disgraceful is what it is!!!!

wayne said:
In case anyone is interested in Cleary's work as a motion graphic artist I found this reel http://andrewcleary.com/motion/.
I am not sure what motion graphic art is but it seems to put pictures into motion.
It looks like his work might be pretty good but I don't know how to judge.
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Is Andrew Cleary getting married to Kanye West? That's all I got out of this video.

How exactly do you suppose you can improve Accustats Cleary?

Honestly, what would you do to make it "better"? I think that as a production company dedicated to one sport they have definitely set the standard and raised the bar many times.

Just because you got some graphics arts gigs doesn't make you an expert in video production. On top of that it's NOT AccuStats productions that you see on TV - it's ESPN's for the most part and THEY are horrible.

If Accustats' productions were used then I am sure the profile of pool would jump considerably as people would get to see every ball and get to hear exactly what pool is about instead of the fluff on ESPN productions.

I could see where you might be able to make some cool graphics that appeal to Gen X but how would you make the taping and presentation of the game better than Pat Fleming is doing?

This was truly a sucker punch with no basis. As an artist Pat is the kind of guy you look up to - someone who scrabbled and did his own thing to bring out good stuff. Don't apologize in a backhanded way "if it makes you feel better", do it in the right way by giving props to the one person who has truly brought and preserved REAL POOL for all of us who love it.
 
Respect Your Elders

I have seen a few people in this thread question Grady's displeasure at not being invited to the 14.1 tournament. They wonder why he should be invited, as they feel that he is no threat to win the tournament and the future of pool is the hands of the younger players. While this may be true, it is certainly not the correct or only answer.... imo

Tonight I watched the first episode of this year's WSOP (World Series Of Poker) $10,000 Main event. 74 year old Doyle Brunson was playing in a field of over 6300 players, most of them much younger and the players that will carry poker on to new heights. Doyle Brunson won the WSOP Main event two years in a row ('76 & '77). It has been THIRTY YEARS since he has won the event and he was unlikely to win it this year, but he played and tried.

Doyle was knocked out early in the tournament by a younger player. As he rose to leave, a small smattering of applause began. Without encouragement, the applause grew to a crescendo of thunderous proportions, as the entire room applauded loudly (with many standing). The horde of people applauded Doyle, not for winning the tournament or making the Final table, but for simply participating. They applauded his past accomplishments, his Championships and what he brought to the game.

I think that Grady should be included (by invitation) to participate in 14.1 tournaments, as a sign of respect for what he has' brought to the game' during his lifetime. You might ask, if Grady, why not Varner, Rempe, Sigel, etc. ?
To this, I also ask, why not Varner, Rempe, Sigel, etc., they are all deserving of the applause and respect of the young players of today.

You can't sweep the older players aside, only to to put a younger face on pool. Sure, the younger players of today have some great stars among them, many with a bright future, but the road that they face ahead was paved by the blood, sweat and tears of the great players of yesteryear. Many of whom have passed on, but not all.

The competitive fire still burns in the old warriors and they may have a flashback and display some incredible feat. But, even if they don't, they deserve to leave the tournament floor to a rousing applause for their effort to perform at the highest level once again for the players and the spectators.

Grady, Billy, Rempe, Varner, Sigel, Hall, etc. are the ambassadors of our chosen sport and should be recognized as such. They should be applauded simply for walking into the venue and making an appearance. It doesn't cost ANYTHING to be respectful.
Doug
( this is MY opinon, do with it as you please )
 
ShootingArts said:
JAM,

I run a couple of freebies pretty regularly on my computer, Ad Aware Personal and C(rap)Cleaner. CCleaner can be set up to spare some cookies but I just let it rip. A warning if you do that, be sure you know all your passwords because you will have to relogin everywhere. It cleans out all cookies, temporary files, and anything like auto-complete files that trojans commonly monitor. These programs aren't virus protection but they clean up tons of junk and keep my machine running with less hick-ups and a lot faster since all those sneaky little trojans aren't dragging down the machine.

