Do Chinese Made Pool Products Also Contain Lead?

[John Barton]

John- Please stay on line with the subject at hand. I am not concerned about the people making pool cues and their health. That is a risk that Jim Buss and his fellow members of the Cuemakers Association can deal with. I am concerned with the materials/usage of lead in products. Can I absorb this coco dust or carcinogenic finish thru my skin or nostrils after I am using the finished product that he creates? I spoke to Jim Buss, the rocket scientist turned Smithsonian pool cuemaker, and he said no. By the way, Jim Buss also lives in St Louis. Nice guy. Big talker. Expert cuemaker.

So let's see. Jim Buss cues are safe. Put them on the list. Gulyassy cues are safe. Put them on the list. Fury, McDermott, Blaze are not. Put them on the unsafe list, until I hear otherwise.

And you have been told that Chinese cues are safe as well. So what is your problem now? Facts have no place in your world.

The truth is that you don't care about lead in paint. You don't care about any facts at all.

You are simply a person who wants to go around and whip up a frenzy for the sport of it.

Well buddy anytime you want to put your money up you can have a St Louis law firm check my proof. Then you can come on here one last time to report that you lost in the face over factual and overwhelming evidence.

Because the FACTS are, AGAIN, that the cues are made using the same materials as in the USA, the process is the same, and the wood comes from all the same sources, including North America.

The fact is that there is no product that Sterling sells which is harmful to the user of that product when used normally as intended. And given that all of the other distributors carry pretty much the same type of goods I think it's safe to say that their products are not harmful either.

The facts are that despite the poisonous nature of dust created by the materials used to make pool cues throughout the world, the finished products pose no heath risk to the users.

I think it's great that you love your country. Then you are also a lover of justice, and truth. So you wouldn't want to unfairly impact your fellow Americans by instilling fear among them would you? I mean, when confronted with the truth and the facts, you would do the right thing and accept that your "question" has been answered and stop insinuating that imported cues are dangerous wouldn't you? As a lover of truth and justice I expect it of you.

After all it's only right to expect products that are not harmful and equally right to expose the ones that are and list the ones that are not. So are you willing to be RIGHT and JUST and show your LOVE of America and admit here on this forum, in this thread, that your question about the safety of billiard products has been answered and that the answer is that they are safe?

 

[watchez]

John-please send me a Chinese made Sterling product cue so I can take it to CSI or Jim Buss the rocket scientist for complete analysis. I will post my results in a few months. Also, if you have any invoices showing the origin of the wood & materials of your pool products, that would be helpful & time saving. Feel free to send a cue also to GADawg as he is an Engineer/Scientist & is most likely capable of doing an analysis for you. Still not sure what an Engineer/Scientist is or where he went in our discussion after I questioned that. I still think it is someone that uses really large test tubes so he should have one that a pool cue would fit in for his analysis.

Also, I am waiting for my apology as I feel that I proved you were snide in your comments without provocation.

I have also sent an email to Mattel asking, to summarize, how they can be so stupid & be tricked into accepting lead based products from China but a much smaller company like Sterling has no problem doing things right. I will also post their reply when/if I receive it. John, if I had your email address I would have cc'd you on this email. I apologize for not including you.

 

[John Barton]

John-please send me a Chinese made Sterling product cue so I can take it to CSI or Jim Buss the rocket scientist for complete analysis. I will post my results in a few months. Also, if you have any invoices showing the origin of the wood & materials of your pool products, that would be helpful & time saving. Feel free to send a cue also to GADawg as he is an Engineer/Scientist & is most likely capable of doing an analysis for you. Still not sure what an Engineer/Scientist is or where he went in our discussion after I questioned that. I still think it is someone that uses really large test tubes so he should have one that a pool cue would fit in for his analysis.

Also, I am waiting for my apology as I feel that I proved you were snide in your comments without provocation.

I have also sent an email to Mattel asking, to summarize, how they can be so stupid & be tricked into accepting lead based products from China but a much smaller company like Sterling has no problem doing things right. I will also post their reply when/if I receive it. John, if I had your email address I would have cc'd you on this email. I apologize for not including you.

