Did Strickland take his name off H.O.F ballot??

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recoveryjones

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I was wondering, did Strickland take his name off of the Hall of Fame ballot again this year? Apparently that is what he did last year.

Certainly if he were on the ballot this year he would of won his rightful place in H.O.F over respectable candidates like Mike Massey and Robin Dodson who made it in this year.

If he was on the ballot this year and didn't get in, then I think that the BCA's selection commitee is one big joke. JMO, RJ
 
I spoke with HOF committee members yesterday and no, Earl did not remove his name from the ballot. He was on there. By the way, none of this hubbub about Earl should detract from Robin. She certainly deserves the honor. Anyone who followed her career must remember what a dynamic force she was. The problem is that Earl also deserves the honor.

-Jerry
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
I spoke with HOF committee members yesterday and no, Earl did not remove his name from the ballot. He was on there. By the way, none of this hubbub about Earl should detract from Robin. She certainly deserves the honor. Anyone who followed her career must remember what a dynamic force she was. The problem is that Earl also deserves the honor.
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I believe, too, that Robin is very deserving, as is Mike Massey. I think they're going to be great representatives for the BCA's industry members, too.

I've often wondered if there's an actual real vote. Many organizations I'm familiar with, there's a formal set of rules for nominations. For instance, a motion is called for and then seconded. All those in favor, signify by saying "aye." Then there's a chorus of ayes. All those opposed, signify by saying "nay." And in the end, the ayes have it! :D

JAM [Reading too many Hill transcripts :p ]
 
I am very happy for Robin, she is deserving. Robin has been a good friend and very supportive of all my events.

I just don't understand why they keep putting Earl's name on the ballot and then they don't pick him. It seems to be like salt rubbing into a wound. We have taken poll's here on AZ for years and Earl has always come out on top.
I just don't get it.

JAM ~ I agree, I believe that the whole thing might be secret, and this just shines more light on the subject of them posssibly knowing from the beginning who they were going to pick anyway.

I was a voting member and they do send out a ballot. It's all very professional with the seperate envelopes and all... But again, surely Earl should have aced this award.

Grem ~ Great pic as always. This is one that I have not seen before. Got anymore?

Eydie
 
Bob Romano said:
JAM ~ I agree, I believe that the whole thing might be secret, and this just shines more light on the subject of them posssibly knowing from the beginning who they were going to pick anyway.
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Especially reading this article which came out on January 10th, earlier this year: http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~28541~2644623,00.html

And then the newspaper article first published on Tuesday, December 14, 2004, in Latham: "...While driving in his car Monday afternoon, Mike Massey received the phone call most billiard enthusiasts only dream of getting. He had been named to the sport's Hall of Fame. Not bad for a man whose future was dimmer than pool hall lighting for many years...."

JAM
 
Gremlin said:
JAM,

I have no idea how the vote is taken? How can you read those transcripts as I don't listen to a word the spin doctors have to say.

I am very happy for Robin if it weren't for Jean would have had no competition at all. Mike is very deserving too!

"Gremlin"
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I was a BCA member for years and they mailed one ballot to each member. You checked who you wanted to vote for and send it back. So it was the members who voted Robin in. The BCA always nominates very qualified people and sets the ballot in commitee, but the final vote is by the membership. Congratulations to Robin and Mike. Both well deserving to be there. Earl will get there also, I believe.
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
 
Another thing you must realize is that it is the BCA's Hall of Fame. They'll put in who they want to put in. I can't see Earl losing votes to anybody, but then again, I didn't count the votes.

The players elected this year are very good choices. Robin (Bell) Dodson was a true bright spot for Women's Pool in the 80's and 90's. She is a fearless competitor, and a lady that has a strong, solid value system.

Tennessee Tarzan is also a great addition to the Hall. Mike has always been one of the nicest, most entertaining men our sport has. Mike works harder than anybody I know at marketing the game of pool in a positive light.

