Diamond Bill's One-Pocket Secret

wayne said:
The obvious safety at this point is to take a foul yourself and leave the cueball where it is and now your opponent can't continue to take fouls if the 3 foul rule is in effect.
Good point. Have to wonder why Wade Crane didn't mention that possibility in the article I saw. Does this render the Bill Cress solution without merit?
 
BillPorter said:
Good point. Have to wonder why Wade Crane didn't mention that possibility in the article I saw. Does this render the Bill Cress solution without merit?

I would say that depends on the score of the game and the caliber of opponent. In the example, the player at the table is in trouble no matter what he does. If you roll out to the spot and the incoming player knows to take a scratch back then you have at least got him needing a couple more balls when this goes back and forth twice.

If he doesnt know to take the scratch then you may actually have the upper hand.

Woody
 
BillPorter said:
That was Diamond Bill's solution! Good job! It leaves your opponent in a tough spot because he has no reasonable offensive play and will have trouble playing you safe because of the position of the 3-ball.

forgive me for not reading the entire thread, but here you could still just skim the one with right and leave him uptable strait in on the 3. i like hitting the 8 into the 4 hard and forcing forward myself. even if i leave a bank on the nine, at least if he misses it i'll probably leave it so as he'll leave me the 3 or 5 if he does miss the bank on the 9; yet ideally id want to not leave the bank on the 9 but you dont have total control with that force shot.
 
woody_968 said:
If he doesnt know to take the scratch then you may actually have the upper hand.

Woody
Yes, I think that's a good point. He may be a bit flustered because he thought he had you stuck in a bad position only to find that now he seems to be in a bad position. Wouldn't be the first time that a one-pocket player missed taking an intention foul as the best alternative.

The reason I posted the thread to begin with was to encourage one-pocket players to play around with some ideas about how to deal with the situation I presented.
 
BillPorter said:
Does this render the Bill Cress solution without merit?


Yes, it does.....and regardless of the score, as another poster suggested.....Because before, the shooter had a few options to escape with - but here, frozen between the spotted balls, he's in a death trap.

- Ghost
 
Neil said:
The 15 is the ball spotted AFTER your shot.
Perhaps I wasn't as clear as I needed to be in my original message, sorry. I meant one needs to ensure the Q-ball doen't roll forward or off on the 1 ball so when the spotted ball (15 for example spots up for foul behind the Qball), the 2 ball can't be made. I do like your option of taking srcatch in off the corner leaving in the lips of the pocket.
 
Clueless novice guess

It looks like the cb is off the rail enough to spin it a little with some left-SO - thin the 3 and three rail (right side long rail,end short rail, left side long rail) it missing the 2 to get back under the 4.

That's my guess without the benefit any knowledge or looking at any responses before answering since I didn't want to be influenced by reality.

Sort of a WCED (what could Efren do?) approach.

I really have no clue as to what the 'right play" is here.

3railkick-hmmmm:confused:
 
BillPorter said:
That was Diamond Bill's solution! Good job! It leaves your opponent in a tough spot because he has no reasonable offensive play and will have trouble playing you safe because of the position of the 3-ball.


With all due respect to you and Diamond Bill, there is no way on God's good green Simonis covered earth I am shooting this shot for real money. With the other guy having one high and one low, if you're a hair off you are a dead duck.

I think what I'm doing is going off the 8, four rails, to try and put the guy behind the 4.

Lou Figueroa
dan''t know nothin'
about 1pocket
 
The Wade Crane column in question is in the March 1994 issue of Pool & Billiard Magazine.
 
This nifty little one-pocket move was described in an article by Wade Crane in a 1994 Pool & Billiard magazine. Crane said he got the move from an old friend, "Diamond Bill" Cress.

In the table layout below, your pocket is at the upper right with your opponent's pocket at the lower right. It's your shot and even if you decide to take an intentional scratch, where do you shoot the cue ball? Is there a way to turn this situation around so that you put your opponent in trouble? BTW, the one ball is on the spot.

If no one comes up with a good answer, I'll post "Diamond Bill's" solution.

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can't seem to pull up the image :(
That's because the images were in an external app called "CueTable". The developer of CueTable lost interest in the project and his site, which was required to view the images, went away. That's one more example of why you shouldn't depend on third parties for images or features if they can be avoided.

If you look in some old threads, there are lots of holes where PhotoBucket images should be.

A future problem is "ChalkySticks". When it dies, lots of posts here will have holes in them.
 
The Wade Crane column in question is in the March 1994 issue of Pool & Billiard Magazine.
When I googled Pool and billiard magazine, March 1994
All I got was links to eBay to buy it
Do you have a link to the magazine or to the article Bob?
 
When I googled Pool and billiard magazine, March 1994
All I got was links to eBay to buy it
Do you have a link to the magazine or to the article Bob?
C'mon man, trying to mine a 16yr old thread?? Haven't you learned anything here??? ;)
 
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