I apologize. Whether or not your intent is honestly portrayed I should not have gone over the top in my reaction to it.

If you will nominate a testing lab whose credentials can be verified and also a law firm to authenticate my documents I will be more than happy to supply products and documentation. Since you are the one asking the questions then I can expect that you will fund the investigation correct?

My email is john@sterling-gaming.com and I will be happy to post your email to Mattel here for all to see.

For I know that you did in fact send that email as you are always completely honest and never would sensationalize out of context.

I believe that GADawg went where I should have. Away from this topic. Because it really did not deserve a reply or the life I gave to it. But since I did then I am compelled to finish it.

Please inform me on this board when you have selected the lab and attorney and provide proof that you are covering the costs. I will cover the cost of the products and the shipping to the lab and attorney.

As a fellow advocate of truth I am as interested in exposing the lies and liars as you are. I feel that the testing you propose will do just that. I will be waiting eagerly to hear you have diligently and quickly found competent and valid parties to test the accuracy of my facts.

I am sure to hear from you by the end of the week right?

 

[Flex]

I apologize. Whether or not your intent is honestly portrayed I should not have gone over the top in my reaction to it.

If you will nominate a testing lab whose credentials can be verified and also a law firm to authenticate my documents I will be more than happy to supply products and documentation. Since you are the one asking the questions then I can expect that you will fund the investigation correct?

My email is john@sterling-gaming.com and I will be happy to post your email to Mattel here for all to see.

For I know that you did in fact send that email as you are always completely honest and never would sensationalize out of context.

I believe that GADawg went where I should have. Away from this topic. Because it really did not deserve a reply or the life I gave to it. But since I did then I am compelled to finish it.

Please inform me on this board when you have selected the lab and attorney and provide proof that you are covering the costs. I will cover the cost of the products and the shipping to the lab and attorney.

As a fellow advocate of truth I am as interested in exposing the lies and liars as you are. I feel that the testing you propose will do just that. I will be waiting eagerly to hear you have diligently and quickly found competent and valid parties to test the accuracy of my facts.

I am sure to hear from you by the end of the week right?

This is quite an interesting thread.

Actually, it seems to me, that given all the negative publicity regarding the safety of numerous products coming from China, you might be interested in funding the tests being spoken of, especially as it pertains to potential liability on the part of your company.

I sure hope the stuff you're exporting to the U.S. is safe; I have no reason to not believe it is and would expect not just you but any exporter of products from China to the U.S. to do their due diligence and be able to show consumers why they have nothing to fear if they purchase or use those Chinese products.

Flex

 

[watchez]

I accept your apology.

I can't afford the lab you are requesting. Again, I apologize for being poor & not in the financial class of you & others. That being said, I have given this more thought while I just took a shower. I seem to do my best thinking in there. Anyways, I request that you send the products to the Consumer Product Safety Commission but do so in my name. This way, I will be sent the results & we can be assured that you did not tamper with them in any way.

Please send your product to:

U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission
Directorate for Laboratory Sciences
10901 Darnestown Road
Gaithersburg, MD 20878

I have called their hotline 800-638-2772 and left a voice message so they know that they can be expecting the Sterling Chinese made products and confirm the possibility of no toxic lead found in them.

I will forward my email to Mattel to you for your records.

I was looking at the http://www.cpsc.gov/ website & the list of recent recalls. The bracelets have been shipped to the USA since 2004!!! Amazing that it took so long to be discovered.

Shindaiwa Inc. Announces Recall of Backpack Blowers Due to Fire Hazard. This is a Japanese company. I was posting this as other members gave me grief for listing China/Taiwan together. My original intent was to show that it is not only Chinese products we should be worried about but all cheaply made Asian products that have no regard for the health/well-being of the American consumer. In future references, I will note China/Taiwan/Japan.


Hazard: The paint on the metal spiral bindings of the address books and journals can contain excessive levels of lead, which violates the federal lead paint ban.

