair. Anything that happened here he brought on himself.

So just ignore my posts, you are not the target audience. You didn’t get any of my posts so far (except where I made fun of you) so I don’t expect any change in the future.

Well your post makes perfect sense, and if it was not so poor player who is forced to travel to support his family most people would not care. The hot button is the guy apprently is a great pool player. Not apprently great keep track of Visa's, etc.

But none of those facts make him exempt from the rules and regulation a guest in the USA, or Legal resident, or citizens must follow. If in life, your in your home town, local county, state of residence, or any where in the World there are rules, and regulations, that if you break, get caught you are subject to punishment.

I hear people who I call bleed heart feel sorry for someone from the south of the US international boarded who comes to the USA ileagally. The argument is they are only looking for a better life, if that is true, do it legally and be welcome.

I have also mentioned to the bleed hearts, if you feel so sorry sponsor someone. None I know of do not want to get that involved.

Those who really feel sorry for Dennis, his potential legal bills, PM Jay Helfert, I am sure if it a couple of bucks, or more you wish to contribute, Jay has a way to take the donations, and put it in Dennis's Legal War Chest.

 

[7stud]

...and in other immigration news:

Reaction to Novak Djokovic's canceled visa in Australia

— Rafael Nadal, who is tied with Djokovic and Roger Federer with 20 Grand Slam singles titles. “If he had a fair exemption from the rule, well, he should be here; if he didn’t, he shouldn’t be here.”

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Djokovic had flown to Melbourne after gleefully announcing on Tuesday he had been granted a medical exemption from having to be vaccinated against coronavirus to play at the first grand slam of the year.

But triumph turned to disaster for the vaccine sceptic after he was detained for nine hours amid claims he had sought to gain entry to Australia using invalid documents before being told he would be deported.

In what has become a major diplomatic incident, Djokovic took immediate steps to overturn the decision and, at a hearing on Thursday, the Federal Circuit Court ordered it be put on hold.

A failure to win his legal battle could see Djokovic banned from Australia for three years, a punishment that can be imposed on those whose visas are cancelled.

Djokovic to remain in visa limbo until Monday

Novak Djokovic faces more time in immigration detention as the nine-time champion's Australian Open fate remains in legal limbo following the adjournment of his court case against deportation.

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After a long-haul flight, Djokovic spent the night trying to convince the authorities he had all the necessary documentation, but the Australian Border Force issued a statement saying he failed to meet entry requirements.

"The rule is very clear," Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison said. "You need to have a medical exemption. He didn't have a valid medical exemption. We make the call at the border, and that's where it's enforced."

Health Minister Greg Hunt said the visa cancellation followed a review of Djokovic's medical exemption by border officials who looked "at the integrity and the evidence behind it."

 

[j2pac]

I guess he’ll just have to walk over and cross at the Mexican border…

Hopefully he will leave his BRANDON shirt at home.

 

[j2pac]

And you actually thought that suggestion was a serious one?
He's going to hire a lawyer who's going to grease someone inside the INS and he'll be here way before that 5-yr penalty is up.

All you had to do was say so.

 

[David in FL]

Hopefully he will leave his BRANDON shirt at home.

Brandon won’t know the difference.

 

[Black-Balled]

First, I support liberty for every Person on the planet.

Second, when one goes anywhere, he is responsible for his actions and his own welfare.

That's it.



Jeff Livingston

Sorry, humans can't handle the free-for-all utopia you suggest.

 

[chefjeff]

Sorry, humans can't handle the free-for-all utopia you suggest.

I don't suggest that and have made that case right here.

So, you are FOR the use of violence then to get your shit? There are only two choices.


Jeff Livingston

 

[westcoast]

Considering all of the talented pro pool players they have in the Philippines, why don't they have more tournaments?

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Considering all of the talented pro pool players they have in the Philippines, why don't they have more tournaments?

Phillipines is as I poor country, people do not make as huge wages.


Sponsors do not have money to spend supporting sports like USA, Uk, and other places.

Sure Philippines will never host Olympics because they do not have money to build infrastructure nessessary.

 

[garczar]

You already proved your inability for any form of civilized discussion and I did get your point of view and all the arguments you were able to come up:

Travel visa laws are simple. Dennis should have known better. His penalty is fair. Anything that happened here he brought on himself.

So just ignore my posts, you are not the target audience. You didn’t get any of my posts so far (except where I made fun of you) so I don’t expect any change in the future.

I got everything you said pal. Seriously, do you really think anything you say means squat to me? If so you're delusional. BTW, i don't have any animosity towards DO. He just happened to be the one caught up in this. If it would have been any other int'l player i'd have said same thing about them. They messed up and joined the rest of the 1.5% of visa users that get into trouble. Laws can't be too complicated if 98%+ of visa users have no issues.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

I got everything you said pal. Seriously, do you really think anything you say means squat to me? If so you're delusional. BTW, i don't have any animosity towards DO. He just happened to be the one caught up in this. If it would have been any other int'l player i'd have said same thing about them. They messed up and joined the rest of the 1.5% of visa users that get into trouble. Laws can't be too complicated if 98%+ of visa users have no issues.

Truth about most Visa users have no problems.

 

[kanzzo]

Truth about most Visa users have no problems.

and what is the percentage of people visiting US on a Visa once for a few weeks on holidays? Also 98%+? Nobody in their right mind would violate US Visa restrictions for the same reason nobody in their right mind would steal in Nazi Germany. Immigration officers on American borders are probably the most intimidating in the world. At least this is my travel experience.

