Did Archer play a perfect match?

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Seminole Pro Tour, OH-
Point Match: Archer vs. Strickland.

Archer wins 9-2. A few times in broadcast it was announced Mr. Archer was shooting a statistical perfect score. I know these are rare. Did in fact Mr. Archer execute a perfect match?

I do not remember whom/what org. was keeping track, but find it interesting and noteworthy news, as they are rare occourances.

Thank you,

Jay P.
 
From my notes on the match, the only mistake I see that might keep him from a perfect score came in game #4. Earl played a safe on the 3-ball, Johnny missed a bank on the 3-ball, and Earl ran out.

I don't specifically remember seeing that shot of Johnny's. It's possible that what I noted as a missed bank shot might have been considered a safety. But even if it was, it would have been an unsuccessful safety because Earl ran out after that shot. So in either case, I think it would be considered an error and would mean that Johnny did not shoot 1000.

Caveat -- I'm not fully knowledgeable about how either the Accu-Stats TPA or the ProPool.com WPRating works, but I think any "error" puts the score below 1.0 (i.e., "1000").
 
AtLarge said:
From my notes on the match, the only mistake I see that might keep him from a perfect score came in game #4. Earl played a safe on the 3-ball, Johnny missed a bank on the 3-ball, and Earl ran out.

I don't specifically remember seeing that shot of Johnny's. It's possible that what I noted as a missed bank shot might have been considered a safety. But even if it was, it would have been an unsuccessful safety because Earl ran out after that shot. So in either case, I think it would be considered an error and would mean that Johnny did not shoot 1000.

Caveat -- I'm not fully knowledgeable about how either the Accu-Stats TPA or the ProPool.com WPRating works, but I think any "error" puts the score below 1.0 (i.e., "1000").
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It's been a long time since I did Accu-Stats on a match, but I think we only count a miss on a "makeable" shot. An easy bank cross side might qualify, but a more difficult bank might not be counted as a miss.
 
It would have been an error regardless.....

If he went for the bank and missed it would have been a single error since any bank should be considered harder than a spot shot....

If he was banking safe and let Earl make the next shot then he would have had an error on the safety...

Since Earl had played a safety on the prior shot the only way the outcome for Johnny wouldn't have ended with an error would have been if he was kicking. He could hit the ball directly so he had options.....
 
Thanks, guys. Maybe some time I'll try to learn more about those calculations.

I think another point should be made about that match, however. Whether Johnny shot 1000 or 988, the number is kind of misleading. Earl played that match in kind of a lackadaisical, I'm-going-to-act-like-I-don't-much-care fashion. He went to the table in 8 of the 11 games. He gave Johnny ball in hand in 6 of those 8 games! He hugely facilitated the high performance average by Johnny. Yes, Johnny had 3 B&R's that match and played great, but it wasn't as if he just blitzed Earl and gave him no chances.

So the numbers don't tell the whole story.
 
ratnip said:
Seminole Pro Tour, OH-
Point Match: Archer vs. Strickland.

Archer wins 9-2. A few times in broadcast it was announced Mr. Archer was shooting a statistical perfect score. I know these are rare. Did in fact Mr. Archer execute a perfect match?

I do not remember whom/what org. was keeping track, but find it interesting and noteworthy news, as they are rare occourances.

Thank you,

Jay P.
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How can he play a perfect match if he missed a single shot and did not win every game?

In my opinion the only way to play a perfect set is to win every game in the set and completely shut your opponent out with any safety that you shoot.

JIMO
 
manwon said:
How can he play a perfect match if he missed a single shot and did not win every game?

In my opinion the only way to play a perfect set is to win every game in the set and completely shut your opponent out with any safety that you shoot.

JIMO
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The performance averages basically are number of balls made during the match divided by the sum of balls made and errors. The key is in the definitions of what is or is not an error. Breaking dry is not an error, for example. So Johnny broke dry in two of the games of that match (Earl ran out one of those). That had no adverse effect on the calculation for Johnny.

But you're right. "Perfect" by the numbers can still leave a little to be desired.
 
manwon said:
How can he play a perfect match if he missed a single shot and did not win every game?

In my opinion the only way to play a perfect set is to win every game in the set and completely shut your opponent out with any safety that you shoot.

JIMO
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I was under impression that Johnny drybroke 2 times = Earl's 2 games won. I don't think they 'punish' you for subtracting points on your break. You are correct on the safety portion as the six of eight times Earl made it to the table were to methodical safety play. However, I disagree that you have to win everygame to be a perfect set, as noone on earth can guarantee a ball on the break and position everytime.

Jay P.
 
If a players runs the set out from the opening break....does the opposing player get a perfect score too ? Since technically they had no unforced errors either.:scratchhead:
 
If JA was playing a two way shot/free shot, and got shape on his next ball and hooked his opponent on his miss, I don't think that would lower his %.
 
ratnip said:
I was under impression that Johnny drybroke 2 times = Earl's 2 games won. I don't think they 'punish' you for subtracting points on your break. You are correct on the safety portion as the six of eight times Earl made it to the table were to methodical safety play. However, I disagree that you have to win everygame to be a perfect set, as noone on earth can guarantee a ball on the break and position everytime.

Jay P.
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Just a couple of corrections:

- Earl made it to the table in 8 of the 11 games (Johnny broke and ran 3 times). But in 2 of those 8 games, Earl made 3 trips to the table in each game. So, in total, he went to the table 12 times.

- Johnny broke dry twice. The first time (game 6), Earl ran out. The second time (game 11), Earl scratched on the 4-ball and Johnny ran out for the match win. [Earl's other win was in game #4, where both players had 3 trips to the table.]
 
Thanks all for the updates...

and your insightful comments. It is sounding like Johnny may in fact have shot 1.00 (perfect match). Again I am only defining 'perfect' with the score of 1.00 as accustats.

Thanks again,

Jay P.
 
The Renfro said:
It would have been an error regardless.....

If he went for the bank and missed it would have been a single error since any bank should be considered harder than a spot shot....

If he was banking safe and let Earl make the next shot then he would have had an error on the safety...

Since Earl had played a safety on the prior shot the only way the outcome for Johnny wouldn't have ended with an error would have been if he was kicking. He could hit the ball directly so he had options.....
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This is per accustats scoring... So JA did not shoot a 1.000... IF Earl ran out after a missed bank or safety...

It also sounds like JA may have had a few POSITION errors if Earl was getting to the table frequently when JA was playing safe... Depends on how intentional JA played shape for the safety...

And as far as not getting an error for pulling off a 2 way when missing the make... Sigel and others have argued that point before but if the major effort was for the make they always get the error.....

There is a breakdown of scoring on the accustats site... Some things are subjective like the 2 way, "harder than a spot shot", and planning to play safe instead of needing to... I am just relaying how Pat Fleming taught me to score the matches.....
 
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