Let me know if you can't find them on the net to download and I'll dig. I don't have them bookmarked but I'm sure I can find them. I'm thinking about upgrading to full time monitoring with CCleaner for twenty bucks, I like it.

Hu
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Thanks for the info! :)

Yesterday, I got rid of all my temporary files and cookies, as well as turning my computer off and on a few times. Then last night, I could get to the AzBilliards Main Page, but when I clicked Forum, it would not go to the Forum.

This morning, everything seems to be back to normal. :p

I am wondering if it has something to do with the browser I am using. I know many people use other browsers than IE, but I'm an IE girl currently.

JAM
 
Smorgass Bored said:
BTW, unbelievably I have just learned that Keith is, in fact, "a member of the SAG organization," whatever that is.
JAM

I believe that my grandmother and my great grandmother (and later in life, my second wife) all belonged to SAG , nothing to do with screen actors, they just SAGGED.
Doug
( I just looked in the full length mirror and realized that I now belong also. How are you *holding up, JAM ) :) :)



* Holding UP is the key..... imo
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I'm still hanging in there! :D

JAM
 
Smorgass Bored said:
I have seen a few people in this thread question Grady's displeasure at not being invited to the 14.1 tournament. They wonder why he should be invited, as they feel that he is no threat to win the tournament and the future of pool is the hands of the younger players. While this may be true, it is certainly not the correct or only answer.... imo

Tonight I watched the first episode of this year's WSOP (World Series Of Poker) $10,000 Main event. 74 year old Doyle Brunson was playing in a field of over 6300 players, most of them much younger and the players that will carry poker on to new heights. Doyle Brunson won the WSOP Main event two years in a row ('76 & '77). It has been THIRTY YEARS since he has won the event and he was unlikely to win it this year, but he played and tried.

Doyle was knocked out early in the tournament by a younger player. As he rose to leave, a small smattering of applause began. Without encouragement, the applause grew to a crescendo of thunderous proportions, as the entire room applauded loudly (with many standing). The horde of people applauded Doyle, not for winning the tournament or making the Final table, but for simply participating. They applauded his past accomplishments, his Championships and what he brought to the game.

I think that Grady should be included (by invitation) to participate in 14.1 tournaments, as a sign of respect for what he has' brought to the game' during his lifetime. You might ask, if Grady, why not Varner, Rempe, Sigel, etc. ?
To this, I also ask, why not Varner, Rempe, Sigel, etc., they are all deserving of the applause and respect of the young players of today.

You can't sweep the older players aside, only to to put a younger face on pool. Sure, the younger players of today have some great stars among them, many with a bright future, but the road that they face ahead was paved by the blood, sweat and tears of the great players of yesteryear. Many of whom have passed on, but not all.

The competitive fire still burns in the old warriors and they may have a flashback and display some incredible feat. But, even if they don't, they deserve to leave the tournament floor to a rousing applause for their effort to perform at the highest level once again for the players and the spectators.

Grady, Billy, Rempe, Varner, Sigel, Hall, etc. are the ambassadors of our chosen sport and should be recognized as such. They should be applauded simply for walking into the venue and making an appearance. It doesn't cost ANYTHING to be respectful.
Doug
( this is MY opinon, do with it as you please )
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Haven't you heard? Sex sells. Good pool does not. Therefore, it seems prudent to some pool promoters to hand-pick young girls from other countries to compete in "World" Championships, as they believe this attracts the masses.

At the IPT tournament, men had to endure wearing hard leather shoes, long-sleeved shirts, suits and ties. The women, on the other hand, could wear as much or little as they wanted to. There did not seem to be a dress code for women. In fact, the less they wore, the better, in some circles.

