Discussing CTE with Stan Shuffett

8pack said:
Many understand and have Stans video's. How would any kind of debate prove anything.
The only thing we share with the system are the directions. This part isn't what troubles many.
Stan makes 5 different shots with the same lineup. It should be very clear all share the same relationship between them. The only difference is the angle to the pocket.

Would it be fair to say something should change for each shot to be made? Stan states his system is a center pocket system , no adjusting but yet he pulled off the 5 shots. Now if I were to do this, it wouldn't happen unless I adjusted after down or started out somewhere at the A but not really locking on any certain part until it looks right. The A may be closer to B then what it really is. And if this is happening, your somewhat guessing..not good for the system.

Stan making any shot with his system doesn't prove anything, is not about his skills as a player. Whats being questioned is how he can take the same directions for his system as we do, but yet a lot of us come to a different conclusion as he does and we've followed the directions to a t. I had the dvds any many more probably did to.
Cte isn't rocket science and its not hard to follow whats he's saying. Its seeing what he's seeing, just dont happen for me unless I adjust somewhere.

Yes I know, none of us have ever been properly trained with cte.:)
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Live with witnesses everyone could clearly see "adjusting" if it is actually present.

If you know CTE you haven't proven it.
 
8pack said:
Many understand and have Stans video's. How would any kind of debate prove anything.
The only thing we share with the system are the directions. This part isn't what troubles many.
Stan makes 5 different shots with the same lineup. It should be very clear all share the same relationship between them. The only difference is the angle to the pocket.

Would it be fair to say something should change for each shot to be made? Stan states his system is a center pocket system , no adjusting but yet he pulled off the 5 shots. Now if I were to do this, it wouldn't happen unless I adjusted after down or started out somewhere at the A but not really locking on any certain part until it looks right. The A may be closer to B then what it really is. And if this is happening, your somewhat guessing..not good for the system.

Stan making any shot with his system doesn't prove anything, is not about his skills as a player. Whats being questioned is how he can take the same directions for his system as we do, but yet a lot of us come to a different conclusion as he does and we've followed the directions to a t. I had the dvds any many more probably did to.
Cte isn't rocket science and its not hard to follow whats he's saying. Its seeing what he's seeing, just dont happen for me unless I adjust somewhere.

Yes I know, none of us have ever been properly trained with cte.:)
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Actually, the directions are what trouble many. You may really believe that you are following the directions to a "t", but it is obvious that you aren't by your followup question and by the fact that you can't make all 5 balls while others can.

You ask if it would be fair to say that something has to change to make all 5 shots. I read that, and to be honest, I have to shake my head. I don't understand anyone asking that question, when it has been stated so many times that something does have to change, and that is ones perspective of the shot.

Again, the visuals stay the same, the perspective changes for each of the shots.
 
JB Cases said:
Live with witnesses everyone could clearly see "adjusting" if it is actually present.

If you know CTE you haven't proven it.
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Do you actually believe this?:scratchhead:

What I know is if the dvd's don't click for you it must be your own fault.
Right smart guy.
 
JB Cases said:
All I know is I spent an hour on my table with 4.25" pockets and CTE helps me aim to pocket balls cleanly on it. Anyone wants to get into a debate live with a pool table with Stan they can bet high because I will empty OUT if there is an independent panel of judges to determine the winner of the debate.

I don't care what the terminology is. I am convinced that Stan in person will EASILY prove whatever he asserts to be true concerning CTE.

Stan, this gives me an idea. Let's actually arrange to do this live and we will pick out every negative assertion that all these people have made. We don't really need them to be there since we have their words. There is nothing physical they can add to the debate anyway.
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First bold: If it is so easy to prove the system "in person" then why has he not been able to do so on a YouTube video?

Second bold: It'll never happen. Stan has been asked over and over what he meant by that video. When you ask too many questions and get too close to the flame Stan will burn you. You caught a whiff of that then you suggested that Stan give me phone instruction, then you had to apologize to the sensei for suggesting such a thing.

It would be nice if actual explanations would be given instead of impractical non-answers like "Stan will destroy you at the table" or "you have to practice and learn it thoroughly at the table."

Neil suggested a test where I set up a ghost ball and pivot to the right so that I could see the correct visual. I didn't do the test and he chided me for that. I went ahead and did the test and reported my results with no follow up from Neil.

Any time anybody gets close to an actual answer to a question they get burned for one trumped reason or another.

Happy Thanksgiving!

