Did Scmidt set new record
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beg to differ with the extinction of the american carom player
When you order a fine bottle of wine, there's a reason the server will pour some in your glass to taste.
Metaphorically, we are talking about the greatest bottle of wine in pool -- it's the most historic and cherished record in the game by any objective standard.
But, guess what? A fine bottle that some aficionados say will surpass the previous best might not be any good. It might be plonk.
Chances are it will be fine and live up to it's reputation but it doesn't deserve an automatic free pass. You have to open the bottle and taste it first. So let's all wait and see, and have the bottle delivered to our table, opened up, and taste it. AND THEN, all the box wine drinkers here can decide, along with those of us with a more refined palate, how it measures up.
To all those that say the run is being prejudged -- take a look in the mirror if you're already giving it a free pass ;-)
Lou Figueroa
Metaphorically, we are talking about the greatest bottle of wine in pool -- it's the most historic and cherished record in the game by any objective standard.
But, guess what? A fine bottle that some aficionados say will surpass the previous best might not be any good. It might be plonk.
Chances are it will be fine and live up to it's reputation but it doesn't deserve an automatic free pass. You have to open the bottle and taste it first. So let's all wait and see, and have the bottle delivered to our table, opened up, and taste it. AND THEN, all the box wine drinkers here can decide, along with those of us with a more refined palate, how it measures up.
To all those that say the run is being prejudged -- take a look in the mirror if you're already giving it a free pass ;-)
Lou Figueroa
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After reading this I'm gonna unscrew me a box of Silver Oak.
Big to-do about nothing so far. When the day comes that John actually surpasses 526 and has it all in tape, then we will really have something to talk about. This long winded discussion only shows how much interest there is in his attempt to do what to now has been impossible. Mosconi's 526 is one of the longest running records in all of sports. I can't think of any record that has held up longer, can you?
DiMaggio set the record of hitting safely in 56 consecutive games in 1941. Many say that record will never be broken.
Ted Williams hit .406 in the same year, still a record. Amazingly, a guy hits over .400 and still loses the MVP title to DiMaggio!
He was The Chairman of The Board...
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Thanks for reminding me. I think Pete Rose came the closest at 44 games.
Record
A man is credited with firing a .009 inch center to center five shot group at 100 yards in competition. Some debate if he did however it is recorded as official. The record is decades old, close to fifty years maybe more I am working from memory, and will stand as long as there are associations that accept it. If such a group was fired it was a fluke and the odds of it happening again are probably longer than the odds of winning the powerball or mega-millions.
Hu
A man is credited with firing a .009 inch center to center five shot group at 100 yards in competition. Some debate if he did however it is recorded as official. The record is decades old, close to fifty years maybe more I am working from memory, and will stand as long as there are associations that accept it. If such a group was fired it was a fluke and the odds of it happening again are probably longer than the odds of winning the powerball or mega-millions.
Hu
You're right, my bad, although I wouldn't say "many" have had higher single season averages. I was primarily thinking of DiMaggio and recalled that Williams had over .400 in that same year. It hasn't been matched since then but is not the high record.
I assume that was some kind of bench-rest setup. Was it in a closed range or open air?
No matter...5 shots within .009?
Could you place 5 of anything within this tolerance by hand, let alone by firing a rifle?
I'm not so sure that I could
P.S...even the slightest tumble by a single round would eliminate this accuracy
And Ted did not win the MVP that year.
outdoors, benchrest
The record was set outdoors in formal benchrest competition. 10.5 pound class including rifle and scope. The projectiles are handmade and capable of ridiculous accuracy. Everything is handmade or reworked to the same level as handmade components. Anal doesn't begin to describe benchrest shooters. I spent fourteen hours once just turning the necks on 28 pieces of brass. A friend held the record for five 5 shot groups for over a decade with the same class rifle, .150". Shooting inside the fabled Houston Warehouse the owner could consistently crank out groups under .100.
