Derby City Favortism...

Stick around and post whatever you want. If your skin isn't thick enough to sweat the dipshits that frequent every forum with more than 100 members, might want to avoid the internet.

Wybrook, you don't have to defend yourself. You stated your side of things well. If everything you said is true, and you've never given reason to doubt what you said, JA should have been forfeited the second his grace period was up according to the rules EVERYONE AGREED UPON IN THE MEETING.

JA showed his ass playing Ronnie Wiseman in 2008. If you're secure in your morals, situations like that (and this thread) don't happen. He may be a holy angel in the world of pool players, but in the grand scheme (beyond pool players) where it matters, he lost all my respect.
 
Sweat this..... you apparently cannot play pool and you have poor reading comprehension.

How come I end up defending myself every time I post something on this forum?

Look at it this way....when your ''in'' a pool room there are people you enjoy being around and there are those you've met and don't want to be around and there are those you don't even want to meet. Those making senseless comments and opinionated remarks are the one's you at best acknowledge and walk on by and others you just ignore, just pretend your in a pool room and you'll be fine.
 
How come I end up defending myself every time I post something on this forum?

Because just like anything else in life that involves a mass of people, you have a percentage of them that are just plain 'ol peckerheads :sorry:.

FWIW, it seems like the majority of posters are in your corner. I am, and if there was ANY doubt in my mind (which there wasn't) about it, it was erased after reading Fatboy's first post where he admitted it was really nobody's fault but JA's.

Once again, rules are rules and they should apply to ALL participants. JA has always been one of my favorite players, but I've lost a little respect for him for NOT forfeiting himself. He knows the rules and would have expected a forfeit if the shoe had been on the other foot, I'm pretty sure.

You got a raw deal that took $$$ out of your pocket.

Maniac
 
Nice post Tom

I had to wait 45 minutes for my 1 pocket match, but that was because my opponent was still in the banks and playing a match. That is the only reason someone should be given extra time. I know and like Adam, he is a good guy. He did not come to the Derby to play the stars, he came to win some prize money. He is very capable of going deep in this tourny, it is all about the draws. The TD should have forfeited the match and gave it to Adam. This gives the Derby a black eye IMO, will I stop going to the Derby, no way, I have been to 11 of them and this will not change. Tom

When it's all done at the end of the day, this is the best event in pool. Multiple events, with the best players, and a staff that is top of the line. Everyone involved is friendly, and geared toward making this a great tourney. No matter where you go, there will always be a problem of some sort. It's unfortunate this situation came up, just as others in the past. Hopefully, it will be handled differently next time.
 
Or maybe I'm right?

Do I think Johnny should have ended up forfeiting? Yes

Do I think the original poster would have been less upset if he was forced to play a pushover instead of world champion? Yes

Do I think this post would have happened if the original poster would still be mad enough to make this post if he would have won? No

The original poster saw he drew Johnny that round and I'm sure had a sigh of relief when the forfeit was a lock. Then when they gotta end up playing, they have even less of a chance than they would have to begin with because mentally, they feel they already won.

Your making some assumptions here that Adam has very little chance of winning. You dont get to round 7 by being weak. Adam could very well have won that race to 7 but like ANY other player he had to be focused and ready. Hard to be that way when you rightfully believe you just got cornholioed by the TD.
 
When it's all done at the end of the day, this is the best event in pool. Multiple events, with the best players, and a staff that is top of the line. Everyone involved is friendly, and geared toward making this a great tourney. No matter where you go, there will always be a problem of some sort. It's unfortunate this situation came up, just as others in the past. Hopefully, it will be handled differently next time.

This is the best event in pool... and the whole week, everything was great and the td's ran things well. I had no problem with anything until the last day. I am most likely going to this event every year until it is no longer, and I understand the issues that arise in running events of this size. (which is why following established rules is paramount)

On a side note, no one gave me any explaination as to why there was no forfeit.... nothing even to passify me in the least.
 
Sweat this...