(regretting this post already)
 
Dan White said:
Any time anybody gets close to an actual answer to a question they get burned for one trumped reason or another.
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Not anybody. Just those who have posted ignorant stuff pointed towards Stan.
Let's be honest, given the history of CTE threads on here why should any answer to any question be given.
 
cookie man said:
Not anybody. Just those who have posted ignorant stuff pointed towards Stan.
Let's be honest, given the history of CTE threads on here why should any answer to any question be given.
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Yet Stan did answer my question, the one I posted over and over:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5321812&postcount=1615

I didn't understand the answer he gave as it seemed to contradict his whole method. I asked some follow up questions politely and direct to the issue without any accusation (see the first post of this thread). That provoked an unfortunate reply from Stan. So why did he bother answering my question in the first place if he had no intention of entertaining legitimate follow up questions?

How about you answer the questions for him? Clearly you are an expert CTE user and you should be able to knock it out of the park. I'd even like to see a YouTube video explaining the answer. Maybe others would be helped by that, too.
 
JB Cases said:
All I know is I spent an hour on my table with 4.25" pockets and CTE helps me aim to pocket balls cleanly on it. Anyone wants to get into a debate live with a pool table with Stan they can bet high because I will empty OUT if there is an independent panel of judges to determine the winner of the debate.
Why dont you stsrt with Bill Stroud betting on shots?
I don't care what the terminology is. I am convinced that Stan in person will EASILY prove whatever he asserts to be true concerning CTE.
He convinced you before and you lost $10,000. I'm not impressed.
Stan, this gives me an idea. Let's actually arrange to do this live and we will pick out every negative assertion that all these people have made. We don't really need them to be there since we have their words. There is nothing physical they can add to the debate anyway.
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https://youtu.be/Ob7nx4BAJb0

Yes, shows are much better live than on video. If you bring a beautiful assistant I might even come watch.
 
Dan White said:
Yet Stan did answer my question, the one I posted over and over:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5321812&postcount=1615

I didn't understand the answer he gave as it seemed to contradict his whole method. I asked some follow up questions politely and direct to the issue without any accusation (see the first post of this thread). That provoked an unfortunate reply from Stan. So why did he bother answering my question in the first place if he had no intention of entertaining legitimate follow up questions?

How about you answer the questions for him? Clearly you are an expert CTE user and you should be able to knock it out of the park. I'd even like to see a YouTube video explaining the answer. Maybe others would be helped by that, too.
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From someone who has claimed numerous times that he has never made it a habit of participating in threads of this nature over the last 20 years. you seem to be contradicting your own words and behavior by now making it a habit.

You're starting to mimic the Rolling Stones. Their first farewell tour was around the late 70's or early 80's but they keep coming back and are still doing it 35 years later with each one also being the final farewell tour.

They can be forgiven because the worldwide public wants it and they enjoy what they do on stage.

Your act was never very good to begin with and is now stale and moldy. When the Stones are on stage they get calls and chants for an ENCORE. I don't think anyone is calling out ENCORE for your posts that serve no purpose.

It would be nice if a stagehand could be behind the curtain with an 8' long cane to hook around your neck and drag you off the platform once and for all since you can't seem to follow through with your words.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Too dishonest; didn't read.

pj
chgo
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Doesn't bother me in the slightest what you think. Don't read it and don't come back.

You're one of the most dishonest individuals in the history of forums for over 20 years in order to vilify others or promote your own agenda as a pool know it all.
 
Dan White said:
First bold: If it is so easy to prove the system "in person" then why has he not been able to do so on a YouTube video?

Second bold: It'll never happen. Stan has been asked over and over what he meant by that video. When you ask too many questions and get too close to the flame Stan will burn you. You caught a whiff of that then you suggested that Stan give me phone instruction, then you had to apologize to the sensei for suggesting such a thing.

It would be nice if actual explanations would be given instead of impractical non-answers like "Stan will destroy you at the table" or "you have to practice and learn it thoroughly at the table."

Neil suggested a test where I set up a ghost ball and pivot to the right so that I could see the correct visual. I didn't do the test and he chided me for that. I went ahead and did the test and reported my results with no follow up from Neil.

Any time anybody gets close to an actual answer to a question they get burned for one trumped reason or another.

Happy Thanksgiving!

(regretting this post already)
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Where is your follow up post on it? I didn't see it.

Nevermind, I found it. Well, if you can't even reverse engineer it, then forget about it and use something else.
 
