Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

Do you use an aiming system or go by feel?

  • I always go by feel

    Votes: 153 53.5%
  • Usually by feel, with aiming systems for hard shots

    Votes: 68 23.8%
  • Usually with aiming systems, by feel for easy shots

    Votes: 24 8.4%
  • I always use aiming systems

    Votes: 26 9.1%
  • I just hit balls very hard and hope they sink

    Votes: 15 5.2%

  • Total voters
    286
Sean Fleinen said he was going to do & almost like 'Mafia Style' he disappeared. Does anyone know what happened to Sean?

Sean is fine, and like many long time contributors to AZB, he spends more time interacting on Facebook than here.

He and his wife vacationed near here last month and I got to shoot a little with him.

No, aiming didn't come up in the discussion.
 
I just want the math behind ghost ball before I will use it. I can't imagine how poor Duckie does it without the calculus that explains gb. Just that little paper arrow template thingy isn't enough to validate gb on the table.

Stan might be right but even if someone posted some math and diagrams claiming to give the underlying mathematical basis for CTE it would be dismissed and scoffed at and it wouldn't even be comprehensible to 99% of the membership here. Ergo it would likely be useless in the practical sense.



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1 1/8" from the contact point is the math behind the ghost ball .
Same with the stroking line on no English shots.

Diagrams for CTE would be great . Sorry, so many MISREPRESENT CTE .
And from what Stan says, there are very few QUALIFIED TO TEACH IT.
It's like every other person has a different expertise on CTE but are not qualified to teach it .

Vertical lines showing what the visuals and processes are would be very beneficial.
The first Pro 1 DVD was not all that clear to many.
A book or manual would be better for a lot of people.
 
So listening to you guys it seems the subconscious only adjusts to make balls. Doesn't your subconscious also hold onto missed balls? Does it ever adjust to miss? After a match i remember the misses more.
The 5 shot video is pretty advanced in the learning aspect of cte and for beginners and new users they would be much better suited to start with easier shots. CTE is really a visual system that's why so much of Stan's youtube focuses on easier shots. It is paramount to get the visuals ingrained.

Simple response. That's NOT how an objective system would work.

You seem to want to detach the subconscious mind from the conscious mind's INTENTIONS & DESIRES.

I would trust my subconscious mind before I would would trust my consciousness.
 
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Is cut induced throw (CIT) a constant? Does a perfect center CB hit aimed at the edge of the OB (CTE) result in the same cut angle or is it affected by speed?

If it varies, then it cannot be diagramed without caveats.
 
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You were leading the witness trying to trap him, pretty obvious.

No quite so. I was delving into John's thinking regarding the issue as different things have been said at different times.

That was a question searching for clarification.

The fact that seemingly many on the CTE side seem to think that they are omniscient & can read the minds & intentions of others is what results in wasted time & effort.

I am starting to think that that might be an intentional tactic & perhaps even a coordinated one since it seems to be so prevalent on that side.

Best Wishes.
 
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What would happen? What has happened is that Dan did more for you in a few days than you all have done in the six years or so since I have seen these arguments raging on azb.

At this moment Dan's videos exist and any viewer can view his findings and my rebuttal and decide for themselves what to believe based on their own observation guided by each of our comments.

You seem to think that any video put up by your side should not be rebutted or analyzed.

Not very sporting of you.

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A mischaracterization on your part with your slant on matters.

Anyone can read all of the 'arguments' from both sides & make their own determinations.

There is no need for any video as video would prove nothing either way when it comes down to whether or not one's subjectivity is employed or not.

ONLY intelligent critical thinking & explanation can do that & I am sure it has & is influencing thousands if not tens of thousands here on AZB.

Best Wishes.
 
I just want the math behind ghost ball before I will use it. I can't imagine how poor Duckie does it without the calculus that explains gb. Just that little paper arrow template thingy isn't enough to validate gb on the table.

Stan might be right but even if someone posted some math and diagrams claiming to give the underlying mathematical basis for CTE it would be dismissed and scoffed at and it wouldn't even be comprehensible to 99% of the membership here. Ergo it would likely be useless in the practical sense.



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Another mischaracterization on your part with your slant on matters.

Are you questioning the physics regarding what is commonly known as Ghost Ball?

Best Wishes.
 
Sean is fine, and like many long time contributors to AZB, he spends more time interacting on Facebook than here.

He and his wife vacationed near here last month and I got to shoot a little with him.

No, aiming didn't come up in the discussion.

Thanks for the update. I'm glad he's well.
 
