Do/Can you jump with your playing cue?

Do/Can you jump with your playing cue?

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ShootingRazbone said:
Then what difference does it make whether they jump one on you... you obviously will get another shot then.

When there are at least a few better options to jump with other than your playing cue ....why jump with your playing cue?

Like to see a 5k 10 ahead match and you try to jump with your playing cue and snap.... ferrule chips or breaks ..... what then????
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I used to practice full masse shots for hours at a time where i'm hitting down on the ball just about as hard as i can.....never chipped a ferrule. (it was an old barbox in a bowling alley)

I've miscued on shots i was hitting at warp speed about a thousand times....never chipped a ferrule.

I've probably jumped at least a thousand balls with my playing cue & NEVER chipped a ferrule or had a tip explode.

Maybe it's because i've never played a set for 5k. Maybe that magnifies the pressure at the tip of the cue & causes the molecular bonds to weaken. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Lol, are you saying it's impossible to damage a ferrule? Maybe you just don't hit as hard as you think you do.
 
XxMerlinxX said:
Lol, are you saying it's impossible to damage a ferrule? Maybe you just don't hit as hard as you think you do.
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hehe...no i'm not saying you can't damage one (i've cracked plenty of them).

Just saying that i've never incurred any damage to my playing cue by jumping a ball. :D
 
Pool inventions that belong with the jump cue

Other pool inventions that belong with the jump cue:

1. The jump rod - we shouldn't penalize short players. They have just as much right to be able to jump the ball as tall players.

2. Finger extensions - Earl Strickland was onto something. I'd love to be able to jack up over balls with those - wouldn't be as ackward, and technology would allow me to do this.

3. Laser pointer guide inside the tip of the pool cue - as I'm getting older, my sight isn't as good as it used to be on the long shots. I shouldn't be hindered in my playing ability, as the technology is there to help me with long shots.

4. Numbered diamonds on the table, and their corresponding 2nd and 3rd diamonds - people shouldn't be hindered by having to learn the diamond system. The technology is there that we could correlate the diamonds to where the cueball will end up. Maybe even draw some track lines on the table. We should give players these lines - they still have to actually HIT the shot, which is the true challenge, right?

5. Bigger pockets - if we want more people to play pool, we should really make the pockets 6" or larger. That would make everyone better, because we shouldn't hinder people from being better if the technology is there to make the game easier.

6. New rule on hooks - if the player doesn't have a jump cue, they get to move the cueball a little farther away from the blocker as to be able to play an easier kick. After all, we shouldn't punish a player because they can't afford as many shiny new gimmicks as Joe Q Technology can.
 
manwon said:
First never forget, not everyone plays with 19 or 20 oz cue, many cues I build for players are lighter than 19 or 20 oz, in fact I build some cues as light as 16 oz. As for the argument there isn't one in my opinion, only a difference of opinion.

You have every right to your opinion even if it is wrong, and that is fine with me.

All I can say for a fact is the Phenolic Tips will soon be history, now that is not to say that Jump cues with leather tips will also be outlawed. But, the fact remains without Phenolic tips many people will be disabled and Jump cues well they may not be all they are cracked up to be!!!!!!!;)
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Still waiting for that video clip. Not sure what the last comment has to do with the debate.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Pool was never meant to be played in 3 dimensions.
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Although i dunno if that is true or not, I definitely agree. Keep it on the table pls...
I CAN jump, but I have a hard time of jumping because of a physical condition so therefore I have no choice but to kick. Besides, I find it more rewarding.

Shawn Armstrong said:
If you need to shoot a jump shot, no going back to the bag and grabbing a different cue. Use your playing cue to get out of trouble. I hooked you with my playing cue. The least you could do in return is try to get out of it with yours.
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Rep pts for that!
 
Jumping

Jumping with a playing cue is harder than with a jump cue, and the stroke is different. I am old school, and I learned to jump with a playing cue before jump cues ever came along.

LOL ... I am reminded of one night, playing in a weekly tournament with smart players, and I had 3 mishaps in a row with my fairly new Break/jump cue with a phenolic ferrule/tip. I got so pi**ed off, I decided to use my playing cue for any more jumps needed. I made the next 4 jump shots with my playing cue, and made all 4 balls .... LOL and they were not especially easy jump shots to make.