Its the first round of the banks.. Match is to be played at like 330 or something.. TD says, "sir, your opponent is going to be late due to car breaking down." Now the opponent is not on the tour, he does not play professionaly, so why did they give him that opportunity?? Well for one the guy waiting on his opponent has more class than to want to win by forfeit. For two, he drove all this way to play.

The guy that was late ended up being a really nice player from Michigan, he apologized for his tardinesss and the match went on.

Be honest with yourself, had you beat JA even after he was 30-40min late, this thread would be non-existent... IMO or rather my hypothesis is YOUR A NIT who wanted to win by forfeit bc JA scared the tar outta you..:grin:

This was round 7 of nineball. 90% of the field had been eliminated. This wasnt a case of first round charity as you described it and it certainly is not a nit move to demand equal treatment, especially at this deep stage of the tournament, well into the money rounds. Your hanging from archers nuts, try moving away from them to get a better perspective of things.
 
Sweat this..... you apparently cannot play pool and you have poor reading comprehension.

How come I end up defending myself every time I post something on this forum?

Don't sweat it.
Anyone who knows what is up, knows that you got robbed by the system, regardless of your ability.

Everyone's got an opinion, but that doesn't mean they actually have any idea what they are talking about.
 
Everyone's got an opinion, but that doesn't mean they actually have any idea what they are talking about.[/QUOTE]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL..........................actually giggling ALLOT :)
 
People who

A. People who follow rules...good
B. People who don't .... Bad
C. People who let bad walk over good...vaginas

Plain and simple. You give the guy a little break if his car got a flat tire coming back from lunch. But to give the guy the amount of time you did and still play...that's on you. Don't cry over spilled milk...
 
This year, we used new software at the DCC for giving the players scheduled match times. For the most part, it worked pretty well. We had a few problems with the hotels computer that fed information to the hotel room TVs. Also, we had numerous power failures that finally resulted in losing the lamp in the projector that was putting the match schedules on the wall in the tournament room.

So, we were lenient when it came to forfeits. This had nothing to do with Johnny Archer or any other name professional player. A couple of times throughout the tournament we rescinded a forfeit when we could clearly prove it was caused by the above computer problems. The rest of the time, we tried to give the players not at the table on time the benefit of the doubt.

Greg Sullivan paid the tournament staff to run the tournament for him. He had nothing to do with the operation of the event. It is his desire that everyone is treated the same. That is why he had the tournament software modified to permit us to have scheduled match times.

Now that we have one Derby City under our belt with the new software and we learned that it worked very well, we will be much more strict about forfeits, regardless of who it is. We are able to provide scheduled match times on a scrolling report on the wall in the main tournament room, outside in the concession area, on the TV in the hotel rooms, and on the Derby City website. So, there should be no reason for anyone to not know when they play.

Coming up with a master tournament schedule for the DCC was very complicated. We had to make some educated guesses about the number of players, the percentage of buybacks, and the time per match. From these assumptions, we created a master tournament schedule. Prior to the tournament we were not sure if we could give players scheduled match times and complete the tournaments on time.

I do not have the details of the situation between Johnny Archer and Adam Wheeler. If I accept Adam Wheeler's account of the situation, then Archer could have been rightfully forfeited from the tournament. However, as a player myself, if my opponent is on the clock I would probably go to the tournament desk and verify that my opponents time was up and that I had indeed won by forfeit. Maybe Adam did this, I am not sure of the entire story.

I apologize to Adam Wheeler if he thought he was treated unfairly. It was not our intention to give any player special treatment. So, the fact that he was supposed to play Johnny Archer had no bearing on the situation.


Sincerely,
Paul Smith
Diamond Billiard Products
Senior Tournament Director

Thank you Paul for this explanation.
Believe me, it is really appreciated.

But with that, please allow me to air my sentiment.
Some things need to be brought to light.

Your explanation doesn't stop the fact that this happens EVERY YEAR in one way, shape, or form.

It shouldn't have anything to do with the technology.
All technology has done is make people lazy and spoiled, and while i understand the the whole reason for the advancements in technology is to make it easier on the players, that does not mean that the players are absolved from their responsibilities.
All the technology has done is give them more potential excuses to justify why they might be late.