Earl will get in eventually, as others have stated. Myself, I would like to see guys like Louie Roberts, Jay Swanson, Tony Ellin, guys that are no longer with us also be considered. And hey, what about Keith? It wouldn't be a Hall of Fame (or should I say there wouldn't be any fun in the Hall Of Fame) without Keith McCready.
 
Blackjack said:
Another thing you must realize is that it is the BCA's Hall of Fame. They'll put in who they want to put in. I can't see Earl losing votes to anybody, but then again, I didn't count the votes.
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Perhaps those slips they send the membership are just "suggestion" forms not actual votes ;-) Do they publish the voting figures? What did the exit polls say? Maybe Earl should be demanding a recount under UN supervision?

Of course now that he's been on the ballot 2 years in a row he'll pretty much have to be a fixture on it every year until they finally elect him. It's not like he won't be any less qualified next year.
 
Gremlin said:
I am very happy for Robin if it weren't for Jean would have had no competition at all.
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Obviously, this isn't so. I've attended WPBA events since the formation of the WPBA in 1976. The Balukas dynasty ended in 1988 and the Fisher dynasty began in 1996. In the seven years in between, meaning 1989-95, Robin earned 15 WPBA titles, while Loree Jon Jones won 17, which would seem to refute that only Jean stood in Robin's way when it came to winning titles. Nonetheless, the title count is just abut even between Robin and Loree Jon in those years between the Jean and Allison dynasties, and it is fitting that both are where they belong, in the BCA HOF.

I'm glad for your post, though, for I think the fans of today are less aware of Robin's fine playing resume than they might be. Robin was a great player, plain and simple, and is a living legend of women's pro pool.

The only sad note today is that Larry Lisciotti, who was an early influence on Robin's game, didn't live to see this day. It would have put a big smile on his face.
 
Nomoney said:
the HOF is a joke now. put everyone in it. even mitch laurence. will this game ever wake up.
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I agree 100%. Five WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS, Six US OPENS and FIVE TIME PLAYER OF THE YEAR. In ANY OTHER SPORT, Earl would have been a mortal lock.JMO,RJ
 
When a ballot goes to a business which is what voting members are, it is possible the person that takes care of the mail might cast the vote. I always made the vote myself when I was a member, but others might let the one taking care of the mail take care of that also. My wife pays most of the bills for our business and if she read the qualifications for the three and since she might relate to Robin more than the other two she would probably check Robin and send it back. Facts are many businesses have women handling the mail and I suspect this type of thing happened at many businesses. Could be wrong but that is a theory of how AZ poll could come up with much different results than the actual BCA vote. Not taking anything away from Robin as she is a great player.
 
recoveryjones said:
I agree 100%. Five WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS, Six US OPENS and FIVE TIME PLAYER OF THE YEAR. In ANY OTHER SPORT, Earl would have been a mortal lock.JMO,RJ
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Yep, just like Pete Rose...lol. When you alienate people this is what you get, right or wrong.
 
Rackin_Zack said:
Yep, just like Pete Rose...lol. When you alienate people this is what you get, right or wrong.
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I've heard the Pete Rose comparison before and no offense Zack, in my opinion (no offense) it's a very poor one. Although his credentials are superlative along side Earls, Pete Rose was banned from baseball for commiting a criminal offense. If Pete didn't bet on baseball game while managing a baseball team, his credentials would have had him in the H.O.F many years ago.

Being a jerk such as Earl can be was never enough to keep John McInroe or Ty Cobb out of there respective Hall of Fames.Last time I looked, their accomplishments at their sport got them both in. RJ
 
Gremlin said:
Hello,I am glad for your post also but in all do respect you don't know what your typing about. According to the Classic Tour there were no official records published before 1990.
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I am trying to be as respectful of you as possible here, Gremlin. I know your'e an ardent fan of women's pro pool, but the records in tournaments dating back to the inception of the WPBA in 1976 have been published often. In fact, you'd find those results in many of the WPBA media guides from years past, some of those media guides quite recent.