Hazard: Surface paints on the wooden handles of the tops and pails contain excessive levels of lead, which violates the federal lead paint standard

Hazard: The recalled jewelry contains high levels of lead. Lead is toxic

Hazard: Surface paints on the toys could contain lead levels in excess of federal standards. Lead is toxic

and when I stated 300,000 toys-that was only the latest/most recent recall due to lead. There are literally millions slipping into this county. Again, if big companies like Mattel, RC2 Corp., etc. are not able to control what China is doing, can small billiard supply companies really know what is going on???

Units: About 1.5 million

Importer/Distributor: RC2 Corp., of Oak Brook, Ill.

Hazard: Surface paints on the recalled products contain lead. Lead is toxic

Sold at: Toy stores and various retailers nationwide from January 2005 through June 2007 for between $10 and $70.

Manufactured in: China

 

[John Barton]

This is quite an interesting thread.

Actually, it seems to me, that given all the negative publicity regarding the safety of numerous products coming from China, you might be interested in funding the tests being spoken of, especially as it pertains to potential liability on the part of your company.

I sure hope the stuff you're exporting to the U.S. is safe; I have no reason to not believe it is and would expect not just you but any exporter of products from China to the U.S. to do their due diligence and be able to show consumers why they have nothing to fear if they purchase or use those Chinese products.

Flex

I will be more than happy to submit any products we make to the same agency that is responsible for the toy and pet food testing. Point me in that direction and I will send them a sample of each product we make and cite Watchez's ???? concerns.

I do not think that the burden of proof lies with the importer any more than a US cuemaker has to prove that cocobolo toxins are not a factor in a finished cue.

I am not sure how the process works for testing of products. I don't know if they begin testing after receiving complaints or whether a company can submit products to receive a "clean bill of health" so to speak. I tend to think it's the former as the latter would be overwhelming.

The facts of the matter are that because of this recall all companies will be taking a closer look at their supply lines and making sure that they are in compliance. So there is no need for any individual companies to play further on the fears of consumers by stating that their products are safe because they were "tested".

Tested by whom? Recognized by whom? Neither you nor I are under any obligation to believe the results published by any independent lab. So while the results may be 100% accurate they may be worth nothing.

The burden of proof lies with the accuser not the accused. I am sure however that toys will come with labels in the future that proclaim them to be "lead free". And this will quell the fears of consumers. I am equally sure that despite the best controls some products will still get through that contain levels of lead that are above the legal limit.

In our field, billiard products, the chance that any user will ingest any part of the items we sell is infinitesimal. So even IF our products contained lead that was over the limit they would still need to be ingested or absorbed in significant quantities to be dangerous. But it has been pointed out that cues are finished over which creates a barrier between any paint and therefore blocks the transfer of any paint particles to the user.

To conclude, given that the chance of harm is so tiny as to be practically non-existent I think that it's safe to say that the question of safety was erroneously brought up and perpetrated not to find out fact but instead to simply cast aspersion.

With this being the case the burden of proof and cost of obtaining that proof lies solely with the accuser. If we made toys then it would probably be in our best interests to do whatever and spend whatever it takes to assure our customers of our product's safety.

We make pool cues however and they are just as safe as any made anywhere else in the world.

 

[alstl]

The Consumer Product Safety Commission recalled more than 300,000 Chinese made toys & other children's products Wednesday because of lead paint. Included :250,000 SpongeBob SquarePants address books & journals; 70,000 Thomas & Friends and Curious George tops and pails; 7,900 Divine Inspiration bracelets' and 14,000 Toby & Me jewelry sets.

This got me thinking about the pool products that are being made cheaply in China/Taiwan. What are the chances that they contain lead paint? I would think pretty good if big companies like Mattel aren't aware of what is going on with their products, do you really think that Fury & others have an idea? Coatings for pool sticks, dyes in cases, the wraps on pool sticks, who knows where this lead paint may be. I think this is just more of a reason for me to stick with American Made.

You're just mad because you had to get rid of your Spongebob coloring books.

 

[ribdoner]

A few pool cues are used as tools.

The majority are big boyz toyz...

 

[Flex]

I will be more than happy to submit any products we make to the same agency that is responsible for the toy and pet food testing. Point me in that direction and I will send them a sample of each product we make and cite Watchez's ???? concerns.


