Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

  • I always go by feel

    Votes: 153 53.5%

  • Usually by feel, with aiming systems for hard shots

    Votes: 68 23.8%

  • Usually with aiming systems, by feel for easy shots

    Votes: 24 8.4%

  • I always use aiming systems

    Votes: 26 9.1%

  • I just hit balls very hard and hope they sink

    Votes: 15 5.2%
  • Total voters
    286
duckie said:
The contact area never changes size. This is based on the size of the balls only.

What is being discussed is the margin of error which is that area on the OB that the CB can contact and the OB goes in the pocket.

The contact area for a center pocket shot is always the same no matter distance.

There is a difference in just putting the ball in the pocket and putting the ball into a specific part of the pocket. Just putting a ball in the pocket is what margin of area does. To put the ball into a specfic part of the pocket requires contacting a specfic area on the OB and not a range of area size that just allows the ball to go any where in the pocket.
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I'll agree to a point... You can always pick a specific part of a pocket when you need to cheat the pocket for position... But what if the pockets play tight and you're not very close?

If the pockets are tight you may need to play shape differently than on a table with loose pockets. That is why the OB contact area matters on different table pockets.
I prefer to play tight pockets, but then you don't have the same positioning options as a table with sloppy pockets... where you can hit any part of any pocket from anywhere.
 
Ron Swanson said:
Are scott and randy advocates of aiming systems?
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Randyg can teach a dozen different aiming systems including CTE and Off-Set aiming.

Yes, I am an advocate of a system, that's how the brain functions automatically.

I personally use three different systems which include CTE as my main system, Off-sett aiming as a back up and S.A.M as a reference. Just because I do, doesn't mean anyone else has too.

There are probably six fundamental aiming systems and everything else is spun off of those six.

Our job in Pool School is to find out how your brain works and then find a aiming system that fits. Not one fits all.

randyg
 
Ron Swanson said:
And they can teach a pro level player how to aim?
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I have taught dozens of "pro's" aiming systems.
You don't teach them how to aim, you teach them a system to recognize all shots with.

Pro's are easy, rookies a little tougher.

randyg
 
When it comes to a system like CTE, the biggest issue isn't that it doesn't work, but that it doesn't work without subconscious adjustments.

It used to bother me when folks would say that I was adjusting, and that's the only reason I was making shots. "How dare they? Who are they to tell me what I'm doing?" Then it dawned on me. How do I know what I'm doing? As much as I'd like to think I can be totally in control of every action I take. I can't. No one can.

Who cares though? Why does it matter if subconscious adjustments are being made (aside from marketing purposes)? The system can still help players become better ball pocketers.

I accept the fact that minor adjustments might be made when using the system, and I would still recommend it to anyone who is struggling with making balls.
 
BeiberLvr said:
When it comes to a system like CTE, the biggest issue isn't that it doesn't work, but that it doesn't work without subconscious adjustments.

It used to bother me when folks would say that I was adjusting, and that's the only reason I was making shots. "How dare they? Who are they to tell me what I'm doing?" Then it dawned on me. How do I know what I'm doing? As much as I'd like to think I can be totally in control of every action I take. I can't. No one can.

Who cares though? Why does it matter if subconscious adjustments are being made (aside from marketing purposes)? The system can still help players become better ball pocketers.

I accept the fact that minor adjustments might be made when using the system, and I would still recommend it to anyone who is struggling with making balls.
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Well said. A realistic view of CTE that finds value where it really exists. I think systems like CTE (although I prefer the less complicated ones) can be helpful too, especially when taught realistically.

pj
chgo
 
BeiberLvr said:
When it comes to a system like CTE, the biggest issue isn't that it doesn't work, but that it doesn't work without subconscious adjustments.

It used to bother me when folks would say that I was adjusting, and that's the only reason I was making shots. "How dare they? Who are they to tell me what I'm doing?" Then it dawned on me. How do I know what I'm doing? As much as I'd like to think I can be totally in control of every action I take. I can't. No one can.

Who cares though? Why does it matter if subconscious adjustments are being made (aside from marketing purposes)? The system can still help players become better ball pocketers.

I accept the fact that minor adjustments might be made when using the system, and I would still recommend it to anyone who is struggling with making balls.
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SamLambert said:
I've been reading/watching a lot of information since I started playing pool. I watched videos, I bought DVDs, I read books and they almost always mention aiming systems.

I tried most of them, maybe I didn't spend enough time using them, but I can't seem to end up liking them more than going by feel. Going by feel seems to work just fine for me and I can only guess it will get even better with time, while I feel aiming systems are a bit unnatural and takes from your concentration.

What do you guys do? Aiming systems or feel? A bit of both?
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i learned pro one cte system from phil burford (england) and been on it about 3 yrs now. i took it to another level and it's so simple i'm in awe of what i discovered. need to nail it down as mine and how to market it but just incredible find. eddiethelock.com splains it a little and don't know when i will release info. but gonna
 
IMO Aiming systems can "get you in the ball park" but the rest is your brain calculating. The truth of the matter is that if any one system was perfect, no one would miss much. Sure you can argue and say their stroke or pre shot routine was off but a lot of people have great technique and still miss. If one system worked we'd have only have to work on cue control :-)
 
medallio said:
IMO Aiming systems can "get you in the ball park" but the rest is your brain calculating. The truth of the matter is that if any one system was perfect, no one would miss much. Sure you can argue and say their stroke or pre shot routine was off but a lot of people have great technique and still miss. If one system worked we'd have only have to work on cue control :-)
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Sorry, but if you really think most people repeatedly hit the cb where they intend to hit, you are very wrong. Not to mention that most aiming systems are for center ball hits. If you use english, you have to compensate for that some way and that can throw the aim line off also.
 
eddiethelock said:
i learned pro one cte system from phil burford (england) and been on it about 3 yrs now. i took it to another level and it's so simple i'm in awe of what i discovered. need to nail it down as mine and how to market it but just incredible find. eddiethelock.com splains it a little and don't know when i will release info. but gonna
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You're a wise man.
Probably wiser than you realize.
Keep on sluggin' 'em in the holes. :)
 
@neil...Yes, a lot of people don't deliver cue stick where they intended. I believe I said that, but my point is there are a lot of people who do and they still miss. If one aiming system was perfect those with good technique would barely miss at all.
 
medallio said:
IMO Aiming systems can "get you in the ball park" but the rest is your brain calculating. The truth of the matter is that if any one system was perfect, no one would miss much. Sure you can argue and say their stroke or pre shot routine was off but a lot of people have great technique and still miss. If one system worked we'd have only have to work on cue control :-)
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If you can strike one ball perfectly, make it the cue ball.
 
I don't discount anything. Have someone who has been using an aiming system try and play completely by feel for a few racks. See if there is a difference. If they are missing a lot by feel and more accurate using their system than it works for them.

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