Post the shot
Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?
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Post the shot
How can that be when we see the visual & have a fixed cue ball & make a 1/2 tip pivot in the correct direction which should be the exact same thing that you do?
Do you know a 'secret' that we do not?
Absolutely. CTE also REQUIRES a lot of time and repetition to master. It's not the magic bullet the knockers claim that the proponents claim it is - which the proponents have never claimed.
You shouldn't have stopped listening. Just as Efren was asked how he knows so many incredible shots and his answer was he watches amateurs make crazy unintended shots and then he goes to the table and figures out how to make them intentionally.
You didn't learn whatever method you were conversing with Hal about correctly. It's common to try something like this and not have immediate success and then just throw it away.
Here is a video I did several years ago addressing parallel shots.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb9e6NuNteE
Apparently although it's not really a secret. Your friend made it right.
Post any shots you want and CTE people will shoot them. We want to know the limits if any.
If you could please post a video of you making them. Truly impossible shots are not a fair test.
I will make this bet. For a drink
IF the cue ball and object ball are more than six inches from the rail and the shot IS makeable then the CTE user will figure it out inside five shots and own it forever thereafter.
Not only that the CTE user will divulge the EXACT key to aiming it.
By the way the ONLY shot he missed was the three rail bank.
Try this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwdyDAisc6o
You say the CTE you know of was taught to you by Hal. Just for the record, while somewhat similar, that is not the CTE taught by Stan and what everyone is talking about on here. Hal was known for not showing all the parts when he showed someone what it could do. You had to spend time with him to get more. Stan took what Hal had and ran with it and refined it into CTE/Pro One.
I don't understand your problem. People bet on things all the time. The same demonstration can be done for free.
Say the word and I will have someone in Chicago livestream you and you can go up against Stan in a shotmaking contest for free.
I trust we won't need a shot clock to deal with your fidgeting while trying to fidn the aiming line?
While Patrick speaks for himself, and with his own character traits, I think I agree with him on all analytical matters pertaining to CTE.
And though, it's probably not feasible or practical, I will accept a true potting positional challenge against any CTE user if they are willing to travel to Australia.
The game would be 10 ball rotation, 1 point per ball, on a 12 foot snooker table using 2&1/16th inch balls, where 2 rails must be hit in addition to a nominated pot, in order to continue the visit, else it's ball in hand to the incoming player. Race to 200 points.
There are a few other operational rules, but this should suffice to explain the nature of this purely offensive potting positional game format.
You get 3:1 if you want to play me JB.
Cheers,
Colin
That would be awesome if Stan did something like that. As to the bold part, see my comment above.
I just said the opposite of that. Anybody would be a fool to think they can't bet any better than they are. Even Efren said he wonders how much better he could have been if he met a Mark Wilson early in his career. lol.
Maybe I misapplied CTE, but I'm not sure how.
I can't see that far Colin and grandpappy taught me not to try to bust a man in his own house.
I already know you are a far better player than me based on what I see as your discipline alone.
And I already learned my lesson about being cast as the poster boy for CTE. I am a cheerleader and nothing more.
We are discussing aiming methods and CTE specifically as pertains to pool tables so that's where any such challenge matches will take place. I also do NOT consider a game of pool to be a good challenge due to the variables present. Both players are not equally challenged. Your potting test for example IS an acceptable challenge in my opinion. The highest scorer there was a CTE user IIRC ;-)
I am 100% confident that if you and Stan were to ever get together in the same space that some magical insights would emerge. I respect both of you tremendously and believe wholeheartedly that CTE would be seen in a new light once you got to experience Stan in person. I have no doubt with your analytical and most importantly OPEN mind you would likely find the holy grail missing nugget that explains the underlying physics at play here.
Dan can you provide the reference where Efren said that? I like to think I am pretty up on "things Efren said" and I missed that one. Mark is a great guy and coach so nothing against him.
It's not a secret Rick. It has been explained in detail many times. It's step one. You and many others just gloss over it and dismiss it, then miss and say the system doesn't work as described. The secret, is that those that use it successfully simply followed the correct steps to completion.
Here's a shot that should keep you entertained for a while JB:Post any shots you want and CTE people will shoot them. We want to know the limits if any.
If you could please post a video of you making them. Truly impossible shots are not a fair test.
I will make this bet. For a drink
IF the cue ball and object ball are more than six inches from the rail and the shot IS makeable then the CTE user will figure it out inside five shots and own it forever thereafter.
Not only that the CTE user will divulge the EXACT key to aiming it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_BhOk_IFY0
Note: OB & CB to contact 5 rails each.
And you'll really impress me if you can make shots #8, #12, #15 and #21 from this video of mine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keznf66dSHE
Good luck using CTE on them. :thumbup:
Cheers,
Colin
Dan,
Patrick just wants to be spoon fed the answers instead of immersing himself in the material and discovering them. If Dr. Dave got a grant to go study CTE and went to Stan and came back praising it then Pat would do a 100% about face on the subject is my guess.
I am not 100% sure what Rick's issues are yet. I think I missed some discussions when I was gone. There was a time when Rick was using CTE on a snooker table and bragging about the accuracy IIRC.
Patrick just wants to be spoon fed the answers instead of immersing himself in the material and discovering them. If Dr. Dave got a grant to go study CTE and went to Stan and came back praising it then Pat would do a 100% about face on the subject is my guess.
I am not 100% sure what Rick's issues are yet. I think I missed some discussions when I was gone. There was a time when Rick was using CTE on a snooker table and bragging about the accuracy IIRC.
Are you joking? All of these shots can be lined up with CTE and then either straight BHE or adjusted off the CTE baseline. I can do them all and like you I might need several takes per shot but I can do each and every one, all 25. When I have the time I will spend a day and try to get them all down on video.
Do we get paid double when Stan and Gerry do them too? ;-)
That opening line is a pisser JB, that means hilarious here in Oz.
I know the challenge is not realistic, but if someone is ever heading over here, it's up for negotiation, and.or if I get the the US again.
I respect Stan too and happy to provide advice on what I know regarding going from slight overcut aim to compensating for throw and even swerve using pivoting knowledge.
We may never see eye to eye on various things, but that's not really a bother, as most my friends don't have much more than a vague idea about the range of my opinions and often hold disparate views. It's about finding common ground, not mirrors.
Cheers,
Colin