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We make pool cues however and they are just as safe as any made anywhere else in the world.

It's not my personal concern about the products you sell. If you think your company may reasonably be subject to a potential class action suit on behalf of consumers, or perhaps a mandated recall, or maybe having your assets seized, or not permitted entry into the U.S., as has happened to other importers, from what I've been told, it seems to me that you would be wise to seek quality legal advice regarding that. Whether independent testing will shield your company from any potential lawsuits that may come down the pike is something for competent legal experts to advise you on. I'm not an attorney; I can't and don't give legal advice. Were I in your shoes however, I'd sure look into this whole issue very carefully.

Flex

 

[John Barton]

Fearmongering

CPSC Overview

The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is charged with protecting the public from unreasonable risks of serious injury or death from more than 15,000 types of consumer products under the agency's jurisdiction. Deaths, injuries and property damage from consumer product incidents cost the nation more than $700 billion annually. The CPSC is committed to protecting consumers and families from products that pose a fire, electrical, chemical, or mechanical hazard or can injure children. The CPSC's work to ensure the safety of consumer products - such as toys, cribs, power tools, cigarette lighters, and household chemicals - contributed significantly to the 30 percent decline in the rate of deaths and injuries associated with consumer products over the past 30 years.

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It doesn't seem like anyone as reported a problem with any sort of billiard product in the last 30 years. I take it that the CPSC responds to complaints and investigates them to see if it is an isolated problem or widespread.

Therefore I would highly suggest that anyone who has a complaint of a dangerous billiard product should contact the CPSC and have them investigate it. I sincerely hope that the complaint is legitimate because I would hate to think that someone would do this out of spite and take up an investigator's time with unfounded accusations when that time could be spent saving the life of someone who is using a truly dangerous product.

I will be happy to provide the CPSC with an example of each product they request. Please complain about the products you are having problems with to them and I am sure that they will be in touch.

Watchez, in the name of science and the public good would you please put a pool cue from China into a Blendtec Blender, add water and tell us if you get sick? Make sure you report the results to the CPSC if you are harmed.

 

[John Barton]

It's not my personal concern about the products you sell. If you think your company may reasonably be subject to a potential class action suit on behalf of consumers, or perhaps a mandated recall, or maybe having your assets seized, or not permitted entry into the U.S., as has happened to other importers, from what I've been told, it seems to me that you would be wise to seek quality legal advice regarding that. Whether independent testing will shield your company from any potential lawsuits that may come down the pike is something for competent legal experts to advise you on. I'm not an attorney; I can't and don't give legal advice. Were I in your shoes however, I'd sure look into this whole issue very carefully.

Flex

We have no concerns on this issue. Our products are safe for the intended use. We have no fear of a class action suit nor any individual lawsuits pertaining to the safety of our products.

 

[watchez]

I will be more than happy to submit any products we make to the same agency that is responsible for the toy and pet food testing. Point me in that direction and I will send them a sample of each product we make and cite Watchez's ???? concerns.

I have pointed---

I am not sure how the process works for testing of products. I don't know if they begin testing after receiving complaints or whether a company can submit products to receive a "clean bill of health" so to speak. I tend to think it's the former as the latter would be overwhelming.

Read the http://www.cpsc.gov/ . I will not fill up anymore space here with cut & pastes but you can easily read for yourself how to submit a product & what requirements there are for a manufacturer of a product, especially when it comes to products that possibly could contain lead.

Tested by whom? Recognized by whom? Neither you nor I are under any obligation to believe the results published by any independent lab. So while the results may be 100% accurate they may be worth nothing.

Now we are finally thinking along the same lines. That is why I think the http://www.cpsc.gov/ can be such a big help.

In our field, billiard products, the chance that any user will ingest any part of the items we sell is infinitesimal. So even IF our products contained lead that was over the limit they would still need to be ingested or absorbed in significant quantities to be dangerous. But it has been pointed out that cues are finished over which creates a barrier between any paint and therefore blocks the transfer of any paint particles to the user..