There is not much respect from some entities for pool champions, especially when they age. In fact, some UPA representatives/players have stated that it was their goal to get rid of the old-school players from the organization, which is why you don't see some older champions being invited to various tournament from time to time today by a handful of pool promoters. This was relayed to me by a UPA member who heard it from the mouth of a UPA player representative. I have never forgotten it. :mad:

JAM
 
Smorgass Bored said:
I have seen a few people in this thread question Grady's displeasure at not being invited to the 14.1 tournament. They wonder why he should be invited, as they feel that he is no threat to win the tournament and the future of pool is the hands of the younger players. While this may be true, it is certainly not the correct or only answer.... imo

Tonight I watched the first episode of this year's WSOP (World Series Of Poker) $10,000 Main event. 74 year old Doyle Brunson was playing in a field of over 6300 players, most of them much younger and the players that will carry poker on to new heights. Doyle Brunson won the WSOP Main event two years in a row ('76 & '77). It has been THIRTY YEARS since he has won the event and he was unlikely to win it this year, but he played and tried.

Doyle was knocked out early in the tournament by a younger player. As he rose to leave, a small smattering of applause began. Without encouragement, the applause grew to a crescendo of thunderous proportions, as the entire room applauded loudly (with many standing). The horde of people applauded Doyle, not for winning the tournament or making the Final table, but for simply participating. They applauded his past accomplishments, his Championships and what he brought to the game.

I think that Grady should be included (by invitation) to participate in 14.1 tournaments, as a sign of respect for what he has' brought to the game' during his lifetime. You might ask, if Grady, why not Varner, Rempe, Sigel, etc. ?
To this, I also ask, why not Varner, Rempe, Sigel, etc., they are all deserving of the applause and respect of the young players of today.

You can't sweep the older players aside, only to to put a younger face on pool. Sure, the younger players of today have some great stars among them, many with a bright future, but the road that they face ahead was paved by the blood, sweat and tears of the great players of yesteryear. Many of whom have passed on, but not all.

The competitive fire still burns in the old warriors and they may have a flashback and display some incredible feat. But, even if they don't, they deserve to leave the tournament floor to a rousing applause for their effort to perform at the highest level once again for the players and the spectators.

Grady, Billy, Rempe, Varner, Sigel, Hall, etc. are the ambassadors of our chosen sport and should be recognized as such. They should be applauded simply for walking into the venue and making an appearance. It doesn't cost ANYTHING to be respectful.
Doug
( this is MY opinon, do with it as you please )
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Thank you for an awesome post. Rep to you, sir!

Flex
 
JAM said:
Thanks for the info! :)

Yesterday, I got rid of all my temporary files and cookies, as well as turning my computer off and on a few times. Then last night, I could get to the AzBilliards Main Page, but when I clicked Forum, it would not go to the Forum.

This morning, everything seems to be back to normal. :p

I am wondering if it has something to do with the browser I am using. I know many people use other browsers than IE, but I'm an IE girl currently.

JAM
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I had the same problem but it cleared up sometime during the evening.
 
Smorgass Bored said:
I have seen a few people in this thread question Grady's displeasure at not being invited to the 14.1 tournament. They wonder why he should be invited, as they feel that he is no threat to win the tournament and the future of pool is the hands of the younger players. While this may be true, it is certainly not the correct or only answer.... imo

Tonight I watched the first episode of this year's WSOP (World Series Of Poker) $10,000 Main event. 74 year old Doyle Brunson was playing in a field of over 6300 players, most of them much younger and the players that will carry poker on to new heights. Doyle Brunson won the WSOP Main event two years in a row ('76 & '77). It has been THIRTY YEARS since he has won the event and he was unlikely to win it this year, but he played and tried.

Doyle was knocked out early in the tournament by a younger player. As he rose to leave, a small smattering of applause began. Without encouragement, the applause grew to a crescendo of thunderous proportions, as the entire room applauded loudly (with many standing). The horde of people applauded Doyle, not for winning the tournament or making the Final table, but for simply participating. They applauded his past accomplishments, his Championships and what he brought to the game.