You are allowed to stay unlimited numbers of 6 month periods in Asia as long as you leave for one day in between. And if you overstay your visa the penalty is less than 100$. In Europe there are no borders and no Imigration officers. I can travel to something like 90 countries and stay there as long as I wish...

My example with Elizabeth Gilbert showed, that even very high educated American people can get to the same kind of trouble with Homeland Security and it's obiously the law and it obviously applies to everyone travelling to this country. But it's a horrible exprerience and while some people are trying to help Dennis there is absolutely no need to repeat: you brought it onto yourself. You should have known better. It may even be true, but he had an horrible experience and there is no need to rub it in some more.

(He spends the night in his cell, he is not allowed to speak with his friend, he gets deported back to Phillipines.)

If some crazy guy drives his truck into a peacefull demonstration to kill dozen people he gets arrested and spends first night in a cell. For this first night it's the same treatment, if you violate some visa rules no normal people from other parts of the world would ever think of. So give him some slack. We did get your opinion that rules are same for everyone and he got what he deserves.

My main point entering the discussion was, it's a weak and dangerous* argument to say, it's a fair treatment just because it's a law. You don't like my example from Nazi Germany. Well it's difficult to get examples from modern civilized countries since these countries try to make their laws fair.

But there are multiple examples of laws in history, that we now consider wrong. And some people even did consider them wrong, while the laws did apply. Like getting 20 years of prison for having homosexual intercourse with a man. Or stone a women for infidelity (with no penalty for the man since it's the women that seduced him). Or prison for having a joint on you. Or critisizining the head of state...


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* it's dangerous because it clears the way for unfair laws and may clear the way for new versions of Nazi Germany

 

[stevelomako]

Truth about most Visa users have no problems.

If Dennis would have just stuck with Mastercard.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

If Dennis would have just stuck with Mastercard.

Actually the thing is with Mastercard, Visa they don’t mean much.

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[buckshotshoey]

and what is the percentage of people visiting US on a Visa once for a few weeks on holidays? Also 98%+? Nobody in their right mind would violate US Visa restrictions for the same reason nobody in their right mind would steal in Nazi Germany. Immigration officers on American borders are probably the most intimidating in the world. At least this is my travel experience.

You are allowed to stay unlimited numbers of 6 month periods in Asia as long as you leave for one day in between. And if you overstay your visa the penalty is less than 100$. In Europe there are no borders and no Imigration officers. I can travel to something like 90 countries and stay there as long as I wish...

My example with Elizabeth Gilbert showed, that even very high educated American people can get to the same kind of trouble with Homeland Security and it's obiously the law and it obviously applies to everyone travelling to this country. But it's a horrible exprerience and while some people are trying to help Dennis there is absolutely no need to repeat: you brought it onto yourself. You should have known better. It may even be true, but he had an horrible experience and there is no need to rub it in some more.

(He spends the night in his cell, he is not allowed to speak with his friend, he gets deported back to Phillipines.)

If some crazy guy drives his truck into a peacefull demonstration to kill dozen people he gets arrested and spends first night in a cell. For this first night it's the same treatment, if you violate some visa rules no normal people from other parts of the world would ever think of. So give him some slack. We did get your opinion that rules are same for everyone and he got what he deserves.

My main point entering the discussion was, it's a weak and dangerous* argument to say, it's a fair treatment just because it's a law. You don't like my example from Nazi Germany. Well it's difficult to get examples from modern civilized countries since these countries try to make their laws fair.

But there are multiple examples of laws in history, that we now consider wrong. And some people even did consider them wrong, while the laws did apply. Like getting 20 years of prison for having homosexual intercourse with a man. Or stone a women for infidelity (with no penalty for the man since it's the women that seduced him). Or prison for having a joint on you. Or critisizining the head of state...


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* it's dangerous because it clears the way for unfair laws and may clear the way for new versions of Nazi Germany

Just because the law is wrong, immoral, or just plain stupid, doesn't give you the right to break it just because you don't like it. Get the law changed!

 

[kanzzo]

Just because the law is wrong, immoral, or just plain stupid, doesn't give you the right to break it just because you don't like it. Get the law changed!

Never said he has the right to break it. No one in the thread did.

Sometimes people, who made the laws just made mistakes, because they were just people. Its the right and duty of people in a democratic society to spot such unfair laws and try to change the legislation.

But that it's good practice to spot unfair laws and try to change the legislation

... it's a horrible exprerience and while some people are trying to help Dennis there is absolutely no need to repeat: you brought it onto yourself. You should have known better. It may even be true, but he had an horrible experience and there is no need to rub it in some more.

(He spends the night in his cell, he is not allowed to speak with his friend, he gets deported back to Phillipines.)

If some crazy guy drives his truck into a peacefull demonstration to kill dozen people he gets arrested and spends first night in a cell. For this first night it's the same treatment, if you violate some visa rules no normal people from other parts of the world would ever think of. So give him some slack. We did get your opinion that rules are same for everyone and he got what he deserves.

He was treated more like a criminal than as someone who happened to violate a visa law no normal people from other parts of the world (or successful american authors like Elizabeth Gilbert, or most people in this thread including garczar) would ever think of. Never endangering or bringing harm to anyone.

This thread is obviosly helpful in that it makes other pool players aware of such regulations and helps prevent such problems with Homeland Security in the future.

Dennis deserves some compassion for having a hard time instead of repeating "rules are rules".

 

[kanzzo]

Just because the law is wrong, immoral, or just plain stupid, doesn't give you the right to break it just because you don't like it. Get the law changed!

for a wrong or immoral law you obviously don't have the legal right to break it (since the law defines what is legally right) but it would be a moral right thing to do

anyone hiding Jewish people from Nazis did break the law and is now considered a hero