While these groups and aggregates are pretty amazing even with the best equipment in the world they are a long ways from .009. Five bullets through the same hole would widen it somewhat and equally important, bullets are coming through the target tag at an angle since a bullet drops from the time it leaves the barrel. When we consider that the bullet is going through the paper at an angle and wouldn't leave a perfectly round hole the group would have likely been even smaller than a .009 if that angle was considered.
The shooter was a highly respected competitor and the manufacturer of the custom action used. Did he fire one shot into the tag and dump four into the backstop? It was decided he didn't. Now we use moving backers and I think they were using them that day but it malfunctioned. Very tiny groups are .050 and those are rare. I don't know about recent accomplishments since I quit shooting benchrest long ago. I took a look at a few results awhile back and it looked like you have to be shooting five shot groups under .200" at a hundred yards to just hold your position in the standings.
Good equipment, windflags, some very smart shooters. I could hang with them sometimes in mild conditions, what amazed me is their groups didn't get much bigger in bad conditions, like five inches of rain in two days along with wind. I knew I was had at 200 yards when the windflag I had put at the end of an old embankment at about 120 yards rotated over 720 degrees without stopping! Seven minutes to shoot five shots seems like a long time but sometimes in that match I watched my windflags and scratched my butt and head, alternating hands, for six minutes then whipped five shots downrange out of the single shot rifle as fast as possible and hoped for the best. Another match mirage was so bad in a 40X scope that I often couldn't even see the 200 yard target, yet these guys shoot bug holes.
Hu
The record was set outdoors in formal benchrest competition. 10.5 pound class including rifle and scope. The projectiles are handmade and capable of ridiculous accuracy. Everything is handmade or reworked to the same level as handmade components. Anal doesn't begin to describe benchrest shooters. I spent fourteen hours once just turning the necks on 28 pieces of brass. A friend held the record for five 5 shot groups for over a decade with the same class rifle, .150". Shooting inside the fabled Houston Warehouse the owner could consistently crank out groups under .100.
While these groups and aggregates are pretty amazing even with the best equipment in the world they are a long ways from .009. Five bullets through the same hole would widen it somewhat and equally important, bullets are coming through the target tag at an angle since a bullet drops from the time it leaves the barrel. When we consider that the bullet is going through the paper at an angle and wouldn't leave a perfectly round hole the group would have likely been even smaller than a .009 if that angle was considered.
The shooter was a highly respected competitor and the manufacturer of the custom action used. Did he fire one shot into the tag and dump four into the backstop? It was decided he didn't. Now we use moving backers and I think they were using them that day but it malfunctioned. Very tiny groups are .050 and those are rare. I don't know about recent accomplishments since I quit shooting benchrest long ago. I took a look at a few results awhile back and it looked like you have to be shooting five shot groups under .200" at a hundred yards to just hold your position in the standings.
Good equipment, windflags, some very smart shooters. I could hang with them sometimes in mild conditions, what amazed me is their groups didn't get much bigger in bad conditions, like five inches of rain in two days along with wind. I knew I was had at 200 yards when the windflag I had put at the end of an old embankment at about 120 yards rotated over 720 degrees without stopping! Seven minutes to shoot five shots seems like a long time but sometimes in that match I watched my windflags and scratched my butt and head, alternating hands, for six minutes then whipped five shots downrange out of the single shot rifle as fast as possible and hoped for the best. Another match mirage was so bad in a 40X scope that I often couldn't even see the 200 yard target, yet these guys shoot bug holes.
Hu
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I've never shot competitively. I do have a gun that reliably can do .75 MOA at 100 yds for a 5 string shot in my hands.....or at least could 10 years ago, the last time I tried.
Nice shooting!
That is nice shooting! Benchrest with everything just right and windflags out is a lot different than practical shooting. Anything that can be relied on to shoot under one MOA is plenty accurate enough for real world use. Just a mild tune would probably get your rifle down to about one-half MOA but that is purely for bragging rights.
Hu
That is nice shooting! Benchrest with everything just right and windflags out is a lot different than practical shooting. Anything that can be relied on to shoot under one MOA is plenty accurate enough for real world use. Just a mild tune would probably get your rifle down to about one-half MOA but that is purely for bragging rights.
Hu