I think that Grady should be included (by invitation) to participate in 14.1 tournaments, as a sign of respect for what he has' brought to the game' during his lifetime. You might ask, if Grady, why not Varner, Rempe, Sigel, etc. ?
To this, I also ask, why not Varner, Rempe, Sigel, etc., they are all deserving of the applause and respect of the young players of today.

You can't sweep the older players aside, only to to put a younger face on pool. Sure, the younger players of today have some great stars among them, many with a bright future, but the road that they face ahead was paved by the blood, sweat and tears of the great players of yesteryear. Many of whom have passed on, but not all.

The competitive fire still burns in the old warriors and they may have a flashback and display some incredible feat. But, even if they don't, they deserve to leave the tournament floor to a rousing applause for their effort to perform at the highest level once again for the players and the spectators.

Grady, Billy, Rempe, Varner, Sigel, Hall, etc. are the ambassadors of our chosen sport and should be recognized as such. They should be applauded simply for walking into the venue and making an appearance. It doesn't cost ANYTHING to be respectful.
Doug
( this is MY opinon, do with it as you please )
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Reps for Doug! Tap Tap Tap!!!!!
 
JAM said:
Thanks for the info! :)

Yesterday, I got rid of all my temporary files and cookies, as well as turning my computer off and on a few times. Then last night, I could get to the AzBilliards Main Page, but when I clicked Forum, it would not go to the Forum.

This morning, everything seems to be back to normal. :p

I am wondering if it has something to do with the browser I am using. I know many people use other browsers than IE, but I'm an IE girl currently.

JAM
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The Windows operating system is well known for memory quirks. Simply rebooting your computer from time to time, or whenever you notice that the computer isn't behaving as it should, will oftentimes resolve the problem your having.
 
PoolSharkAllen said:
The Windows operating system is well known for memory quirks. Simply rebooting your computer from time to time, or whenever you notice that the computer isn't behaving as it should, will oftentimes resolve the problem your having.
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I think you're right. I did give it the old "boot" a few times yesterday. Today, it is smooth sailing with no problems. Thanks for the info!

I'm thinking about getting me a new laptop. I have a Windows 98 laptop that I need for work because I can "shut down" into a full DOS screen. The Windows DOS screen just doesn't seem to handle my court-reporting software I need when producing condensed transcripts.

I recently bought a router for 30 bucks, so that my brother could use his laptop in my home. He has a wireless card in it. I am going to buy me a laptop with XP operating system and a wireless card because my Internet computer is occupied most every single evening by Keith playing poker.

I don't like the laptop mouse at all or the laptop keyboards. I can't type as fast on those. So I will probably hook up a normal-size keyboard and real mouse to the laptop. I now own 5 computers, each serving a different function, one for bulk printing, one for Internet use, one for full DOS shut-downs, et cetera, but still find a need to purchase a sixth one. LOL! :D

JAM
 
Smorgass Bored said:
I have seen a few people in this thread question Grady's displeasure at not being invited to the 14.1 tournament. They wonder why he should be invited, as they feel that he is no threat to win the tournament and the future of pool is the hands of the younger players. While this may be true, it is certainly not the correct or only answer.... imo

Tonight I watched the first episode of this year's WSOP (World Series Of Poker) $10,000 Main event. 74 year old Doyle Brunson was playing in a field of over 6300 players, most of them much younger and the players that will carry poker on to new heights. Doyle Brunson won the WSOP Main event two years in a row ('76 & '77). It has been THIRTY YEARS since he has won the event and he was unlikely to win it this year, but he played and tried.

Doyle was knocked out early in the tournament by a younger player. As he rose to leave, a small smattering of applause began. Without encouragement, the applause grew to a crescendo of thunderous proportions, as the entire room applauded loudly (with many standing). The horde of people applauded Doyle, not for winning the tournament or making the Final table, but for simply participating. They applauded his past accomplishments, his Championships and what he brought to the game.