Bring back the ping pong balls and the lottery machine from years ago to do the draw and let everyone MAN UP and have to be there in the room to find out when they play.

Back then you had to be in the room at the beginning of the day as they did the draw on the spot to find out when their matches would be, otherwise, you were out of luck.
When they went to computers, and started broadcasting the draw on the venue's tv channel, that just made people lazy.

For someone to be lenient because the technology might not be working is just ridiculous.
It doesn't stop the fact that it's the players responsibility to find out or know when they play. If the technology has issues, they can always go to the tournament desk to find out, like everyone used to do, back in the day.

Years ago when it was at the EWH, i knew several people who stayed off site who had to get up at the crack of dawn to eat and get ready, drive to the venue to see the draw live, and be ready to play, should they have to play in the very first round of the day.
They had to sit there and wait like everyone else for the draw, and that STILL didn't stop a forfeit from not happening, when some "name" who was actually staying at the EWH, didn't show up on time, and everyone started a massive search and rescue operation to find them.

Stop making excuses and start holding people accountable.
It's a players job to find out and be at their match on time, period.
If they can't manage that, forfeit them regardless of who they are.

It will be better for everyone.
 
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A. People who follow rules...good
B. People who don't .... Bad
C. People who let bad walk over good...vaginas

Plain and simple. You give the guy a little break if his car got a flat tire coming back from lunch. But to give the guy the amount of time you did and still play...that's on you. Don't cry over spilled milk...

Honestly? What do you think would have happened if Wheeler refused to play once Johnny arrived?

I'll take the liberty of responding:
There is no do-over. At best he woulda been refunded his entry fee an told to get the fukk out (and don't come back...ever).
 
Thank you Paul for this explanation.
Believe me, it is really appreciated.

But with that, please allow me to air my sentiment.
Some things need to be brought to light.

Your explanation doesn't stop the fact that this happens EVERY YEAR in one way, shape, or form.

It shouldn't have anything to do with the technology.
All technology has done is make people lazy and spoiled, and while i understand the the whole reason for the advancements in technology is to make it easier on the players, that does not mean that the players are absolved from their responsibilities.
All the technology has done is give them more potential excuses to justify why they might be late.

Bring back the ping pong balls and the lottery machine from years ago to do the draw and let everyone MAN UP and have to be there in the room to find out when they play.

Back then you had to be in the room at the beginning of the day as they did the draw on the spot to find out when their matches would be, otherwise, you were out of luck.
When they went to computers, and started broadcasting the draw on the venue's tv channel, that just made people lazy.

For someone to be lenient because the technology might not be working is just ridiculous.
It doesn't stop the fact that it's the players responsibility to find out or know when they play. If the technology has issues, they can always go to the tournament desk to find out, like everyone used to do, back in the day.

Years ago when it was at the EWH, i knew several people who stayed off site who had to get up at the crack of dawn to eat and get ready, drive to the venue to see the draw live, and be ready to play, should they have to play in the very first round of the day.
They had to sit there and wait like everyone else for the draw, and that STILL didn't stop a forfeit from not happening, when some "name" who was actually staying at the EWH, didn't show up on time, and everyone started a massive search and rescue operation to find them.

Stop making excuses and start holding people accountable.
It's a players job to find out and be at their match on time, period.
If they can't manage that, forfeit them regardless of who they are.

It will be better for everyone.

TAP! TAP!. This year it was software problems, Next year it will be something else. Several years ago I was forced to play a match 2 hours after my match was called. I had left the hotel, Went out for a steak dinner, and they were paging me over the PA system when I got back and telling me I had to play. Scott Smith gave me 10 minutes to go to my room, get my cue or forfeit. It worked out, but that's not the point. Had my match not been against a "champion", The forfeit would have been honored. It happens every year.
 
I had to play Johnny Archer in the 7th round of the 9 ball on Saturday at 11:00am. I got there and hit balls early as well as most of the other players and the matches were announced a few minutes after 11. Everyone started their matches except for me.

At 11:10 am, Johnny wasn't there so I went to the tournament desk and advised them and the woman attending to the tournament told me he was on the clock and had 5 minutes.