I think a child has the same opportunity to chew on a wall in a house containing lead paint as he does to chew on a pool stick or pool case with hinges containing lead paid. As I stated earlier, why don't home owners just spray over walls instead of going thru high cost of removing lead paint that was applied in the 50's & 60's. Obviously a child's toy is more in contact with them on a day to day basis then a wall or pool product, but if lead is in them then the risk is still there.

To conclude, given that the chance of harm is so tiny as to be practically non-existent I think that it's safe to say that the question of safety was erroneously brought up and perpetrated not to find out fact but instead to simply cast aspersion..

Wrong--see response above.

We make pool cues however and they are just as safe as any made anywhere else in the world.

I hope so but China/Taiwan/Japan products and the recall of 2,000,000 of them should show enough concern to leave people with doubts.

 

[John Barton]

I think a child has the same opportunity to chew on a wall in a house containing lead paint as he does to chew on a pool stick or pool case with hinges containing lead paid. As I stated earlier, why don't home owners just spray over walls instead of going thru high cost of removing lead paint that was applied in the 50's & 60's. Obviously a child's toy is more in contact with them on a day to day basis then a wall or pool product, but if lead is in them then the risk is still there.
Wrong--see response above.

I hope so but China/Taiwan/Japan products and the recall of 2,000,000 of them should show enough concern to leave people with doubts.

And that same ravenous child who is crawling around the house chewing on random objects doesn't have the same "opportunity" to chew on a US Made cocobolo or ebony pool cue and ingest some toxic dust or wood after getting through the yummy finish?

It's incredibly hard to be polite to someone as willfully obstinate as yourself.

Please don't suddenly try to reinvent yourself as the Ralph Nader of the Billiards Community. It rings hollow.

The fact that you are grasping at this straw to further your "Buy American" agenda is obvious. It is clear to all of us, even the folks who also believe in Buying American, that your "concern" is dishonest.

I'd sure hate to see your fearmongering played out to the conclusion that all wood cues are banned and only carbon fiber bonded ones are allowed. Wouldn't THAT suck.

 

[John Barton]

Reason beats Fearmongering Sensationalists

There is a reason you won't quote the CPSC website. Because if you did it would completely annihilate your position:

As I suspected there is not a way for companies to submit a product to the CPSC for pre-inspection before it goes to market. The CPSC is a reactionary body that investigate the claims it can.

From the website:

"Reporting a product-related injury or unsafe product

Q. If I or someone in my family was harmed by a consumer product, or if I believe a product is unsafe, can I report it to CPSC?
A. Yes, we would welcome your report about an unsafe product. You can do that: online, by e-mail (hazard@cpsc.gov), phone (800/638-2772, x650), fax (800/809-0924) or letter (U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, Injury Report, Washington, DC 20207).

Q. What does CPSC do with my complaint and what feedback will I get from you?
A. First, you'll get a letter from CPSC's National Injury Information Clearinghouse shortly after we receive your complaint. It will describe how CPSC will use the information you sent and will request you to review the report and confirm its accuracy. At that point, you can make corrections or supply additional information.

Second, if you've identified a manufacturer in your complaint, we send it to the manufacturer. If you've told us that we may include your name and contact information in what we send to the manufacturer, you may receive a direct response from the company.

Third, we may or may not investigate your product complaint. We receive about 10,000 reports of product-related injuries and deaths a year from consumers and others. Due to our small staff size, we can investigate only a few of them. But if we decide to investigate the product you've reported to us, a CPSC investigator will contact you by phone or mail. (It may not be for some time after you send have us your complaint.) If, based on the investigation, we decide some recall or other action is required, we would not make that public until we issue a news release.

Whether or not we conduct an investigation of your product complaint, the information in it -- and in all of the product complaints we receive -- is a valuable resource for CPSC. It becomes part of our database, which we use to identify patterns of injuries and hazards associated with particular products. We then can use a wide range of tools to correct potentially unsafe products: voluntary standards, consumer education, safety guidelines, cooperative product recalls with manufacturers, and, as a last resort, mandatory rulemaking."

And since I could not find anything on billiard products I have to conclude that no complaints of significance have made it to the CPSC about billiard products in the last 30 years. That means that in 300,000 complaints none were about billiards to the point that they have caused any action by the CPSC.