I think that Grady should be included (by invitation) to participate in 14.1 tournaments, as a sign of respect for what he has' brought to the game' during his lifetime. You might ask, if Grady, why not Varner, Rempe, Sigel, etc. ?
To this, I also ask, why not Varner, Rempe, Sigel, etc., they are all deserving of the applause and respect of the young players of today.

You can't sweep the older players aside, only to to put a younger face on pool. Sure, the younger players of today have some great stars among them, many with a bright future, but the road that they face ahead was paved by the blood, sweat and tears of the great players of yesteryear. Many of whom have passed on, but not all.

The competitive fire still burns in the old warriors and they may have a flashback and display some incredible feat. But, even if they don't, they deserve to leave the tournament floor to a rousing applause for their effort to perform at the highest level once again for the players and the spectators.

Grady, Billy, Rempe, Varner, Sigel, Hall, etc. are the ambassadors of our chosen sport and should be recognized as such. They should be applauded simply for walking into the venue and making an appearance. It doesn't cost ANYTHING to be respectful.
Doug
( this is MY opinon, do with it as you please )
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Doug, I have to agree that we should respect players like Grady, all of the others mentioned and more. However, your comparison between the World Series of Poker and the World 14.1 Championship is flawed.
The WSOP has over 6,000 entrants, not the limited number of players included in the World 14.1 Championships. Yes, it would be great if all of the senior members of the pool world, as well as all of the up and coming wanabes could be included in a tournament, however, with the game of pool it is just not practical. In the game of pool, there has to be a limit on the number of entrants, especially in a 14.1 tournament. To produce the best possible world championship tournament, the "best of the best" should be included, which leaves out many others.
And, before you say it, I know that all entrants in the World 14.1 Championship were not the "best of the best". That is an issue for another thread and you would have to get those responsible for choosing the players involved.
To stick with this issue, Grady has a long and respected history in the pool world. However, he is no longer competitive on the top levels. Yes, we should respect his history, but that should not give him automatic entry into top level tournaments.
My wish is that Grady would accept his position in pool history, with class, and stop bad mouthing everyone who does not provide him with an invitation to a top event.
 
I disagree Rich. It's possible to run a tournament with as many players as want to play. The only true limit is the imagination of the promoters. Back in the day world championship 14.1 tournaments used to be decided over a six month period in which many regional events were held to determin who earned the right to play in the final event. All of the regionals as well as the final event were round robins and were reported as national news.

It is disingenious to call a tournament a "World Championship" simply because you can.

Perhaps Grady Matthews does not deserve an automatic invite but then neither does anyone else in that case.

It would certainly be both possible and feasible to include the legends of the game if the promoters WANTED to.

Say what you will about the IPT but that is ONE THING they did right and honorably.

They put more money into the game and paid out more than any other promoter in recent memory including the famous IPT hater Randy Goldwater , the gazillionaire from New York.

With some creativity and honest promotion there could be a truly credible World Championship full of players who earned their spots. Not one that includes some personal friends and favorites in the clique.

As long as players with barely a fraction of Grady's stature are "invited" then players of Grady's stature should not have to qualify to be included in such events.
 
John Barton said:
I disagree Rich. It's possible to run a tournament with as many players as want to play. The only true limit is the imagination of the promoters. Back in the day world championship 14.1 tournaments used to be decided over a six month period in which many regional events were held to determin who earned the right to play in the final event. All of the regionals as well as the final event were round robins and were reported as national news.

It is disingenious to call a tournament a "World Championship" simply because you can.

Perhaps Grady Matthews does not deserve an automatic invite but then neither does anyone else in that case.

It would certainly be both possible and feasible to include the legends of the game if the promoters WANTED to.

Say what you will about the IPT but that is ONE THING they did right and honorably.