At 11:20 am I went back to the desk and asked them if it was now a forfeit and what time the next draw was at, since Johnny had not shown up yet. I was told that they didnt have the authority to forfeit him...?

At 11:30 am, Johnny shows up and I am told to play, even though he is a half hour late.

I was a little bothered by this whole episode and it reflected in my game and I henceforth, lost the match. I went and found the tournament director who was not present during the earlier dealings and he said that since he was not present he can't make a decision. I was told to go talk to the "real" head tournament director "Paul Smith", who I looked for and asked for, but he was not around the desk (apparently, just when things like this come up).

I feel a little jaded by this whole situation and wanted to vent a little. There were lots of players forfeited over the tournament, why not this match? The rule was 15 mintutes, as specified in the Player's Meeting and posted on the site. It cost me an extra $300 and possibly more, if I had won the match.

Any thoughts?

Me myself i would of waited until johnny showed up no matter how late he
was,But rules are rules and you have every right to do what you did.
I think that a forfeited should have been called on him unless some one
informed you that he was going to be late and you agreed to wait.
If you have a time to play get your A$$ THERE PERIOD.

I wonder what would happened if you where late and Johnny called
for a forfeited?
 
The end result is no one is going to remember this much except for Adam. Not saying it's right or wrong, but life will go on. The after-effect to the Derby City will be minimal from this event but hopefully it has been noted and next year with the computer system will resolve it.

Personally, this doesn't appear to be much different of a situation than what happens in the sports world. Why was Dominique Wilkins allowed to use four steps to the basket for years? Why is Manu Ginobli allowed to flop and get the offensive foul calls? Why did the QB rules change because Dan Marino was a china doll? Why do NY Yankee pitchers get a huge strike zone? Simple, superstar status and people pay to watch superstars.

Adam definitely deserved an explanation at the very least. Personally, I would have played unless I ended up waiting an hour past the deadline, but I'm easy-going that way. Can't think of the last tournament I played in where everyone was punctual about the clock; it's probably never happened.

But people being late is a pet peeve of mine. There's a hall pass if your age is under 18, but as an adult there really isn't much of an excuse for being late barring emergencies or medical issues. Being late shows a sign of immaturity or disrespect or it is a honest mistake. Regardless, oversleeping doesn't make the cut as a legitimate excuse. Faulty computer system or not, it should still be that player's responsibility to know when they play next or continually checking back in to find out when they do play.
 
The end result is no one is going to remember this much except for Adam. Not saying it's right or wrong, but life will go on. The after-effect to the Derby City will be minimal from this event but hopefully it has been noted and next year with the computer system will resolve it.

Personally, this doesn't appear to be much different of a situation than what happens in the sports world. Why was Dominique Wilkins allowed to use four steps to the basket for years? Why is Manu Ginobli allowed to flop and get the offensive foul calls? Why did the QB rules change because Dan Marino was a china doll? Why do NY Yankee pitchers get a huge strike zone? Simple, superstar status and people pay to watch superstars.

Adam definitely deserved an explanation at the very least. Personally, I would have played unless I ended up waiting an hour past the deadline, but I'm easy-going that way. Can't think of the last tournament I played in where everyone was punctual about the clock; it's probably never happened.

But people being late is a pet peeve of mine. There's a hall pass if your age is under 18, but as an adult there really isn't much of an excuse for being late barring emergencies or medical issues. Being late shows a sign of immaturity or disrespect or it is a honest mistake. Regardless, oversleeping doesn't make the cut as a legitimate excuse. Faulty computer system or not, it should still be that player's responsibility to know when they play next or continually checking back in to find out when they do play.

All the yrs I played/traveled I had two clocks in my room. Mine was battery operated in-case of a power outage, another was the hotels and the third was the wake up call. If I'm going to spend....let me rephrase that, if I'm going to risk $1,000, which includes all that's needed to hopefully win, I'll be damn sure I'll not miss a match, EVER. The only time I have ever missed a match was when a TD lied to me and it was a 600+ mile drive one way and I told him when I left and called the morning before the event started & when I was two hrs out, he still forfeited me and my traveling friend.
 
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