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[pt109]

I don't need to go into it, searches here as well as across the web will bring up plenty of skepticism regarding Mosconi's run. Perhaps it is Mosconi's run that needs an asterisk.

You can tell from the way people respond how they really need the legend to continue. Maybe it was legit, maybe it wasn't so legit. Either way, it's an incredible feat, perhaps the greatest.

But like I said -

In my opinion, the highest video taped run is the best run of all time.
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Regarding Mosconi, the only thing that should finally put things to rest would be a run of 527 or more balls, on a table at least 8 feet in size, and pockets no bigger than 5.25" ...cause Mosconi did it on an 8 footer with 5.25" sewers.

But even that won't satisfy the people who cling to legends. Even a breaking of the record will not suffice on ball count alone. They will come up with something to diminish any record breaking threat. Such as ....


All this "it was an exhibition" and "there was an opponent" and "he didn't start with a break shot" is bullshit. Completely irrelevant. All intended to invalidate any challenge to the record.

So a run made 64 years ago.....it’s pics or it didn’t happen?

I was asked by a teacher...”I you could go back in history and witness any battle....
...which one would you pick?”...........I thought about it....I said “Hannibal sacking Rome.”
...i guess if you were in that class, you might’ve said “Vids or it didn’t happen.”

 

[hitman22]

THE ONLY RUNS I SEE ARE HERE...WHATS NEXT BATMAN vs SUPER MAN ON A BAR TABLE..

 

[lfigueroa]

It is NOT my opinion. All these nitpickers saying - it wasnt on the same table, it wasnt the same cloth, it wasnt the same size pockets, it wasnt the same balls, it's not in an exhibition, he shot a shot he wouldnt shoot in a tournament, and on, and on and on.

No matter what John or anybody else does, somebody that cant run out in 3 ball is gonna say it doesnt count.

Fact is - if an exhibition, tournament, etc is to 200 balls, that is when "exhibition/tournament" ends.

Sure. OK, whatever you say.

Lou Figueroa
wow

 

[lfigueroa]

There is also the idea that Mosconi was making a good living doing regular exhibitions during this time period, so although he generally stopped at 150, he played a LOT of individual games when spread across his exhibition schedule, whereas 14.1 is only a practice game for John, and on much tougher equipment than Mosconi's run was on. And John isn't making the equivalent of $2,000 - $3,000 a week the way Mosconi was. If John had that kind of financial incentive, you can guarantee that the record would not still be standing.

I am of the opinion that Mosconi only attempted to continue his run because the table was playing brutally easy. I doubt he even bothers to try if the table is 4 1/2 x 9 or 5 x 10. Given that one of his exhibition requirements was bucket pockets, that tells you how easy this particular 4 x 8 played if he could be cajoled into trying for a high run.

One of his "exhibition requirements" was not bucket pockets.

He played on whatever Brunswick equipment was available -- that's how he ended up on a 4x8' -- it was the only Brunswick table in the house. And more than one account has testified to him running over 300 on tight tables and 5x10's. He also didn't do so bad on a snooker table beating Rex Williams in a cross-country series of matches.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Grilled Cheese]

So a run made 64 years ago.....it’s pics or it didn’t happen?

I was asked by a teacher...”I you could go back in history and witness any battle....
...which one would you pick?”...........I thought about it....I said “Hannibal sacking Rome.”
...i guess if you were in that class, you might’ve said “Vids or it didn’t happen.”

You can argue with a strawman all you want.


No one said it didn't happen.


HOW it happened, that is a question.

 

[pt109]

You can argue with a strawman all you want.


No one said it didn't happen.


HOW it happened, that is a question.

Still the same thinking....you can choose not to believe anything.

 

[deanoc]

Hannibal sacking Rome?

no pictures it didn't happen

I don't think he ever got to Rome
Italy yes,city of Rome no
Crossed the Alps with elephants int he snow and ice
Won many battles in Italy
what a story

Don't straight pool player normally play on 5 inch pockets
or at least prefer them

I thought John was playing on large pockets too

 

[skip100]

Hannibal sacking Rome?

no pictures it didn't happen

I don't think he ever got to Rome
Italy yes,city of Rome no
Crossed the Alps with elephants int he snow and ice
Won many battles in Italy
what a story

Pass the bong.

 

[pt109]

Hannibal sacking Rome?

no pictures it didn't happen

I don't think he ever got to Rome
Italy yes,city of Rome no
Crossed the Alps with elephants int he snow and ice
Won many battles in Italy
what a story

Don't straight pool player normally play on 5 inch pockets
or at least prefer them

I thought John was playing on large pockets too

Well, that was interesting...you had me reading stuff I haven’t looked since I was a kid.
...and you’re right.