Also with due respect, although WPBA.COM shows results back to the beginning of 1990, the WPBA Classic Tour exists only since 1993. Its inaugural event, the Creative Inventions San Francisco Classic, was won by Gerda Hofstatter, a fact that Kerry Impson would be able to confirm if you wish to PM her, and a point often noted by Steve Tipton in his WPBA player introductions of Gerda.

I chose to study performance in the years immediately following Jean's departure because it offers the best insight into whether or not Robin was the best other than Jean at the time of Jean's departure.

FYI:

Loree Jon Jones: 17 Titles 1989-1995
1989 WPBA B.C. Open
1989 WPBA US Open 14.1
1989 WPBA Valley Forge Classic
1990 WPBA B.C. Open
1990 1990 WPBA Nationals
1991 WPBA McDermott Masters
1993 WPBA Sacramento Classic
1993 WPBA Detroit Classic
1993 WPBA Charlotte Classic
1993 WPBA Milwaukee Classic
1993 WPBA Nationals
1993 WPBA WPA World 9-Ball Championship
1995 WPBA Baltimore Billiards Classic
1995 Gordon's 9-Ball Championship
1995 WPBA St Croix Press Classic
1995 Gordon's 9-Ball Championship
1995 Gordon's 9-Ball Championship

Robin Dodson: 15 Titles 1989-1995
1989 WPBA Cleveland Open
1990 WPBA Nationals
1991 WPBA International Classic
1991 WPBA Big Island Classic
1992 WPBA U.S. Open 9-Ball
1993 WPBA Tucson Classic
1993 WPBA Boston Classic
1993 WPBA Riverside Classic
1994 WPBA San Diego Classic
1994 Gordon's Championship
1994 WPBA Atlanta Classic
1995 WPBA BCA Classic
1995 WPBA Kasson Classic
1995 Gordon's 9-Ball Championship
1995 WPBA Connelly Classic

Anyway, I suspect either of us would be a highly qualified WPBA historian.

Finally, as the WPBA Classic Tour will get underway next week, let me take this opportunity to say good luck to all your favorite players for a great season on tour.

Have a nice evening.
 
Blackjack said:
Another thing you must realize is that it is the BCA's Hall of Fame. They'll put in who they want to put in. I can't see Earl losing votes to anybody, but then again, I didn't count the votes.
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Hi, Blackjack! :) In November of 2003, the BCA put out a press release seeking the public's input for the nominations: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000pressrelease.cfm?id=207

It is interesting to note that the BCA Hall of Fame Committee consists of pool print media people. The way I understood the voting process at THAT time is that the public sends in their choices, then the industry members send in their picks, but the ultimate vote is cast by the BCA Hall of Fame Committe, again, consisting of PRINT MEDIA voting members.

Blackjack said:
The players elected this year are very good choices. Robin (Bell) Dodson was a true bright spot for Women's Pool in the 80's and 90's. She is a fearless competitor, and a lady that has a strong, solid value system.
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I only met her one time, but Keith grew up with her in California. When she locked eyeballs with Keith last year at the Super Billiards Expo, his eyes lit right up. She's not only a beautiful lady, but she's very personable. The lady pros had a tough road to hoe in Robin's era, but Robin's got quite an impressive track record. I'd sure like to buy stock in that frog jump cue of hers right now! :p

Blackjack said:
Tennessee Tarzan is also a great addition to the Hall. Mike has always been one of the nicest, most entertaining men our sport has. Mike works harder than anybody I know at marketing the game of pool in a positive light.
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Without a doubt, Mike Massey is very worthy of this honor (IMO).

Blackjack said:
Earl will get in eventually, as others have stated. Myself, I would like to see guys like Louie Roberts, Jay Swanson, Tony Ellin, guys that are no longer with us also be considered. And hey, what about Keith? It wouldn't be a Hall of Fame (or should I say there wouldn't be any fun in the Hall Of Fame) without Keith McCready.
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You're a sweetie pie, Blackjack, and I like your style. ;) I don't think players like Keith, Larry Lisciotti, Cornbread Red, Squirrel, Jimmy Reid, and others of this ilk will ever fit the bill for the BCA's Hall of Fame, but they are definitely some of the more colorful characters that make up the fabric of American pool.