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Dan White said:
Yet Stan did answer my question, the one I posted over and over:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5321812&postcount=1615

I didn't understand the answer he gave as it seemed to contradict his whole method. I asked some follow up questions politely and direct to the issue without any accusation (see the first post of this thread). That provoked an unfortunate reply from Stan. So why did he bother answering my question in the first place if he had no intention of entertaining legitimate follow up questions?

How about you answer the questions for him? Clearly you are an expert CTE user and you should be able to knock it out of the park. I'd even like to see a YouTube video explaining the answer. Maybe others would be helped by that, too.
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I'm not an instructor and Stan didn't certify me to teach CTE so I will not be making any instructional video.
The first post of this thread? How about all the other derogatory posts?

PS Can you make any balls, without adjustment, with CTE?
 
Dan White said:
Yet Stan did answer my question, the one I posted over and over:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=5321812&postcount=1615

I didn't understand the answer he gave as it seemed to contradict his whole method. I asked some follow up questions politely and direct to the issue without any accusation (see the first post of this thread). That provoked an unfortunate reply from Stan. So why did he bother answering my question in the first place if he had no intention of entertaining legitimate follow up questions?

How about you answer the questions for him? Clearly you are an expert CTE user and you should be able to knock it out of the park. I'd even like to see a YouTube video explaining the answer. Maybe others would be helped by that, too.
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I tried to help and got this answer:
"I keep scratching my head trying to figure out how, in the perception video, Stan is able to get a different result by using the same visuals and the same 1/2 tip left sweep. This has been the crux of the problem for a lot of people. Then I think cookie man sent me a video discussing left and right pivots as a means to change the direction of the shot with the same visual. However, I didn't pay attention to that because in the video Stan says specifically that he is using the same left pivot for every shot:" from you.
You don't learn pieces of the system, you learn everything if you have a real interest.
 
Neil said:
Where is your follow up post on it? I didn't see it.

Nevermind, I found it. Well, if you can't even reverse engineer it, then forget about it and use something else.
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Whether I can use it or not doesn't change the question, which still hasn't been addressed.
 
cookie man said:
I'm not an instructor and Stan didn't certify me to teach CTE so I will not be making any instructional video.
The first post of this thread? How about all the other derogatory posts?

PS Can you make any balls, without adjustment, with CTE?
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Where did I post something derogatory? The only thing I did was suggest Stan's skills were lacking if he couldn't clearly explain the most controversial part of his method. The one where he's making thousands of dollars selling (and I'm the one with an agenda?). I only did this when he obviously ignored my questions about this problem. Eventually he did answer back (thank you, Stan) and I started this thread. Apparently I was so insulting and aggressive that I became persona non grata.

I can make balls with CTE when the aim created by the method happens to line up to a pocket. Maybe I'm doing it wrong, maybe not. Either way the questions stand on their own.
 
cookie man said:
I tried to help and got this answer:
"I keep scratching my head trying to figure out how, in the perception video, Stan is able to get a different result by using the same visuals and the same 1/2 tip left sweep. This has been the crux of the problem for a lot of people. Then I think cookie man sent me a video discussing left and right pivots as a means to change the direction of the shot with the same visual. However, I didn't pay attention to that because in the video Stan says specifically that he is using the same left pivot for every shot:" from you.
You don't learn pieces of the system, you learn everything if you have a real interest.
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So what's the problem? I watched the video and I understand it. Why doesn't Stan need to use this method with the 5 shot video? Not sure why you keep coming back to this argument because it doesn't address the question I asked.
 
Dan White said:
So what's the problem? I watched the video and I understand it. Why doesn't Stan need to use this method with the 5 shot video? Not sure why you keep coming back to this argument because it doesn't address the question I asked.
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Mick Jagger White is back singing the same worn and out of tune song.
 
Originally Posted by nfuids:
Stan, any way we can get a list of these, so I can better follow your DVDs?

Thanks
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stan shuffett said:
The 1 or 2 errors on DVD1 have already been noted At this point just play ALL of the shots on DVD2 just as stated and you will be fine........Of the 75 shots, there MAY be 2 or so that can determined as incorrect only because of new sighting info that occurs in full stance closer to the source of the shot....

Stan Shuffett
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Translation: NO.
 
(((Satori))) said:
https://youtu.be/Ob7nx4BAJb0

Yes, shows are much better live than on video. If you bring a beautiful assistant I might even come watch.
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Love this guy.

Bill Stroud has ACTION with Stan all day every day.

Had I played my normal game against Lou I would have beaten him easily. CTE kept me in the game.

If you care to put up the 20k and can get Lou to OKC then you can try and win some too betting against CTE.
 
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