DMIRO Tour News
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I am having email trouble right now. Can someone please email Mike and ask him what will happen with all of the money that was taken from the prize pools to be added to the year end event at the expo? Last6 I heard I was in a free roll at this year's SBE, now it seems there will be no such tournament.
I was wondering the same thing since I qualified for the tournament
Email him and post reply here since he is being a ****.
Sorry to hear this. Hope you do some good in Haiti.
Another lie
I am so furious about this right now, that all I can say is I hope you understand that you lied to everyone you duped into entering into your events.
I could have gone and supported a LEGITIMATE tournament, the NYC championship at skyline, the same weekend I played this tournament. which may be one reason you didn't get the 50 ppl you were hoping for in the NYC area. Don't pawn off responsibility that what you hoped would happen didn't. if you would have had better planning and probably did better research you would have succeeded. but it seems to me that you just wanted to have fun and have no responsibilities.
I think you should split the money that you kept out of the pot and break it up evenly between all the ppl who played in the event that don't have sponsors.
This is terrible, and it is unfortunate that Haiti is a convienent excuse to let you get out of being truthful. you are a crook who isn't making good on what you told the country.
I may post more later, just so furious about this.
I am so furious about this right now, that all I can say is I hope you understand that you lied to everyone you duped into entering into your events.
I could have gone and supported a LEGITIMATE tournament, the NYC championship at skyline, the same weekend I played this tournament. which may be one reason you didn't get the 50 ppl you were hoping for in the NYC area. Don't pawn off responsibility that what you hoped would happen didn't. if you would have had better planning and probably did better research you would have succeeded. but it seems to me that you just wanted to have fun and have no responsibilities.
I think you should split the money that you kept out of the pot and break it up evenly between all the ppl who played in the event that don't have sponsors.
This is terrible, and it is unfortunate that Haiti is a convienent excuse to let you get out of being truthful. you are a crook who isn't making good on what you told the country.
I may post more later, just so furious about this.
I am pretty positive that DMIRO was on the TAR stream this past week in the chat. He had time to chat but now has no time to discuss about what is going to happen to the funds of his tour.
I think he also had some negative things to say about the stream itself. Funny, too funny.
What about all the sponsorship product he received for future events? What is going to happen with that? It was nice for him to mention the sponsors but surely he has future product that was to be used in future events.
By the way, you might want to get out a map - no one would call Haiti as going 'overseas'. Are you part of the Red Cross or a contractor going to rebuild the country?
I think he also had some negative things to say about the stream itself. Funny, too funny.What about all the sponsorship product he received for future events? What is going to happen with that? It was nice for him to mention the sponsors but surely he has future product that was to be used in future events.
By the way, you might want to get out a map - no one would call Haiti as going 'overseas'. Are you part of the Red Cross or a contractor going to rebuild the country?
figures...
It figures I have to waste more time dealing with you, thanks Mike.
I'm glad you've seen fit to now try and throw my dad under the bus for this. You are even more ignorant than I thought.
Why don't you explain your plan correctly? My dad was brought on to add some credibility to your plan, which he liked. He was not brought on as an investor. He was brought on to oversee the tour, and make sure formats and payouts were correct. You insisted that you were financially prepared to invest your own money and time. Do you know what "insisted" means Mike?
Did you forget I was there when he opened the account in Jersey? You had to cash a deposit check because you were too broke to get out of Jersey. Since the check was written to the tour, an account had to be opened immediately. This was the first of many indications that you were vastly underqualified for the project you were about to attempt.
You did not have access to take money OUT of the account, but you could certainly deposit money into it. In fact, that is what you were supposed to be doing all along, so that the money for the year end event would be there. Again, my dad was overseeing the tour - not adding money to it. What happened to all the money you collected from players for the year end event? It was supposed to be in the account.... Did my dad not ask you repeatedly where that money was? There isn't even enough to cover Wilkie's entry into the pro event. And of course, you should know by now that my dad has spoken to Wilkie about this already.
Also, since you circumvented the main argument by attacking my dad, why don't you explain the full truth of why the tour isn't going to continue? My dad realized that you were inadequate and unscrupulous and decided not to continue the tour past this first year. If you weren't going "overseas", the tour would not continue under his name anyhow.
As far as the amateur event at the expo goes, again, you have no clue what you are talking about. To begin with, your math is completely wrong. The entry fee for the tournament includes a 4 day pass to the expo, which is normally $35. Out of the $75 collected, $50 goes into the prize pool, of which 100% is paid out, usually more. I know you're not good with numbers and stuff, maybe some other time I can help you figure it out. And I know you're not familiar with things like "profit", "operating costs", and "revenue" but the Expo doesn't just happen at the press of a button. Diamond doesn't bring those tables for free, Valley Forge doesn't just let us come in and use their 100,000 sq feet facility for funsies. Our staff of 55+ people likes to be compensated for their work. The list goes on Mike, perhaps if you learned how to operate at something besides a loss you'd understand. I tried to explain to you before you started this tour that you could not live on the road at $50/day and you had no model to even cover your costs. Yes, the Expo is profitable. People go into business to cover their costs, to make a profit and pay their bills, Mike - maybe if you understood this theory you would still have a tour instead of living with Grandma and being shipped off to Haiti.
