Well put, many league players in my town, although I dont know them all, have never attended the DCC or any professional type of event. This really is a shame.iba7467 said:
Derby City Classic 2009
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JCIN said:I have heard that there is an understanding with the casino about the action. Look at it this way. Greg is going to sell out their hotel for 9 days in a historically dead time of year for them. The economy is in the dumper and I am sure they like the idea of a hotel full of gamblers. I doubt they are going to queer the deal over guys matching up in the practice room.
You can't flip quarters, throw dice, or roll Keno at the Derby either in a big loud group of people. It always has gotten broken up eventually by either staff or the cops. There is an action pit in Vegas at the BCA that has seen some solid matches as well as the Sands in Reno. The casino's don't say a word about the action. Hell we streamed action LIVE from the Riv and the Sands and never heard a peep.
I was and still am against having events in casinos because they do have an effect on the action but at the same time I realize that an event at a casino beats the hell out of no event at all. Greg is a smart guy, he built the Derby. He knows what people love about it and why they come. He wouldn't make a deal that cuts out one of his passions and the reason many come in the first place.
The upside of doing it at Caesar's is that the food will be better by a factor of 100, the rooms will be much nicer and overall the event will take on a new look and have that new car smellI will sorely miss the Booze Sellar, The Chapel and the Action Room but I am sure there will be new legends and memories made.
Let's give him a chance to tell us the final details before we start with the gloom and doom. I don't care if he holds the Derby at a rest stop on I-64 in a blizzard. I am going to be there.
Ceasars aint the Sands or the Riv(2 old dumps). Ceasars runs a tight ship.
Thats my point exactly! Maybe now that its in a casino those people may actually go.iba7467 said:
$TAKE HOR$E said:
Ask Watchez what happened in St. Louis when they started building casinos on every exit. I can think of 5 or 6 in about a 50 mile radius there. However, it only took 1 to kill the action and bust the pool players. Can you elaborate Watchez?
I live in northern Kentucky and have been to every DCC so far and have seen its growth. I heard that the Executive West was the ones that did not want the DCC back, why they would want to wipe there hands with this tourament I cant figure out because if you did not reserve a room ahead of time it was hard to get one. Maybe they got tired of selling out there rooms for 9 straight days.
Fatboy said:
Yes, yes they do. I did some of the archaeology before caesars was built(it was required by federal law as their building location negatively impacted several archaeological sites.) I'll just say the Caesars project is a legend in contract archaeology... Needless to say from working the Caesars Project, and the Argosy project(a riverboat casino in the OH/IN/KY region) I will not be working on any more projects where the client is a casino. :grin-square:
Perhaps Caesars will become a legend in the world of pool as well... hopefully, in a more positive way.
Back to the league players, I know a lot of them APA league players that go to Vegas and blow thousands on them gaffed up card games that only the house wins in the end but wouldnt bet $5 on a fair game of pool. You never know, this might create a new crowd at the DCC. The leaguers might get that monkey on there back and decide to go because of the draw of the casino. haha
$TAKE HOR$E said:
Yeah, unfortunately I know the type....although they might get sporty and bet the $5, if they're positive they're at least 2 speeds better than the other guy.
JCIN said:
What does Indiana State Law say about this type of betting. I lived in Anderson Indiana in the 70's 1 years, and they have some very very strange laws.
take out loans
This is sad to say, but some league players even have taken out loans in the past. I heard a rumor about some folks locally that borrowed $5,000 to go to Vegas, only to come home with 5 cents.
$TAKE HOR$E said:
This is sad to say, but some league players even have taken out loans in the past. I heard a rumor about some folks locally that borrowed $5,000 to go to Vegas, only to come home with 5 cents.
No clue. I am not a lawyer in Indiana.CocoboloCowboy said:
What the book says and what gets enforced are two very different things. If I told you that you would see poker tables in bars all over the country 10 years ago you would of told me I was nuts. As long as people have some sense I doubt there will be a problem.
Justin...I'll take a piece of that. Of course, I want my piece on YOUR end (as I agree with you)!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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JCIN said:
Good post, Chris. You made some thoughtful points. My take is similar to yours.chris_williams said:
In my view, pool and casino gambling have two distinctly different sets of circumstances. When casino gambling comes to a town, it eventually kills a lot of the pool gambling action. However, when pool comes to a casino I don't believe it has that much effect on back room action. Look at it this way: the majority of pool players will be coming to the DCC to play, watch, and bet pool. The people who are drawn to a tournament simply because of the availability of casino gambling are probably not participating players.
A poster mentioned Grady's Gulf Coast Classic held at the Grand Casino (Event Center) in Gulfport, Miss. The event was well attended for the first year, of what was planned to be an annual event. However the hotel/casino did not want the event for the following year because there was not enough gambling in the casino by the poolplayers!!
So I wouldn't be too concerned about that issue.
Doc
JCIN said:
Your point is a very good one.
The Executive West, and several other Louisville hotels were sold to a new owner last year. That might have had something to do with it.
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
Scott Lee
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gwk9ball said: