Do you know what a poolroom is?

JAM

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During the 1800s, the term "poolroom" actually denoted a place where people could lay down bets on racing horses. The word "pool" came to describe the act of ante-ing into a collective bet placed on a billiard game.

It almost seems as if gambling has always been inherently intertwined in pool. Movies like "The Hustler" and "The Color of Money" only reinforced pool's dirty little secret.

Apparently Thomas Jefferson wasn't a big fan of the sport, which likely evolved from a lawn game played in northern Europe in the 1400s. Near the end of his life he mentions billiards in his penned "Thoughts on Lotteries."

In the paper, the third president opined that some games of chance "produce nothing, and endanger the well-being of the individuals engaged in them, or of others depending on them. Such are games with cards, dice, billiards, etc."

It has been widely disseminated that Jefferson intended Monticello's Dome Room to be a place where billiards could be played. Jefferson scholars such as Merrill Peterson have refuted that.


The conflict of gambling seems to have plagued pool for centuries. There are purists who definitely feel gambling has caused pool's great demise in popularity.

Pool has had its ups and downs. Scholars and pool scientists have examined the reasons why.

Here is an interesting article about pool, if you care to read it: Billiards Parlors Took Style Cues from Patrons [Retrieved 23 August 2009]

A 1906 advertisement touting the establishment read, "After a day of toil, worry and mental fatigue, what better way is there of spending a social hour or so with a few jovial and merry friends in the good old scientific games of pool or billiards."

Scientific games of pool or billiards? Ah, the lifestyles of the rich and famous. That's the way it used to be in pool.

Maybe it's the name "pool" which has plagued this sport/game we have all come to love. Word origins have always intrigued me, and so I found the article interesting; thus, the reason for me sharing it with this forum. :)

That said, pool without gambling is like a party without cocktails. Who ever came up with that word "cocktail"? :grin-square:
 

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The article wouldn't come up for me? :( I have a new computer and I'm discovering that sometimes Vista causes me problems like that... even if I use the control button when cllicking on the link. In this case I was taken to the site but there was no content.
 
....That said, pool without gambling is like a party without cocktails....

Actually, thinking like that is what stopped pool to become the great sport that it could become and why pool always looses when the economy is down (like after every war)...
 
The article wouldn't come up for me? :( I have a new computer and I'm discovering that sometimes Vista causes me problems like that... even if I use the control button when cllicking on the link. In this case I was taken to the site but there was no content.

Draz took care of that problem!! He copied and pm'd me the article. Very thoughful of you Draz. Thanks again.
 
Actually, thinking like that is what stopped pool to become the great sport that it could become and why pool always looses when the economy is down (like after every war)...

The economy has gone up and down in my lifetime, and pool still seems to have one tire stuck in the sand as far as becoming a great sport.

I am of the belief that gambling doesn't have anything to do with it, but there are many who hold the same opinion as you do when it comes to gambling.

I know that the DCC is one of the biggest pool meccas of the year, and one of its many key attractions is, well, the gambling. :grin-square:
 
Draz took care of that problem!! He copied and pm'd me the article. Very thoughful of you Draz. Thanks again.

Jim, when my brother first got a Vista operating system, he experienced a lot of stop signs initially. However, now that he's been on it a while, he loves it. I think in the beginning, you will need to tweak your settings, until you get a comfort level.

There is life after Windows XP, so I hear. I haven't switched yet. :o
 
Really cool article, thanks. I'm not playing with ivory ferrules anymore.

One of the BEST, BEST, BEST pool cues I ever owned was a sneaky pete with an ivory ferrule. I loved it, the hit and everything about it. I bought it from Chester Morris, a trick-shot artist from Maryland who used to sell cues out of the trunk of his car. :)
 
Jim, when my brother first got a Vista operating system, he experienced a lot of stop signs initially. However, now that he's been on it a while, he loves it. I think in the beginning, you will need to tweak your settings, until you get a comfort level.

There is life after Windows XP, so I hear. I haven't switched yet. :o

I switched back to XP from Vista. I hated Vista...but I'm a lo-tech guy. Johnnyt

PS: Great artical Jam.
 
