Diamond Pro-Cut vs Olhausen Rattle?

[tonmo]

If I get a chance I will try that. I guess I would personally never slam in an off-center combo that way in any playing situation -- I'd be pretty ginger with such a shot... But I get the point of your test. Hell, I'm not that good, so I could even try slamming a non-combo cut shot in there and can probably demonstrate rattle just fine

 

[donny mills]

Thanks Donny. So you are saying that balls hit well hard will go on a Diamond, but not an Olhausen? Johnnyt

Yes for sure.

 

[Grilled Cheese]

Doing that kind of a test, you can fire the balls into the corner pockets on a 6 x 12 snooker table as well, just like on your table. The shot you're demonstrating is a one in a million type of shot, because of the use of 3 balls in a combo, you're eliminating any chance of throw, spin, as well as running the balls straight down the face of the cushion into the deepest part of the facing and back of the pocket.

Try this, line up only 2 balls in a combo, then fire them into the pockets. Then while you're doing that, start putting a little throw into the shot by hitting the 2 ball combination a little off center...so what you're doing is injecting a little error into your shot...as when you're actually playing pool, that way you can see the difference in how balls are pocketed when they come off the rail at a slight angle, hit the facing farther out, hit the rail further up yet still be inside the pocket.

In other words, replicate shots you actually make on a table, because no one can miss a 3 ball combo down the rail...even with 4" corner pockets

Glen

The whole idea was to eliminate user error to see how the pocket acts on its own.

Can anyone make that? Sure (on functional pockets). Do all pockets accept that shot? NO. Two tables at my local pool room do not accept that ball with that same test. How do I know? I did that test. What inspired me to do it? When a popular drill I like to practice resulted in 0% success when I usually get around 50-60% I began to wonder if I was having a real bad day or if something else was going on.


That test is a baseline. A person can at least rule out a really bad pocket angle. Don't want to hit so deep in the pocket? Offset the balls 3/8" from the rail and shoot the same shot.


You of all people should know what kind of cushion butchers posing as table mechanics there are out there

 

[djkx1]

Doing that kind of a test, you can fire the balls into the corner pockets on a 6 x 12 snooker table as well, just like on your table. The shot you're demonstrating is a one in a million type of shot, because of the use of 3 balls in a combo, you're eliminating any chance of throw, spin, as well as running the balls straight down the face of the cushion into the deepest part of the facing and back of the pocket.

Try this, line up only 2 balls in a combo, then fire them into the pockets. Then while you're doing that, start putting a little throw into the shot by hitting the 2 ball combination a little off center...so what you're doing is injecting a little error into your shot...as when you're actually playing pool, that way you can see the difference in how balls are pocketed when they come off the rail at a slight angle, hit the facing farther out, hit the rail further up yet still be inside the pocket.

In other words, replicate shots you actually make on a table, because no one can miss a 3 ball combo down the rail...even with 4" corner pockets

Glen

I tried the 3 ball combo frozen on the rail on my table and there is no chance they are going in with speed. I've known all along my table plays tough and that the angle of the pockets is not right, but this confirms it. I have a 9' commercial Dufferin with shimmed pockets BTW.
I also agree with Donny that if a table plays that way it has negative effects on your game. Hopefully some time in the next while I can find a mechanic that can re-do my rails. Either that or save up for a Diamond.

 

[Raggedy Andy]

Hang em High

I think olhausens pockets are gaffy. I also think if you play one long enough it will make your stroke jerky. I played on a table for a long time with gaffy corner pockets. It made me scared to hit a ball hard with draw etc. down the rail. I feel that same fear on every olhausen I've played on.

There is a huge difference in the way the two tables play. The fact that the slate is deeper on the Olhausens is what differentiates the two. The openings on each table are tight, but the Olhausen is much less forgiving, even on well hit shots. I play a kid on an Olhausen with the tight cut pockets in Las Cruces. I am by far the better player, and out play him very time, but I have hung so many balls on that table, I now have a little anxiety about playing him on it. On a Diamond, the opening is equally tight, but you are not punished for shooting hard, like on an Olhausen. So, I am afraid to say......I agree with you, Donny, about playing tentatively.

 

[Grilled Cheese]

I tried the 3 ball combo frozen on the rail on my table and there is no chance they are going in with speed. I've known all along my table plays tough and that the angle of the pockets is not right, but this confirms it. I have a 9' commercial Dufferin with shimmed pockets BTW.
I also agree with Donnie that if a table plays that way it has negative effects on your game. Hopefully some time in the next while I can find a mechanic that can re-do my rails. Either that or save up for a Diamond.

See RKC...that ball don't go on some tables :blush:

 

[realkingcobra]

See RKC...that ball don't go on some tables :blush:

Some mechanic's can make sure of that too

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

did the olhausen test, also...

Hi Johnnyt;

I am getting together with my buddy this afternoon at his club for a session before they officially open the doors. They have 9' Olhausens and I will experiment with and report back to this thread on the 3 ball rail shot.

Best,
Brian kc

So as promised I did the three ball on the rail combo 10 out of 10 tries on the Olhausen, however, as speed increased and with close monitoring we could see the pocket was less happy to swallow the object ball - almost rattling but not quite. So, speed did change how the pockets on this table performed.

FWIW, I know that the thread is comapring Olhausens to Diamonds but I will share that my GC1, doing the same test, accepted the object balls smoothly regardless of how fast I was firing them in.

Regards,
Brian kc

 

[gforces1911]

Difference

Is there a big difference on a diamond that is cut at 141 degrees as compared to one that is cut at 140 degrees? Does the size of the pocket come into play as well?

 

[realkingcobra]

Is there a big difference on a diamond that is cut at 141 degrees as compared to one that is cut at 140 degrees? Does the size of the pocket come into play as well?

At 140 degrees, the balls are deflecting deeper into the back of the pocket off the facings, so yes it does make a difference...it makes the pocket more accepting of more shots, but that means that shots that shouldn't go...more than likely willl go. Combine that with smaller pockets, you end up with the balls being pocketed more through the center of the pocket....which is also where the slate shelf is the shortest...giving you an either it's in...or it's out situation for the object ball because there is almost no chance to rattle a ball in the pocket...because there's almost no slate shelf to support the object ball....when more than 60% of the object ball is sticking out of the pocket.

Glen

 

[MOJOE]

I have an Olhausen table at home and it does play a bit goofy. As Donny Mills said, it does have an effect on your game because balls that fall on a Diamond Pro, won't fall on my table. It's very frustrating even after having the table for 5 or 6 years.

I'm going to have a Diamond in the near future to play on I hope.. I do love the accu-fast cushions on my Olhausen but don't like the way the pockets spit balls out coming down the rails.. JMHO