I believe the GCIV was also offered in a tournament addition.
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"Diamondizing" A Table Thread
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I believe the GCIV was also offered in a tournament addition.
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Not until the GC5 was Pro pockets offered.
Ain't no way
A blue label Diamond banks like a GC.I've had GCs & now have a blue label.Nothing banks as good as a good Gold Crown
A blue label Diamond banks like a GC.I've had GCs & now have a blue label.Nothing banks as good as a good Gold Crown
I don't agree with this and I feel like your statement is contradicting itself.
I feel Diamonds and GCs bank very differently with me being partial to the GCs.
Agreed but, the balls also come off the rails faster. I know it impossible but, I could swear I have watched balls gain speed after hitting a cushion. Probably just an illusion. The tables play different. That’s all I can tell you with certainty.
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Has anyone
Saw an instructional video on the market where they use a Diamond table??I own one & love it But they bank WAY different than a Gold Crown...Compare a three railer in da corner?which goes truer?
Saw an instructional video on the market where they use a Diamond table??I own one & love it But they bank WAY different than a Gold Crown...Compare a three railer in da corner?which goes truer?
I have a GC4 and one rail banks are almost identical to most of the blue labels I play on. I have played on a few blues that bank shorter and I’m not sure why. Two and three railers are slightly different. The Diamond pockets are superior to GC’s.
Nobody would be having this discussion if it wasn’t for the fact that the tables play different.
What gets me is that the Bruswick table has been the standard for the professionals and amateurs alike in tournaments, pool rooms, and bowling alleys. It’s what made pool the game it once was and is. Yet, I hear the argument that a diamond plays better. Based on what exactly? The argument is made back and forth. I say football played on grass is the way the game was meant to be played. Artificial turf changes the game. So does changing the tables of our loved sport.
This can be argued for 10 years and it will. I will be a GC guy for life. I play diamonds. I don’t care for them. The balls go in. The table banks. You can play pool on it in all variations. Is it the same game as on a GC. No it isn’t.
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What gets me is that the Bruswick table has been the standard for the professionals and amateurs alike in tournaments, pool rooms, and bowling alleys. It’s what made pool the game it once was and is. Yet, I hear the argument that a diamond plays better. Based on what exactly? The argument is made back and forth. I say football played on grass is the way the game was meant to be played. Artificial turf changes the game. So does changing the tables of our loved sport.
This can be argued for 10 years and it will. I will be a GC guy for life. I play diamonds. I don’t care for them. The balls go in. The table banks. You can play pool on it in all variations. Is it the same game as on a GC. No it isn’t.
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Don't forget that Diamond tables have two kinds of cushions, the Black Diamond rubber and the Artemis rubber. They install the Artemis on the 9 footers only.
I would not base my comparison unless I was certain I knew what was under the cloth. In other words, unless I or a friend owned the table, or it is a relatively new table in the pool room.
These two cushions do play different.
Gold Crowns play radically different from each other because Gold Crowns have 5 generations of table, most of which have been around decades. Meaning that many of them have had cushions changed at least once. Different generations of tables that have different build quality and designs.
How and who did the cushion work will make a difference. Also, what kind of cushions they use. Brunswick has slightly different cushions on their oldest tables. Not all K-55 is the same.
I'm sure RKC can expand on this.
Also, what is the age of the cloth? Newer cloth plays longer and the angle is wider on 3 rail banks. Did you all compare or take into account the type and age of cloth when comparing the tables?
So it is very difficult to get apples to apples comparison. When you compare two brands, you need to compare their "factory" versions. Not examples that have been hacked on by various table mechanics for 20+ years.
I owned a brand new Gold Crown III with factory installed genuine super speed cushions. I shot on a 2 week old, recently installed at the time red label Diamond at a local pool room. Yes, the banks were different. Did the same on a blue label many years later - and it's essentially the same to a GC relative to the red labels which were noticeably different.
You will never get exact. But then again, that is pointless. You will never get exact across the same make and model of Gold Crown either.
You can get very close when:
A pool room has all the same generation of Gold Crowns all installed at the same time.
And that pool room uses the same table mechanic for years, who is also competent.
This way, they all get new cloth and rails the same time, and the guy doing it does it the same across the tables in that room.