Actually, thinking like that is what stopped pool to become the great sport that it could become and why pool always looses when the economy is down (like after every war)...
Respectfully, I have to disagree. There are far more wagers being placed on golf courses around the country than on pool tables and that fact hasn't seemed to stop it's popularity.

Pool actually had a huge rise during the Great Depression so I'm not sure that argument has any weight, either.

My opinion, FWIW, is that no one has been able to capture pool properly for TV. It's being covered better than it ever has and HD TV can really make it look terrific. But it may need the human aspect of it (gamblers sweating over a shot that's worth a lot of their own money, for example, or hearing their story behind the scenes like they do on the WSOP) in order to drive into the main stream. Additionally, it looks very easy but is extremely difficult to play well and the subtleties are only known if you really play.

I don't have the answer, by the way, but I suspect it may not be a single answer.

Brian in VA
 
Johnnyt,

You're not alone in your opinion on Vista. Vista has bombed terribly. This is Microsoft version of the New Coke marketing fiasco, a great majority of home and business users staying loyal to XP (Coke Classic).

The Vista backlash has forced Microsoft to extend XP support for an additional 5 years, up until 2014.

I switched back to XP from Vista. I hated Vista...but I'm a lo-tech guy. Johnnyt

PS: Great artical Jam.
 
Thomas Jefferson, I think we'd all agree, was a great man. But he is most definitely wrong about one thing: Pool is NOT a game of chance. Well, maybe not just one thing. He probably was a little misguided on the slave thing too.
 
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Respectfully, I have to disagree. There are far more wagers being placed on golf courses around the country than on pool tables and that fact hasn't seemed to stop it's popularity.

Pool actually had a huge rise during the Great Depression so I'm not sure that argument has any weight, either.

My opinion, FWIW, is that no one has been able to capture pool properly for TV. It's being covered better than it ever has and HD TV can really make it look terrific. But it may need the human aspect of it (gamblers sweating over a shot that's worth a lot of their own money, for example, or hearing their story behind the scenes like they do on the WSOP) in order to drive into the main stream. Additionally, it looks very easy but is extremely difficult to play well and the subtleties are only known if you really play.

I don't have the answer, by the way, but I suspect it may not be a single answer.

Brian in VA

Almost every big war that the USA took part in was followed by some sort of depression.

Taken from the BCA Billiards history by Mike Shamos:
Pool went to war several times as a popular recreation for the troops. Professional players toured military posts giving exhibitions; some even worked in the defense industry. But the game had more trouble emerging from World War II than it had getting into it. Returning soldiers were in a mood to buy houses and build careers, and the charm of an afternoon spent at the pool table was a thing of the past. Room after room closed quietly and by the end of the 1950’s it looked as though the game might pass into oblivion. Willie Mosconi, who won or successfully defended the pocket billiard title 19 times, retired as champion in 1956.

It's not TV that saved pool, it was the movies...

Taken from the BCA Billiards history by Mike Shamos:
Billiards was revived by two events, one in 1961, the other in 1986. The first was the release of the movie, “The Hustler”, based on the novel by Walter Tevis. The film depicted the dark life of a pool hustler with Paul Newman in the title role. New rooms opened all over the country and for the remainder of the 60’s pool flourished, until social concerns, the Vietnam War, and an increase in outdoor activities led to a decline in the game. In 1986, “The Color of Money”, the sequel to “The Hustler” with Paul Newman in the same role and Tom Cruise as an up-and-coming professional, brought the excitement of pool to a new generation. The opening of upscale rooms catered to a new type of player, whose senses may have been offended by the old cliché of poolrooms.


"Pool actually had a huge rise during the Great Depression"
ARE YOU SURE?
Taken from the BCA Billiards history by Mike Shamos:
While the game has had its heroes since the early 1800’s, it has waged a constant battle for respectability. In the 1920’s, the poolroom was an environment in which men gathered to loiter, fight, bet and play, so they were often the target of politicians eager to show their ability to purge immorality from the communities. Most rooms now bear no resemblance to those of earlier times. The atmosphere of many new rooms approaches that of chic restaurants and night clubs. They offer quality equipment, expert instruction, and the chance for people to meet socially for a friendly evening. These rooms have helped contribute to the greatest interest in billiards in over a century.