You are in way over your head Mike, I suggest you back off. I hope readers realize I would have never been so outright and rude to you if you had not attempted to throw my dad under the bus for your failed attempt. From day one, you said you were FULLY prepared to invest your time and money to make this work. There was never any arrangement for my father to be investing money to your tour, was there?
If anyone has any questions about the tour or any of my fathers operations, you can call and speak with him directly at (609)652-6116.
He won't be leaving the country.
It figures I have to waste more time dealing with you, thanks Mike.
I'm glad you've seen fit to now try and throw my dad under the bus for this. You are even more ignorant than I thought.
Why don't you explain your plan correctly? My dad was brought on to add some credibility to your plan, which he liked. He was not brought on as an investor. He was brought on to oversee the tour, and make sure formats and payouts were correct. You insisted that you were financially prepared to invest your own money and time. Do you know what "insisted" means Mike?
Did you forget I was there when he opened the account in Jersey? You had to cash a deposit check because you were too broke to get out of Jersey. Since the check was written to the tour, an account had to be opened immediately. This was the first of many indications that you were vastly underqualified for the project you were about to attempt.
You did not have access to take money OUT of the account, but you could certainly deposit money into it. In fact, that is what you were supposed to be doing all along, so that the money for the year end event would be there. Again, my dad was overseeing the tour - not adding money to it. What happened to all the money you collected from players for the year end event? It was supposed to be in the account.... Did my dad not ask you repeatedly where that money was? There isn't even enough to cover Wilkie's entry into the pro event. And of course, you should know by now that my dad has spoken to Wilkie about this already.
Also, since you circumvented the main argument by attacking my dad, why don't you explain the full truth of why the tour isn't going to continue? My dad realized that you were inadequate and unscrupulous and decided not to continue the tour past this first year. If you weren't going "overseas", the tour would not continue under his name anyhow.
As far as the amateur event at the expo goes, again, you have no clue what you are talking about. To begin with, your math is completely wrong. The entry fee for the tournament includes a 4 day pass to the expo, which is normally $35. Out of the $75 collected, $50 goes into the prize pool, of which 100% is paid out, usually more. I know you're not good with numbers and stuff, maybe some other time I can help you figure it out. And I know you're not familiar with things like "profit", "operating costs", and "revenue" but the Expo doesn't just happen at the press of a button. Diamond doesn't bring those tables for free, Valley Forge doesn't just let us come in and use their 100,000 sq feet facility for funsies. Our staff of 55+ people likes to be compensated for their work. The list goes on Mike, perhaps if you learned how to operate at something besides a loss you'd understand. I tried to explain to you before you started this tour that you could not live on the road at $50/day and you had no model to even cover your costs. Yes, the Expo is profitable. People go into business to cover their costs, to make a profit and pay their bills, Mike - maybe if you understood this theory you would still have a tour instead of living with Grandma and being shipped off to Haiti.
You are in way over your head Mike, I suggest you back off. I hope readers realize I would have never been so outright and rude to you if you had not attempted to throw my dad under the bus for your failed attempt. From day one, you said you were FULLY prepared to invest your time and money to make this work. There was never any arrangement for my father to be investing money to your tour, was there?
If anyone has any questions about the tour or any of my fathers operations, you can call and speak with him directly at (609)652-6116.
He won't be leaving the country.
So, if I'm understanding everything going on here, an inspired idea (a 10-ball tour) is going under & the endgame is going to be a *****fest. If this doesn't tell us that the billiards industry has issues, nothing will.
So, if I'm understanding everything going on here, an inspired idea (a 10-ball tour) is going under & the endgame is going to be a *****fest. If this doesn't tell us that the billiards industry has issues, nothing will.
Allen has been doing business in pool for 40 years. He is not a thief. In fact he has a credibility that is very hard to find in this game. You come to pool for a year, and try to run him through the back...Good luck with Haiti again hope you help someone.
Someone (or maybe a lot of AZer's) needs to read the beginnings of this mis-adventure.
And it was just a short 7 months ago that DMIRO announced the salvation of PRO players with his NEW 10 Ball Tour backed by Allen Hopkins.
Remember all the promises?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=146321
200+ players supported these events. My Mike's math that would be $2,000 that should have been put into the 'FUND'.
This makes me sick. Another example of the Wannabe Promoter taking the money and running.
<---- tired of being Dr No and a naysayer... everyone needs to support unknown pool promoters in the future. You deserve it.
