Diamond bar boxes are trash

Cuebuddy said:
Here is what I did.
Watch the Harbor Freight (sucky store) sale flyer for their 1/4" drive torque wrench to go on sale for $9.99. Buy a piece of Taom chalk (sucky chalk). Keep the wrench in your pocket when playing.
Drop the chalk on the floor and it will roll under the middle of the table.

You will need to slither under the Diamond (sucky table) to retrieve it and while you are under there re-torque the rail bolts.

Pro tip...set the torque to 15 ft pounds (180 inch pounds) before hand.:)
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That inchpound torque wrench will make most twenty-two rimfires shoot like target rifles if you know how to tickle things. PM me when you are in the mood to play. One of my last rimfire matches I came in second shooting a borrowed Norinco. Not bad considering I was shooting the unlimited match including a few rail guns. Beat the Norinco's owner with him shooting a rail. Seemed like good politics to give him a couple boxes of the ammo I used. I am plinking with old match ammo these days. I paid six or eight dollars a box for it, same as standard ammo last I looked and my competition days are through.

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MattPoland said:
Diamond is the gold standard in pool. Especially on a bar box.

But…

I’m coming around to this line of thinking. I appreciate that you are more likely to put Simonis on a Diamond than a Valley. And I know Valleys tend to play “on system” for most bank and kick systems and Diamonds can too if you adjust for the bit they come short. But honestly. I have played in bars all across the country. Most Valleys play exactly the same. But every Diamond I play on seems to play wildly differently. Most have fast cloth. They all bank short. But I enter a lot that play weird. Some refuse to take any spin off the rail and some take it like there is no cloth at all. It’s crazy how inconsistent they are out in the wild. In a quality venue they play reasonable but some places I can’t figure them out.
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This is my experience too. I normally play in a room with excellent Diamond bar tables set up perfectly.

Then I go play a tournament at a different place that also has diamond bar tables. Some rails are dead so banks are inconsistent. Some of the rails aren't aligned properly so some of the corner pockets are at a funny angle and are almost trick pockets. If you don't hit them exactly right the shot will bobble in the jaws.

Overall I think Diamonds are the best bar tables. But like you said, if they are not set up right, or for some other reason, they are inconsistent.
 
The thing is, playing on a mediocre Valley is still fun. Any decent player can get around whatever issues pop up. Playing on a Diamond with issues is awful, for all the reasons already discussed in this thread and others.

There's this idea out there that Diamonds are tanks and don't need the same kind of maintenance as other tables. But the fact is that most Diamond barboxes out in the wild are not maintained properly and have problems as a result.
 
jay helfert said:
Diamond "small" tables are the Cadillacs of the field right now, until somone makes something that is comparable. Valley's are the Chevy's!
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I talked to John Stich this past year during the ACS event.
He told me this new generation of Valleys/Panter model....are waaaaaaaay better, and have a unique way of lifting the upper frame work and separating it from the slate for recovering, he also said the factory Finally reconfigured how the top rails attach flush/now with the slate, plus there about 3K less.
 
Island Drive said:
I talked to John Stich this past year during the ACS event.
He told me this new generation of Valleys/Panter model....are waaaaaaaay better, and have a unique way of lifting the upper frame work and separating it from the slate for recovering, he also said the factory Finally reconfigured how the top rails attach flush/now with the slate, plus there about 3K less.
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That would be nice to see.
 
Texas Carom Club said:
If you can next time take a video of the shot so we can get a view of what your talking about
I don’t know how or what kind of shot you’d need 4 rails or more or 6ft for on any bar table
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Cueball 4" in front of the side pocket. 5 ball 6" off the end rail middle diamond. 6 ball 1/2" off the same end rail almost parallel to the 5. Playing rotation.
 
alphadog said:
Cueball 4" in front of the side pocket. 5 ball 6" off the end rail middle diamond. 6 ball 1/2" off the same end rail almost parallel to the 5. Playing rotation.
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Float on the tangent line to bump the 6. You might have to watch for the double kiss off the 6 ball but there are always multiple solutions. Might have to throw the 5 a bit to control the CB. Sometimes you might want to put some mileage on the CB to get onto the 6 like the shot you're describing.

All situational of course. :)
 
boogieman said:
Float on the tangent line to bump the 6. You might have to watch for the double kiss off the 6 ball but there are always multiple solutions. Might have to throw the 5 a bit to control the CB. Sometimes you might want to put some mileage on the CB to get onto the 6 like the shot you're describing.

All situational of course. :)
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It was a 4rail situation.😄
 
alphadog said:
Rail speed is not consistent.
Side pockets are poorly designed.

Why do the boxes play so different then their bigger tables?
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how are the side pockets poorly designed? Because they are tight compared to a valley.
rail speed is always different Depending on many factors. If you’re a good player you adjust. I’ve played in plenty of tournaments where every valley in the room plays different. That’s pool.

Either way no one is making a better 7 foot table then diamond now although I would like to play on the new valley tables that they are making that look and have pockets like a diamond.
 
boogieman said:
I mean this as respectfully as I can: "Git Gud."

If you can't play on a Diamond, you need to work on your game. There's nothing wrong with the tables. Blaming equipment is actively holding your game back. Improvise, overcome, adapt. Pool players who rely on excuses will never reach their top level.


Make sure the rail bolts are properly torqued to 15 ft/lbs.

Again, I mean this respectfully, but past a certain point, this game is like 90% mental. By hating on a table you are actively sabotaging your game. Do you think Mosconi always had perfect conditions when he went around running 100s all over the country in exhibitions?
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I’ve complained because a table is to fast but I’m frustrated with myself for not adjusting to it. Not at the equipment. As long as the table is pretty level and the rails aren’t shot I’ll figure it out.
 
alphadog said:
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I occasionally play at Paddy’s in Coeur d’Alene, their BB Diamonds play faster than the Diamonds at Legacy and the BBs here in New Orleans. I do struggle with the speed but everything else about the tables play great. I’ve played on several BB Diamonds at few other places that play a normal speed. Why the speed difference, I don’t know, probably the cloth.

I just spent two days at Top Hat north of Baltimore, the GC3’s there are crazy ping ball tables, especially the ones in the back room. The one GC4 plays slow. What a piece of shit room. But at least they have room with friendly players and employees.
 
jtompilot said:
I occasionally play at Paddy’s in Coeur d’Alene, their BB Diamonds play faster than the Diamonds at Legacy and the BBs here in New Orleans. I do struggle with the speed but everything else about the tables play great. I’ve played on several BB Diamonds at few other places that play a normal speed. Why the speed difference, I don’t know, probably the cloth.

I just spent two days at Top Hat north of Baltimore, the GC3’s there are crazy ping ball tables, especially the ones in the back room. The one GC4 plays slow. What a piece of shit room. But at least they have room with friendly players and employees.
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They have Walter what more could you want?😁
 
I set the shot up on the 9ft diamond and got around 4 rails.
Set the shot up 4 times on the 7ft never got there.

Both tables have new Simonis on them. The 7ft results were all over so maybe the slick cloth was more a factor then I imagined.
 
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