2 Jump shots come to mind when I think of jump shots:

The first one was done by Dave Hendricks (From Wichita orginally, last heard of in Oklahoma City). Dave was a good player, but he was especially good at Jump shots with a regular playing cue. Had the cue about 1st diamond from end rail right corner pocket, object ball a foot past side pocket with a backcut. Jumped the ball, made the object ball, and had enough low right english to go across by other side pocket and draw the cue ball clear back to end rail for shape on the next object ball.
It was one where you said, 'Whoa, look at that stroke'.

The second one was performed by Jamie Baracks, playing in a semi final match here in Wichita at Sidepockets (Midwest 9 ball tour event every year in June here). He used a jump cue to perform this one.

Jamie had the cue ball about middle diamond up from right end pocket with a ball in front 6 inches, and another ball in the path 14-16" down from the first blocking ball. He had a backcut on the 1. Jamie not only
jumped both balls, and made the 1, but went perfectly 2 rails to get shape on the 2 ball in the same pocket as the 1 went. The jump over 2 balls, and his sense of speed for shape on the 2 was absolutely perfect.
Those 2 things are what impressed me.

By the way, Jamie beat Steve Rector in the finals of the tournament to win the tournament.
 
Jumping

Jumping with a playing cue is harder than with a jump cue, and the stroke is different. I am old school, and I learned to jump with a playing cue before jump cues ever came along.

LOL ... I am reminded of one night, playing in a weekly tournament with smart players, and I had 3 mishaps in a row with my fairly new Break/jump cue with a phenolic ferrule/tip. I got so pi**ed off, I decided to use my playing cue for any more jumps needed. I made the next 4 jump shots with my playing cue, and made all 4 balls .... LOL and they were not especially easy jump shots to make.

2 Jump shots come to mind when I think of jump shots:

The first one was done by Dave Hendricks (From Wichita orginally, last heard of in Oklahoma City). Dave was a good player, but he was especially good at Jump shots with a regular playing cue. Had the cue about 1st diamond from end rail right corner pocket, object ball a foot past side pocket with a backcut. Jumped the ball, made the object ball, and had enough low right english to go across by other side pocket and draw the cue ball clear back to end rail for shape on the next object ball.
It was one where you said, 'Whoa, look at that stroke'.

The second one was performed by Jamie Baracks, playing in a semi final match here in Wichita at Sidepockets (Midwest 9 ball tour event every year in June here). He used a jump cue to perform this one.

Jamie had the cue ball about middle diamond up from right end pocket with a ball in front 6 inches, and another ball in the path 14-16" down from the first blocking ball. He had a backcut on the 1. Jamie not only
jumped both balls, and made the 1, but went perfectly 2 rails to get shape on the 2 ball in the same pocket as the 1 went. The jump over 2 balls, and his sense of speed for shape on the 2 was absolutely perfect.
Those 2 things are what impressed me.

By the way, Jamie beat Steve Rector in the finals of the tournament to win the tournament.
 
Foul? You're kidding, right?

XxMerlinxX said:
That was a foul. The CB hits the tip of the cue again after the first impact, which is what propels it forward, not some crazy sort of jumping ability. Jump sticks do help, I'll admit it, but they don't let you bend the laws of physics.
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LMFAO - find me one referee that would call that one a double hit. The reason the cue ball goes forward is she's not jacked up at full 90 degrees, and she's hitting the back of the ball. Ask her dad, Ned Morris, if it's a foul. Ask John Barton, too. They can both make this shot with a jump cue. Sorry, no foul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8rvRHZ1sZo

Larry Nevel in action with a G10 tipped jumper. Foul, too, right?
 
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macguy said:
Anyone who says they can jump with their playing cue easily are just plain lying. They may be able to accomplice a jump in just the right situation, but that is about it. The cue ball comes off the table with so much velocity half they time they are lucky to keep it on the table much less accomplish a controlled jump. At best they can jump a whole ball and maybe hit the object ball the length of the table away but that is about it.
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Well then, I'm just plain lying.... I play with a Predator shaft now and can only jump maybe 1/4 of a ball with my playing cue. But before the Predator shaft every cue I had had a Southwest taper shaft (very stiff hit) and I could jump a full ball, draw or follow for shape and make the object ball on 50-60% of all jump shots. At the time I may have been the best C player jumper in the country (it was the only thing I did good, lol)... Steve McAnnich used to jump with his playing cue all of the time and he rarely ever missed pocketing the ball.... He was the best jumper ever IMO.
 