They put more money into the game and paid out more than any other promoter in recent memory including the famous IPT hater Randy Goldwater , the gazillionaire from New York.

With some creativity and honest promotion there could be a truly credible World Championship full of players who earned their spots. Not one that includes some personal friends and favorites in the clique.

As long as players with barely a fraction of Grady's stature are "invited" then players of Grady's stature should not have to qualify to be included in such events.
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Very well said, as usual! :)

I think Rich was comparing pool tournaments to poker tournaments, meaning that poker tournaments do get thousands of entrants. This would not be possible for pool to have over a thousand entrants, unless you had a couple weeks and 100-plus tables dedicated to the pool event! :o

JAM
 
As far as no longer competitive goes:

Mike Lebron won the US Open at like 50 something

Wille Mosconi came out of retirement to win or take second at another world championship in his 60s i believe.

Buddy Hall won the US Open as an older player.

Jimmy Moore was still able to run 100 balls a day into his 80s.

Exactly what makes Grady Matthews not competitive? Especially in Straight Pool?

I don't see anyone beating down his door to bet against him in straight pool.

If anyone likes Megan Minerich, Yu Ram Cha, or Jeanette Lee against Grady I will glady bet as much money as I can possibly gather for a 1500 point session on Grady. In fact, I will take Grady against a lot of other players in the field as well. Someone post a list of the participants in the recent 14.1 "World Championship" and I will highlight all the players I will bet against if anyone thinks Grady is not competitive at 14.1.
 
John Barton said:
They put more money into the game and paid out more than any other promoter in recent memory including the famous IPT hater Randy Goldwater , the gazillionaire from New York.
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Why bashing Randy Goldwater? If it wasn't for him there would be no 14-1 Championship at all...
 
John Barton said:
As long as players with barely a fraction of Grady's stature are "invited" then players of Grady's stature should not have to qualify to be included in such events.
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John,

I was invited. Are you saying that I can't play?
 
JAM said:
Very well said, as usual! :)

I think Rich was comparing pool tournaments to poker tournaments, meaning that poker tournaments do get thousands of entrants. This would not be possible for pool to have over a thousand entrants, unless you had a couple weeks and 100-plus tables dedicated to the pool event! :o

JAM
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Thank you. Of course it would be possible. With imagination. For example the pool tournament could be spread out over many venues. All of the venues could be overseen by a tournament committee that was responsible for making sure that all the tables in all the rooms are correctly outfitted.

Those would be the preliminary rounds and the final rounds could be held with those that made it through - those that EARNED it - in a dedicated venue with ample spectator accommodation.

The BCA, APA, and VNEA hold dozens of tournaments for 1000+ players each year and notably 3 which boast more than 5000 players. I am not saying it's easy but it is far from impossible and quite a ways from impractical to have an all inclusive event that no one is barred from and everyone has an equal shot at.
 
just curious, but how good was Grady in his prime?(in straight pool) i'm not a pool historian, and don't know much about him. if somebody more computer savvy then me could list some of his accomplishments as a player it would be appreciated!...........Jeremy
 
John Barton said:
Thank you. Of course it would be possible. With imagination. For example the pool tournament could be spread out over many venues. All of the venues could be overseen by a tournament committee that was responsible for making sure that all the tables in all the rooms are correctly outfitted.

Those would be the preliminary rounds and the final rounds could be held with those that made it through - those that EARNED it - in a dedicated venue with ample spectator accommodation.

The BCA, APA, and VNEA hold dozens of tournaments for 1000+ players each year and notably 3 which boast more than 5000 players. I am not saying it's easy but it is far from impossible and quite a ways from impractical to have an all inclusive event that no one is barred from and everyone has an equal shot at.
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That would be the correct way of doing it, no doubt.

32 qualifiers around the world, 2 players proceed from each and you have 64 winners to meet in New Jersey for the World Championship!
 
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