As I said Watchez, infinitesimal are the chances that any human being on Earth is going to be harmed by a billiard cue when it is used properly.

And one last thing. If household objects are dangerous to children, be they from lead content or any other reason then it it the parent's responsibility to keep them away from those things. Cuemaker's are not responsible to make pool cues safe to eat.

 

[watchez]

It's incredibly hard to be polite to someone as willfully obstinate as yourself.

I can tell since you have wished me dead, I believe, three times in this thread alone. If that is your thought on being polite than you really need to work on your social skills along with your attitude as a businessman. There are many people I dislike but I don't wish them dead.

Please don't suddenly try to reinvent yourself as the Ralph Nader of the Billiards Community. It rings hollow.

Thanks for the compliment

The fact that you are grasping at this straw to further your "Buy American" agenda is obvious. It is clear to all of us, even the folks who also believe in Buying American, that your "concern" is dishonest.

Uhhh, I think that if you take a count, more people have sided with my point of view than yours. You are dilusional, as always. 'all of us', where the f**k do you get that premise from and the ability to make such a broad statement?

Also, I won't take the time to count but I believe it is 4 times you have made a questioning statement to me, I have provided the answer & then you conveniently change subjects. Here is the latest example.

I will be more than happy to submit any products we make to the same agency that is responsible for the toy and pet food testing. Point me in that direction and I will send them a sample of each product we make and cite Watchez's ???? concerns.

I have pointed---

Don't use the excuse that no one has filed a complaint. You offered to submit your products, unless I am not understanding what you wrote and what the words more than happy mean. Take it upon yourself as you have offered and submit your billiard products for all to see the results. At this point, all we have is your 'word', and I am starting to wonder how much that is worth. With your attitude as a businessman, your childish responses, your death wishes, I don't think your word is now worth a dang thing (putting it politely).

 

[manwon]

Manwon- If you haven't been back to St Louis in quite awhile, how do you know what East St Louis today is & compare it to St Charles of 1970? I don't think that St Charles was ever like East St Louis. I could be wrong, but I know in the past 25 years it is nothing like East STL. South of the park is Creve Coeur (actually our house was unincorporated St Louis County). I could see the lake from the top of my street on a nice winter day. North of the park is Maryland Hts., where you are from. Do a google map on Creve Coeur Park & you will see. Maryland Hts is more blue collar/industrial. Creve Coeur is, well, not. I am 39.

John- Please stay on line with the subject at hand. I am not concerned about the people making pool cues and their health. That is a risk that Jim Buss and his fellow members of the Cuemakers Association can deal with. I am concerned with the materials/usage of lead in products. Can I absorb this coco dust or carcinogenic finish thru my skin or nostrils after I am using the finished product that he creates? I spoke to Jim Buss, the rocket scientist turned Smithsonian pool cuemaker, and he said no. By the way, Jim Buss also lives in St Louis. Nice guy. Big talker. Expert cuemaker.

So let's see. Jim Buss cues are safe. Put them on the list. Gulyassy cues are safe. Put them on the list. Fury, McDermott, Blaze are not. Put them on the unsafe list, until I hear otherwise.

Did you go to Parkway School District? When I said Maryland Heights, I was talking about same area you called unincorporated St. Louis County. In fact, I also lived above the Park, it is a very fine line in that area between Maryland Heights, Creve Cour, and St. Louis County. Last time I was home Jim Buss had his shop located just down from Cue and Cushion at the intersection of Woodson Rd. and the end of Dorsett Rd. I don't remeber what Dorset Rd. turns into when it intersects Woodson. I stopped by and talked with Jim, the man has a very interesting set-up. I had not seen him in almost 20 years at that time. I also stoped by Cue and Cushion to say hello to the boys back there. I saw Al Pruit, Jim Crow, and some others, I also learned that Bob Huddleston Cue and Cushions owner had died. I also talked with Bob sons Craig and Chris who are now running the family business. That was year my mother died and I has to sell her home. I left the area in 1979 when I joined the US Army, I retired in 2003 from Ft. Lewis, Washington and plan to stay here in Lakewood, Washington.