Congratulations to Robin and Mike! I think they're going to be an asset to the BCA, and I wish them success in the coming years. They are American pool greats and very deserving of this honor.

JAM
 
Gremlin said:
Hello,

Thank you so much! Here it is according to the official WPBA stats. One very big error with my origional post was typing Loree Jon had no WPA World Championships. I missed it scrolling but Loree Jon was WPA World Champion in 1993. A sanctioned WPBA event he he he. Here is my list corrected.

Classic Tour Official Tournaments List

Robin Bell Dodson

01. WPA World Championship 1990
02. Brunswick Munich Masters 1991
03. International 9-Ball Classic 1991
04. WPA World Championships 1991
05. Big Island Classic 1991
06. Brunswick Challenge Cup 1992
07. U. S. Open 1992
08. Connelly Tucson Classic 1993
09. Continental Boston Classic 1993
10. World of Leisure Riverside Classic 1993
11. St. Croix Press San Diego Classic 1994
12. Gordon's $50,000 9-Ball Championships 1994
13. Brunswick Atlantic Classic 1994
14. BCA Detroit Classic 1995
15. Kasson Atlantic Classic 1995
16. Gordon's $50,000 Boston 9-Ball 1995
17. Connelly Billiards Denver Classic 1995
18. BCA Minnesota Classic 1998

Loree Jon Jones

01. B. C. Open 1990
02. WPBA National Championships 1990
03. McDermott Masters 1991
04. BCA U.S. Open 14.1 Championships 1992
05. Guad Sacremento Classic 1993
06. PBM Detroit Classic 1993
07. BCA Charlotte Classic 1993
08. McDermott Milwaukee Classic 1993
09. Connelly WPBA World Championship 1993
10. WPA World Championship 1993
11. Baltimore Billiard Classic 1995
12. St. Croix Press twin Cities Classic 1995
13. Gordon's Nashville $50,000 9-Ball 1995
14. Gordon's Chicago $50,000 9-Ball 1995
15. Gordon's San Francisco $50,000 9-Ball 1995
16. Gordon's LA. $50,000 9-Ball 1996

If I add your 1989 unofficial stats they are dead even at 19 each. That seems to me to be a fitting two Hall of famers. he he he But like Baseball I will have to put a note beside it. :D Just kidding! I don't know about you but the tour doesn't have enough cash to pay me to be there historian. LOL Oh,
with all do respect and I am sure you have noticed a closed group of entertainers like the WPBA can call itself anything it wants. (THE WPBA WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP) :eek: Wish your friends good luck also!

"Gremlin" Robin was the best! ;)
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Nice post, and thanks. Seems to corroborate my recollection of how things were back then.

Seems that in its thirtieth year, the WPBA's history breaks down just as simply as this:

1976-88 Jean Balukas dynasty
1989-95 Robin Bell Dodson and Loree Jon Jones - jointly held dynasty
1996-99 Allison Fisher dynasty
2000-03 Allison Fisher and Karen Corr - jointly held dynasty
2004 Five different winners in eight events - Fisher, Corr, Kelly, Kim and Lee

Seems the elite defended their turf extremely well over the years 1976-2003, but something very special happened last year, and, at least for me, it makes 2005 among the most intriguing years ever on tour.
 
JAM said:
I don't think players like Keith, Larry Lisciotti, Cornbread Red, Squirrel, Jimmy Reid, and others of this ilk will ever fit the bill for the BCA's Hall of Fame, but they are definitely some of the more colorful characters that make up the fabric of American pool.
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JAM, no doubt you're right, but all it proves is that you don't have to be in the Hall of Fame to have contributed significantly to and helped paint the landscape of American pocket billiards.

I assure you, the players you've mentioned here won't be forgotten.
 
this is sad, what did massey ever win. besides trick shot competition. did robin ever play the likes of a reyes. the hof is discredited from this point on. what will the headstone of the hof , have on it.
 
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