There must’ve been cue makers in those days...because elephants were becoming sparse.

 

[Positively Ralf]

I don't care how it's done, I would love to just see it done.

All this extra talk is just talk. Like someone said, it's just the sports aficionado in all of us arguing.

 

[AtLarge]

... according to R.A Dyer's account in "The Hustler & The Champ" the opening sequence went like this:

"Bruney shot first and played a safety. Mosconi returned it, leaving Bruney nothing. They went back and forth like that a few times, ducking and stalling. Jake got the first open look and made three balls, but the fourth one he missed.

And then it was over."

Lou Figueroa

....which can be read to differ a bit from the account in Willie's autobiography: "He made three balls off the break, then I ran two hundred and just kept going."

 

[skogstokig]

There is also the idea that Mosconi was making a good living doing regular exhibitions during this time period, so although he generally stopped at 150, he played a LOT of individual games when spread across his exhibition schedule, whereas 14.1 is only a practice game for John, and on much tougher equipment than Mosconi's run was on. And John isn't making the equivalent of $2,000 - $3,000 a week the way Mosconi was. If John had that kind of financial incentive, you can guarantee that the record would not still be standing.

exactly. the live pool crowds of the 1960's have been replaced by youtube, facebook, ppv. so john is doing the only rational thing imo.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... I was asked by a teacher...”I you could go back in history and witness any battle....
...which one would you pick?”...........I thought about it....I said “Hannibal sacking Rome.”
...i guess if you were in that class, you might’ve said “Vids or it didn’t happen.”

Well, so all he would have had to do is take his smarty-phone back with him and make a video.:grin-square:

 

[lfigueroa]

....which can be read to differ a bit from the account in Willie's autobiography: "He made three balls off the break, then I ran two hundred and just kept going."

I believe you are taking the "...three balls off the break" thing too literally.

Per Dyer, it would just be straight pool shorthand for the fact that there was a break and the typical opening sequence of safeties.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Dan White]

I believe you are taking the "...three balls off the break" thing too literally.

Per Dyer, it would just be straight pool shorthand for the fact that there was a break and the typical opening sequence of safeties.

Lou Figueroa

So Willie made 11 balls in the first rack, then 36 more racks plus 11 more in the last rack. He missed with 4 balls on the table. I thought I read somewhere that he missed a 6 ball in the side because supposedly some kid distracted him. I don't know where I heard that and it is probably wrong. I know Willie also said in that interview with Vern Lundquist that he just got tired and quit. I don't know if anyone believes that, but then again maybe he had had enough and mentally gave up by the time he missed.

 

[lfigueroa]

So Willie made 11 balls in the first rack, then 36 more racks plus 11 more in the last rack. He missed with 4 balls on the table. I thought I read somewhere that he missed a 6 ball in the side because supposedly some kid distracted him. I don't know where I heard that and it is probably wrong. I know Willie also said in that interview with Vern Lundquist that he just got tired and quit. I don't know if anyone believes that, but then again maybe he had had enough and mentally gave up by the time he missed.

The Springfield News reported that it was a tough angle shot, the six ball, to a corner pocket, that hung up.

Lou Figueroa

 

[pt109]

Too bad that table isn’t in a museum.
I played on the table 14 years after that run....I was just a kid,,,
More interested in action.
...I vaguely remember a plaque or a poster about Willie’s run.

It would’ve been nice if someone bought the table and got Willie to sign it.....
...by the time I was mature enough to think like that....the room was gone.

 

[Low500]

"They" will never accept it or admit it.

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[AtLarge]

I believe you are taking the "...three balls off the break" thing too literally.

Per Dyer, it would just be straight pool shorthand for the fact that there was a break and the typical opening sequence of safeties.

Lou Figueroa

I fully recognized that as a possibility, hence my words "can be read."

 

[jasonlaus]

When that high run of Mosconi's is broken, and it will be broken, the Mosconi worshipers will never say that it is legitimate.
It will always "not count" because of hundreds of 'reasons' in their small minds.
Similar to what many said when Hank Aaron broke Babe Ruth's home run record.
Fans don't like to see their gods toppled.
:deadhorse:

The sad part is that I think most of these people feel that his record is what makes him great.

In reality, the record is meaningless when its compared to his skill/body of work over his lifetime.

Mosconi WILL ALWAYS be the greatest or in the conversation forever and no silly record is gonna change that.
Jason