And it was just a short 7 months ago that DMIRO announced the salvation of PRO players with his NEW 10 Ball Tour backed by Allen Hopkins.
Remember all the promises?
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=146321
200+ players supported these events. My Mike's math that would be $2,000 that should have been put into the 'FUND'.
This makes me sick. Another example of the Wannabe Promoter taking the money and running.
<---- tired of being Dr No and a naysayer... everyone needs to support unknown pool promoters in the future. You deserve it.
This is old, I didn't bring this to the forums - you did. I wasn't a part of the tour, so I have limited knowledge, but I do know you were supposed to be holding a portion of the year end money for a final event. That money was never deposited in the account as it was supposed to. If it was, it would be there. In the beginning, I distinctly pointed out to you that you could not count year-end event money as revenue for operating expenses, which is what your "plan" clearly called for.
No, that is not a lie. I said it would not be continued under my dad's name. He was not endorsing your tour for a second year. I suppose you could have done it again on your own, I know nothing about your thoughts.
The only money he has from DMIRO is the money in the account he opened in Jersey, which as you pointed out is a couple hundred or so. Good thing, since he now has to issue a refund for an event you took a deposit for and is now cancelled. It is not the "player's" money, you made it clear that you've been holding that.
No, he wanted the printing and marketing material to go through me because he trusts my judgement and knows that I do good work. Yes, I charged hundreds of dollars! I will not apologize for expecting to be paid for my work. I explained this clearly and simply in the beginning. I bowed out gracefully when you said you didn't want to have to pay for things. You knew how much the items you wanted were going to cost, and you personally approved them. Sorry Mike, nothing is free in this life. You had a choice, you did not have to approve. Nobody forced you to get business cards or advertising for your events from me. And yes, I charged you for redesigning the logo. I also told you that you did not have to use it if you didn't want to. Again, you chose to use it, therefore, you had to pay for it. No wonder you live with Grandma, everything must be free there.
I didn't send you a fake email. I posted a response to your post. And I didn't mention keeping anything private, I just said you should watch what you say. You talk about things you have no knowledge of. I saw through your bullshit the first week I met you, which is why I wanted no part of your tour. You're a perfect politician, you have a knack for spinning things your way. That won't fly in this industry, the poolplayers are smarter than you.
Umm, you agreed to this entire project before it began. This was exactly what you wanted to do, as you had planned. And now you don't have time?
You are not paying the entry fees for anyone. You are using money you held from the event prize pools. That money was never "yours".
Again, he wasn't on board to promote the tour, he was on board to oversee formats and payouts and to lend some credibility to your idea. A lot of people ask me where he is too, he cannot be everywhere. I can't imagine the amount if disappointment you had to "deal" with, how did you ever survive? He is a single father with sole custody of a 14 year old, he cannot travel to all these events. Again, a point you were pretty well aware of.
Yes, he did think you had a good idea, that's why he let you use his name on the tour.
Again, you wanted to be the investor. Are you denying the fact that you were bragging about having $40K plus saved up to help you in the first year of the tour? Do you not remember me explaining to you that the tour had no viable way of generating income or even enough money to support your life on the road? Don't you remember explaining to me that all "successful" businesses required investment in time and capital, and you were prepared to do that? Did I imagine that conversation? I do not feel bad for you, you ignored all warnings. If the contract was BS, why did you sign? Do you not expect my dad to have rules in place to protect himself in a business that his name is so prominently attached to? Guess who told him this whole thing was a horrible idea from the start, and that you were not to be trusted?
No, it wont hurt you, I agree. You had nothing to lose. Are you keeping the cue that you told a sponsor to send you just last week? Is it safe there with you too? Isn't it weird that we get so many calls and email questioning your ethics and actions?
Don't lie, you love writing. You love this public forum bullshit. You love the attention. If you didn't, you would not come here and start public accusations like you did. You could have kept this entire thread civil, but you chose to start with public accusations and provokations. I have never once come on here and said anything bad about you, even though I haven't trusted you since the day I met you. And now you want to bad mouth my father, and me? You're a scoundrel and people know it.
I don't come on here very often. As you know, I only came because my dad told me you would be writing something about him and I had to see what it was, and be certain that your lies were straightened out. If you were tired of writing and just wanted to move forward, you wouldn't have started with the negative remarks. You're so transparent it's a joke.
And please stop acting like you are paying these entries out of your personal money, you were supposed to keep a portion of funds out of each event for the end-of-year. Holding someone else's money to pay for something later does not equate to paying for it yourself.
Perhaps you should get my dad and Wilkie on a conference call and see what's up? Shawn was warned that you were doing shady things. Maybe what I said wasn't clear, but I can absolutely say that they have talked about the tour situation and you.
You, and anyone else, can call him at (609)652-6116.