From looking at the history of pool in America, it seems that during every depression, there was a drop in pool's popularity.
The great depression is probably what killed it more then anything else.... from the "Game of Kings" it became the game of hustlers.... and image that this sport is trying to shake till this day...
This why I said that sentences like JAM wrote up there is not helping much either...

Pool and TV never worked well in America, it's only the viewers and sponsors fault, the American audience was looking for fast action and billiards doesn't provide that kind of action. Today we can honestly say that the decision for pro pool to go to 9ball from 14.1 didn't bare any fruits either in getting pool into the spotlights.
If we look at how snooker is doing in the UK then we'll see how a very slow game is getting a lot of attention and that's only because the British crowed is more patient than the American. Snooker is the second most watched sport on TV in the UK after soccer (football).

In many countries in Europe, pool is regarded as a sport, you see it in the way countries are represented in the European Pool Championships, just like any sport delegation to the Olympics,with uniforms, team coach etc.
And by the way, there is no money prizes there, just medals! like in a real sport event.... and you know what, I don't think that pool in Europe suffered from the current economy as much as pool in the USA.

It's hard to compare pool to golf, or tennis for that matter, simply because these sports are outdoor sports, which are easier to relate to as sports.

I doubt that pro golfer or tennis players meet for a money game....
For years Tennis and Golf were considered a rich man game, and maybe that is what saved them and made them to what they are today, if only pool was still a "Game of Kings" for a few more decades instead becoming a hustler game then we could have watch the turning-stone tourny on ESPN instead of online streaming...
 
Who ever came up with that word "cocktail"? :grin-square:

Interesting read JAM and thank you for sharing. I have done prolonged and expensive research concerning aperitifs and their affects on my body without pondering the etymology of the word. Cocktail was a word that seemed rather fitting when thinking about the various and questionable situtations I would often find myself in after imbibing. It was a safe assumption that the word originated with a man.:)

Todd



cocktail
"first attested 1806; H.L. Mencken lists seven versions of its origin, perhaps the most persuasive is Fr. coquetier "egg-cup." In New Orleans, c.1795, Antoine Amédée Peychaud, an apothecary (and inventor of Peychaud bitters) held Masonic social gatherings at his pharmacy, where he mixed brandy toddies with his own bitters and served them in an egg-cup. The drink took the name of the cup, in Eng. cocktay. Cocktail party first attested 1928."
 
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The "Pool Table," was actually brought in to keep the bettors entertained for the time, in between races. Let's see, we have people with money that like to gamble. What else are they going to do?
 
Respectfully, I have to disagree. There are far more wagers being placed on golf courses around the country than on pool tables and that fact hasn't seemed to stop it's popularity.

Pool actually had a huge rise during the Great Depression so I'm not sure that argument has any weight, either.

My opinion, FWIW, is that no one has been able to capture pool properly for TV. It's being covered better than it ever has and HD TV can really make it look terrific. But it may need the human aspect of it (gamblers sweating over a shot that's worth a lot of their own money, for example, or hearing their story behind the scenes like they do on the WSOP) in order to drive into the main stream. Additionally, it looks very easy but is extremely difficult to play well and the subtleties are only known if you really play.

I don't have the answer, by the way, but I suspect it may not be a single answer.

Brian in VA
The only way for pool to be successful on TV in my opinion is to broadcast it Live.
I know there have been countless threads about this already, discussed in much greater detail...but that is my take on it.
No one (pool player) can really enjoy a match between two greats when the score is 10-4 in a race to 11 and the program has 6 minutes left in the broadcast. Gee, I wonder who will win...LOL

And of course, sponsorship and PROPER commentary won't hurt either...:)
And the elimination of the pocket cam, and showing a lucky shot as the "Shot of the Match". Yes, they're trying to bring pool into the mainstream but can we have it to where us pool players enjoy it first?
 
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