I would bet we know some of the same people since we are only 10 years apart in age, and we lived in the same area. What is your last name?

 

[watchez]

manwon- send me an email if you like, watchez@charter.net, & we can take this discussion outside the board.

Dorsett=Midland @that part of town.

 

[John Barton]

I will be more than happy to submit any products we make to the same agency that is responsible for the toy and pet food testing. Point me in that direction and I will send them a sample of each product we make and cite Watchez's ???? concerns.

I have pointed---

Don't use the excuse that no one has filed a complaint. You offered to submit your products, unless I am not understanding what you wrote and what the words more than happy mean. Take it upon yourself as you have offered and submit your billiard products for all to see the results. At this point, all we have is your 'word', and I am starting to wonder how much that is worth. With your attitude as a businessman, your childish responses, your death wishes, I don't think your word is now worth a dang thing (putting it politely).

I thought you would take the time to read the parts I quoted. Or that perhaps you had read the website before telling me to send the product to the CPSC.

Because if you had then you would have seen that the ONLY way the CPSC evaluates a product is when they are investigating a claim.

So YOU have to report that our products are dangerous and IF the CPSC thinks your claim has merit then they will investigate it.

The CPSC does NOT test products in the absence of a complaint. So in short Watchez, you have to either be harmed or know someone who has been harmed by a Chinese billiard product and then report THAT product to the CPSC in order to have them test it.

My offer to submit stands. Make a complaint and I will send the CPSC each and every product they request. Again though, I hope that you are not making complaints and taking up the limited time of the 420 staff members who oversee 15,000 products that they already ARE aware of. I would hate to think that the next defective baby seat killed more babies because you have the CPSC working on your claims that pool cues are dangerous.

And like your unproven accusations, my proof of support for your hollow platform rests in the messages I receive from folks not participating in this thread. I am quite sure that they would be happy to step forward and proclaim the same on here if you would care to bet against me.

I suck as a businessman by the way. I am not a businessman, where did you get that idea? I create things and I tell fools like you where to go with your nutty ideas and false accusations. But if I were a businessman then I would have an obligation to my business to not let it be vandalized by punks like you.

What you are doing here is the equivalent of spraying cyber-graffiti all over my storefront. And it's not even well done.

So don't wonder when you are told off and that the admonishment is less than polite.

 

[watchez]

My offer to submit stands. Make a complaint and I will send the CPSC each and every product they request. Again though, I hope that you are not making complaints and taking up the limited time of the 420 staff members who oversee 15,000 products that they already ARE aware of. I would hate to think that the next defective baby seat killed more babies because you have the CPSC working on your claims that pool cues are dangerous.

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Your offer to submit stands only because you would be required by law to do so. You really have no idea what the chinese are doing to your billiard products. Just that they are cheap & you like the attention an American gets in their country.

Yep, I have tons of PMs too ALONG WITH the posters that aren't & havne't been scared to voice their opinion in this, a PUBLIC forum.

So please stop threatening me and wishing will ill upon me from 5,000 miles away (or however far it is) & get down to your chinese factory to see what is really going on.

 

[John Barton]

Your offer to submit stands only because you would be required by law to do so. You really have no idea what the chinese are doing to your billiard products. Just that they are cheap & you like the attention an American gets in their country.

Yep, I have tons of PMs too ALONG WITH the posters that aren't & havne't been scared to voice their opinion in this, a PUBLIC forum.

So please stop threatening me and wishing will ill upon me from 5,000 miles away (or however far it is) & get down to your chinese factory to see what is really going on.

Will the real Watchez please stand up! Stick a fork in him - he is DONE!

Let me say this really s l o w l y......... I....... can....... not......... send ......... products ....... to ......... the ......... Consumer Products ...... Safety ....... Commission ....... to ......
be ...... evaluated ...... without ....... them ..... requesting ..... the ..... products ..... because ...... they
do ..... not ...... work ....... that ..... way. No ..... company ..... can.


Please file a complaint OR take me up on my offer to have an independent lab check the cues for you. Since you are the one making the accusations all you need to is put up your money and if you are right you make money and are a hero. If you are wrong.... well let's not think sad thoughts.