Usually, a table mechanic will source the same cushions for all the tables. There's a lot of knock-off or aftermarket rubber cushions out there...of various and dubious quality. To make matters worse, pool room owners like to save in every way they can - so most older tables are not getting premium cushions.
The tables in that room will have their own play "style" but should be close to one another.
I would not base my comparison unless I was certain I knew what was under the cloth. In other words, unless I or a friend owned the table, or it is a relatively new table in the pool room.
These two cushions do play different.
Gold Crowns play radically different from each other because Gold Crowns have 5 generations of table, most of which have been around decades. Meaning that many of them have had cushions changed at least once. Different generations of tables that have different build quality and designs.
How and who did the cushion work will make a difference. Also, what kind of cushions they use. Brunswick has slightly different cushions on their oldest tables. Not all K-55 is the same.
I'm sure RKC can expand on this.
Also, what is the age of the cloth? Newer cloth plays longer and the angle is wider on 3 rail banks. Did you all compare or take into account the type and age of cloth when comparing the tables?
So it is very difficult to get apples to apples comparison. When you compare two brands, you need to compare their "factory" versions. Not examples that have been hacked on by various table mechanics for 20+ years.
I owned a brand new Gold Crown III with factory installed genuine super speed cushions. I shot on a 2 week old, recently installed at the time red label Diamond at a local pool room. Yes, the banks were different. Did the same on a blue label many years later - and it's essentially the same to a GC relative to the red labels which were noticeably different.
You will never get exact. But then again, that is pointless. You will never get exact across the same make and model of Gold Crown either.
You can get very close when:
A pool room has all the same generation of Gold Crowns all installed at the same time.
And that pool room uses the same table mechanic for years, who is also competent.
This way, they all get new cloth and rails the same time, and the guy doing it does it the same across the tables in that room.
Usually, a table mechanic will source the same cushions for all the tables. There's a lot of knock-off or aftermarket rubber cushions out there...of various and dubious quality. To make matters worse, pool room owners like to save in every way they can - so most older tables are not getting premium cushions.
The tables in that room will have their own play "style" but should be close to one another.
So begs the question....what happens as these Diamonds age? Will the same penny pinching owners decide to save a few Nickle’s on cheaper cushions and cloth? It’s an endless cycle.
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To Diamond's credit, they use Artemis cushions on their 9-footers.
They last a long time .
They probably outlast most pool halls
Brunswick really messed up when they moved rubber maker from the US to overseas. Quality went down so Diamond opted for Championship then Artemis.
Super Speed is better now but they still , for a time, known to get hard really fast .
Think about it once, if the ball came off of the rail faster than it went into the rail once you hit a ball hard enough for a lag it would never stop rolling. It would just keep going faster and faster every time it came off of another cushion. Pretty soon you lag shot would be going 13 rails!!!!:yikes::yikes::yikes:
I really think people are retarded these days. I have been playing pool for 45 years. That’s why I said I know it’s impossible. Read the full sentence don’t just look on idiot tube.
But for your idiotic information it is absolutely possible for a ball to come off the rail faster if you hit it with spin although it obviously won’t maintain that amount of sped probably past the second rail.
Learn to respond to things you actually have some knowledge about. BTW where do you play because I want that game.
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In this area examples of lousy Brunswick cushions going hard like pottery were quite common. Around 1995 four or five rooms opened around here with GC3s. Sections of the cushions started going hard soon. One room eventually had to replace about 60 cushion sections on about 22 tables as they died one by one.
At the other end of the spectrum, a table mechanic told me that he has seen 1930s Brunswicks with the original rubber and still playable. I had a GC1.5 that probably had original rubber that was still fine in 2006.
If I were replacing rubber on my own table now, I would never choose Brunswick. It's a little disappointing when you shoot a lag shot at good speed and the cue ball comes back only as far as the side pockets.
The cushions and the hardness for a short period of time have been discussed and explained. Read up on the threads. It has been discussed and explained.
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Also as of yesterday hit 3 three long rails on my GCV. Granted it takes warp 9. Generally I get about 2.75 on normal strokes.
Now I never tried it on a diamond but, I will.
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It was not a short period around here. Brunswick offered no relief. Cushions are still failing. Maybe people are acting on old info but some around here will not use Brunswick rubber unless they are forced to.
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What does "hit 3 three long rails" mean? Do you mean you hit the far end rail three times while shooting straight up and down the table. I think most people would say something like "I got five lengths."