This whole debate is quite silly. At one time jumping was difficult and everyone was like "ooooo! look so-and-so can jump, he's awesome." No one cared, no one complained. You simply understood your opponent could jump and planned for it.

Then, jumping became available to everyone and suddenly people were up in arms about it.

In the end, you still have to make the money ball to win - whether you can jump or not.

What's next, saying you can't cause a ball to jump off the cushion? This is a legit shot that people use to get over obstructions. What about jumping off another ball? This is also a legit shot used in straight pool to land on the stack - or in many other games to avoid interfering balls when trying to get shape. What about the shot where the cue ball intentionally jumps onto the rail or hits the back of the side pocket hard enough to land back on the table?

It's just silly to say jumping should be banned altogether. Pool has been 3-D for a long time.

-td
 
XxMerlinxX said:
Did you even watch that video??? The cueball rolls up the shaft of the cue and bounces off, THEN goes over. It's not possible to strike an object, have it travel up, then for no apparent reason, change direction and move forward all by itself. Yes, that is definitely a foul.
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Guess you didn't get the point. He made those shots with a full length cue. Guess you didn't watch til the end. AND, he shot SEVERAL jump shots in the vid. One is clearly a foul. The others look pretty darned close to me. Would you call someone on that? I would love to see someone unload that shot on you (Larry Nevel) and you call a foul. You'd become the new case for his jump cue.
 
Black Cat 5791 said:
Seen that one before, it's actually a foul. The cue ball comes back hit's the cue then moves forward.

Besides, that's the exception not the rule. I can jump out of most situations, however the best I can do with regularity is about a chalk and a half distance apart.

Black Cat.
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OK - so you can clear a ball from 1" away, give or take? So I roll a ball 12' around a table and pin you to within 1.5" of the blocker. That, in my opinion, is EXCELLENT cueball control, and a great safety. To the jump crowd, their response is "learn to play better safeties". There aren't always situations where you can stiff someone dead against a ball. But you get to run to your little bag of tricks, and grab a little stick that has no other purpose but to defeat poor safety play, and allows most new players to totally overlook the art of kicking. GREAT invention for the game.
 
td873 said:
This whole debate is quite silly. At one time jumping was difficult and everyone was like "ooooo! look so-and-so can jump, he's awesome." No one cared, no one complained. You simply understood your opponent could jump and planned for it.

Then, jumping became available to everyone and suddenly people were up in arms about it.

In the end, you still have to make the money ball to win - whether you can jump or not.

What's next, saying you can't cause a ball to jump off the cushion? This is a legit shot that people use to get over obstructions. What about jumping off another ball? This is also a legit shot used in straight pool to land on the stack - or in many other games to avoid interfering balls when trying to get shape. What about the shot where the cue ball intentionally jumps onto the rail or hits the back of the side pocket hard enough to land back on the table?

It's just silly to say jumping should be banned altogether. Pool has been 3-D for a long time.

-td
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I think there should be no ban at all on jump shots. I think jump cues should be banned. Get rid of the phenolic tipped gimmick sticks. If you want to jump, do it with your player. You should have all your playing shots in your playing cue. I haven't seen anyone run to their bag for their draw cue or stun cue yet.

To any jump cue player out there, I challenge you to cut the phenolic tip off your jump cue, put a Le Pro tip on it, and see how well it jumps. People keep talking about technology improving the game. Bull$hit. It's not technology. It's putting a material as hard as the cueball at the end of the ferrule that gives you the ability. Go to the pool hall next time and find a cue that has a tip broken off. Shoot jump shots with it. It's a pogo stick too. Sick innovation, those untipped cues.

If a jump cue is "designed" to facilitate the jump shot, the tip should only be one contributing factor. I'll go get a house cue and cut it down to 41", and put a phenolic tip on it. You can have an AirTime, or Predator Air or whatever jump cue you choose. We'll stick a Triangle tip on it. Then let's see which technologically advanced cue wins the jump off.
 
macguy said:
Still waiting for that video clip. Not sure what the last comment has to do with the debate.
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There is no debate, and I never said I had Video clip, I only said that you may want to work on your stroke, or change the hardness of your tip. I am sorry if this offends you, but life is just that way some times. If I put a video together all you would do discount it any way, you would say it is a gaff cue or something else.

Like I said above there is no debate, only time will show who is right and who is wrong.

Good Luck with your game!!!!!;)
 
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