Difficult Shot...Re. Miscue Limit

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Here’s the illustration referenced above, comparing tip offsets and contact points for center ball, 1/3, 2/3 and 3/3 of maximum offset. I think it illustrates that the clearest way to describe tip position is contact point at fraction of maximum offset (i.e., “1/3 right”, “1/2 top left”, “maximum draw”, etc.).

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Much clearer. Maybe you can indicate graphically how the contact orbits as english is applied.

 

[ShootingArts]

It's good to know 10 and 16 years later, still nobody agrees on what one tip of english is.

Thread 'How Much Is A Tip of English?'

Jun 27, 2015

How much is a "tip" of English? To ask another way: how many tips of English can be applied without miscuing?

I like to think it's 3 tips maximum. That means 1 tip = 1/3 of maximum, which is what you get when you move the shaft's edge to center ball (a common "1st step" for English).

The pics below show the full range of English divided into thirds (white bullseyes) and a 13mm shaft contacting the CB at each of the thirds. Notice that for maximum English the tip's contact patch (about 3mm) extends slightly beyond the tip's edge (this assumes a nickel curvature).

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Thread 'How Much is "1 Tip" of Spin?'

Mar 9, 2009

How many different definitions are there for "1 tip" of spin?

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In over twenty years on the Net I can't think of one thing we debate that we have ever had a large shift of public opinion on!

Here’s the illustration referenced above, comparing tip offsets and contact points for center ball, 1/3, 2/3 and 3/3 of maximum offset. I think it illustrates that the clearest way to describe tip position is contact point at fraction of maximum offset (i.e., “1/3 right”, “1/2 top left”, “maximum draw”, etc.).

pj
chgo

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One trick I used long ago that would work even better with CF shafts, I put a temporary mark on my ferrule and rotated it to indicate the true contact point on the cue ball.

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[Patrick Johnson]

One trick I used long ago that would work even better with CF shafts, I put a temporary mark on my ferrule and rotated it to indicate the true contact point on the cue ball.

I like it. Sounds like a good way to train yourself to see it.

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Much clearer. Maybe you can indicate graphically how the contact orbits as english is applied.

I added a note about that to the post.