Do all the pros know the same shots?

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Do all the pros know the same shots? What I mean by this, is a C player and an A player will have different amounts of both knowledge of shots, and ability to execute shots.

Does the same hold true for different levels of pros?

Do top pros like Efren, Shane, etc, legitimately know more shots than the lower pros like Davis, Wilkie, etc.? Or is it a matter of execution and consistency that separates them?
 
Do all the pros know the same shots? ...
No, there are shots that some world champions know that others don't. Mostly, these don't come up very often. One pocket is probably the best game to separate the knows from the know-nots since a much wider range of shots is practical at that game.
 
There are definitely shots that some pro's know that others don't. I agree with Bob that this comes up much more in one pocket than other games. I have watched Efren gambling with Scott Frost, and Efren made some shots where Scott literally said, "I have no ****** idea how you did that", with a completely stunned look on his face.
 
There are definitely shots that some pro's know that others don't. I agree with Bob that this comes up much more in one pocket than other games. I have watched Efren gambling with Scott Frost, and Efren made some shots where Scott literally said, "I have no ****** idea how you did that", with a completely stunned look on his face.

And Efren knows the cushions real well in differing conditions.
Years of rotation games I think made him more imaginative.
 
some know more than others,


for 9,10 ball here is the deal,

Another thing is not what you know-its your ability to solve the layout of the balls like Nick Varner says "Work it out, dont rush into the rack" He said that a million times at the M-Cup where he was captian. Sometimes there are several ways to run a rack so you look for shots that are the highest % makeable for you, that pattern might be diffent for another player.

For example Johnny Morra uses inside english as good as anyone I have ever seen, so his pattens are way different than I would play, I try and avoid playing shots that are loaded up with inside, he loves them. Therefore our patterns are different. on a stop and go rack it dosent matter.


Max Eberly who plays MUCH better than I do plays his patterns 90% of the time the way I would, the 10% difference is personal preferance and probably 3% of the 10% is his experince and because he is better and he finds a better route but its rare. Needless to say we are a very strong scotch doubles team. We just think the same, I just dont have the talent or experience that Max does, he is a much better player, but I been playing so long that I see alot more than I can accomplish. I remember when I started out it was the oppsite. I could do what I knew-but I knew almost nothing. There are alot of no-playing rail birds that know the shots.

Knowing and doing are 2 different things,


So knowing the shots is one thing figureing them out is another, The guys who really know the shots are the one pocket and 3 cushion players, Those games take a ton more knowlege than 9,10 ball. And to a lesser extent 14.1. Rotation games require the least knowlege.

8 ball is a tough game to know all the patterns its not really possible you have to be creative and have a mind for it, it takes alot of creativity to play 14.1 at its highest level there are basic shots and stragity but again you have to be creative and play into your strengths,

this is the short answere and my opinions as of today,

3C is the toughest to know all the shots-why? because nobody does know all the shots-not one person ever. Making it the most difficult of all cue sports...and the most beatiful when you see the guys who can run 30, in real life its beyond beatiful to see them play, it sucks on youtube, you just dont have the feel and sound of live 3C. I cant run 3 but can appericate it as much if not more than any other game. Those top top players come with shots they think up during their run that are mind boggling. you have to see it to get it, I never did until recently, the guys who can run 10 are "book" smart 3C players, but you dont to 30 with any book, it takes 20+ years of dedication and a gift from god to play at theat level. If youi ever get a chance to see the top 3C guys just go-you wont get board.
 
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Interesting. I fully agree on one hole and 3 cushion the knowledge is a big factor because so many shots are available and have to be created on the fly with your imagination.

What about 9 ball? The "simplest" game. Shots like the one Corey shot where the draw didn't take till after hitting the rail are known by the local open players in my area. It might never come up in a game, but they all know the shot.

I also see Fatboys perspective, that the percentage play and pattern selection is also knowledge and what sets low level pros and high level pros apart.

What do you guys think would be the answer to the question if we limited the discussion to 9 ball shots?
 
What about 9 ball? The "simplest" game.

I think what the gentleman means is that in 9-ball, there is exactly one ball you are trying to pot and one ball you are trying for subsequent position on.

In a game like 8-ball, you may be able to shoot at 6 other balls this shot, and try for position on 5 more on the subsequent shot. Here the mental setup is more taxing just because there is a larger set of shots at pesent and subsequent shots. Also, in 8-ball there is generally more "interference" on the table,.....

That is NOT to say that 9-ball is simple or that 8-ball is more complicated--they are simply different games, with different shooting patterns, strategies, techiques, and safety plays.
 
Short rack or 6 ball is the simplest game, there is rarely any traffic and is a good game to learn from, it teaches you at the very least what side of the ball to be on for the next shot and how to look at a minimum of 3 balls ahead. Its perhaps my favorite game and the dead oppsite of 1P as 6 ball in 80-90% of the racks is all offence.

Add 3 balls to get to 9 ball and its a different world add just one more ball and you get 10 ball a big step up from 9 ball. 15 ball rotation is out of my league, I dont think I have ever played it but a couple times.


3 ball in a ring game technically is the simplest game, I wasnt thinking about ring games.
 
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Even 9 ball/10 ball has shots that some pros know and others don't might seem like the most simple game on paper, but in high level play it is very complicated. The thing that separates it from other commonly played games is the kicking. No other pool game has a more demanding kicking aspect. Anybody and their mother can hit a kick, but great players can avoid selling out from their kicks by getting safe or making the ball. The prime example is Efren. If you safety him, he has a good chance of returning that safety, which is HUGE in high level play. Knowledge of kick shots are what separates him from the other guys who never miss (of which there are hundreds, if not thousands). Let's also not forget the hundreds of times when Efren pulled out a crazy bank or carom when the commentators were lefts stuck on "why the heck did he push out to that spot?"
 
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This thread reminds me of that video of Corey Deuel shooting into a two-rail shot where the cue seems to only act apon the second rail.

Here it is at 8:05 of the following link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s_Z1kjjCpw

Very cool and seems to puzzle the commentators too.
That is an interesting shot. Looks like he loaded it with inside and stunned it? I've seen those shots being taught in some more advanced positioning articles. I'm sure most professionals "knows" pretty much the same shots with a few exceptions. But few would have the confidence to actually try difficult shots.
 
This thread reminds me of that video of Corey Deuel shooting into a two-rail shot where the cue seems to only act apon the second rail.

Here it is at 8:05 of the following link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s_Z1kjjCpw

Very cool and seems to puzzle the commentators too.

You just got rep.. Ive been looking for that shot for awhile.. Thanks..


I lied it said I had to spread it around..
 
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