Is cut induced throw (CIT) a constant? Does a perfect center CB hit aimed at the edge of the OB (CTE) result in the same cut angle or is it affected by speed?

If it varies, then it cannot be diagramed without caveats.
Exactly, cloth type, humidity, speed, ball condition, chalk on cueball, etc.....are some variables that can affect the most well aimed and well stroked shot.

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So now Stan decides what will or may be done or not by others?

That sort of indicates that you are a member following a cult leader.


Best Wishes.

You don't even understand "probably" lol.
Cult, great fall back from the nonusers.
It is Stan's system, he knows more about it than anyone.
 
No quite so. I was delving into John's thinking regarding the issue as different things have been said at different times.

That was a question searching for clarification.

The fact that seemingly many on the CTE side seem to think that they are omniscient & can read the minds & intentions of others is what results in wasted time & effort.

I am starting to think that that might be an intentional tactic & perhaps even coordinated one since it seems to be so prevalent on that side.

Best Wishes.

whoooooo, you are the one telling US how we are making shots. It's you that THINKS we are doing things we say we aren't. You are the definition of one who thinks they can read minds.
 
Is cut induced throw (CIT) a constant? Does a perfect center CB hit aimed at the edge of the OB (CTE) result in the same cut angle or is it affected by speed?

If it varies, then it cannot be diagramed without caveats.

I think you know, as well as most good players. that it is effected by the speed of shot & also the fullness or thinness of the hit.

That is one of Duckie Greg's pet peeves. What actual speed of shot?

So... are you suggesting that there really can be no real system that takes one to the shot line given the above?

Or... like PJ likes to say, not one small enough to be practical in use?

Stay Well.
 
I am sure it has & is influencing thousands if not tens of thousands here on AZB.
Whoa, big fella.

Your reading/posting audience on this forum right now is 10, including you and me. There are less than 200 reading and posting on the Main Forum.

I hope you didn't come here for the exposure. We're not shaping public opinion here.

pj
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No quite so. I was delving into John's thinking regarding the issue as different things have been said at different times.

That was a question searching for clarification.

The fact that seemingly many on the CTE side seem to think that they are omniscient & can read the minds & intentions of others is what results in wasted time & effort.

I am starting to think that that might be an intentional tactic & perhaps even coordinated one since it seems to be so prevalent on that side.

Best Wishes.
Damn, we got caught boys.....Rick you figured it out. Each morning the CTE marketing group has a meeting where we discuss who we will target and what strategy we will employ. You should see the gannt chart we have and the names on it.

Or

Perhaps we all say similar things about CTE because each of us has separately had similar experiences during our table time with CTE.

You pick the option you think sounds more fun.

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So now Stan decides what will or may be done or not by others?

That sort of indicates that you are a member following a cult leader.


Best Wishes.
I think it's more of a prediction based on current knowledge.

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A mischaracterization on your part with your slant on matters.

Anyone can read all of the 'arguments' from both sides & make their own determinations.

There is no need for any video as video would prove nothing either way when it comes down to whether or not one's subjectivity is employed or not.

ONLY intelligent critical thinking & explanation can do that & I am sure it has & is influencing thousands if not tens of thousands here on AZB.

Best Wishes.
You overestimate your reach on azb concerning this topic. Not that many stick around to read your novels set on repeat. What they do do however is watch the linked videos.

So again, step up your video game if you really want to make a difference. On here you are simply on a small merry go round.

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Another mischaracterization on your part with your slant on matters.

Are you questioning the physics regarding what is commonly known as Ghost Ball?

Best Wishes.

What physics are those? Do you mean the geometry? The calculus? Or the metaphysics involved in imagining a fully formed ball correctly adjusted for contact induced throw?

Yes I am certainly questioning that if that's what you mean.

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You don't even understand "probably" lol.
Cult, great fall back from the nonusers.
It is Stan's system, he knows more about it than anyone.

I understand 'probably'. I also understand the implications & made the connection to why Stan said that the math will 'probably' never be done.

He implied that it's because he says it is a visual system & he seems to think that that would preclude math explaining it.

What it seems some do not understand or perhaps just do not want to face it or have it out is that 'math' is man made & not really a real science like physics & others. It was made by man as a tool to explain the real sciences.

Science governs even a 'visual system' & man can use or devise math to explain it.

AND... can some one please define exactly what is 'visual intelligence'?

Intelligence is not a visual thing.

As I've explained before, the image on the retina of our eye from our VISION is upside down just as it is with a camera & it is one's brain that basically configures it so that we are able to perform without a conscious intellectual process needing to be done to reach 'up for down' so to speak.

It, the math, is basically there as Poolplaya9 said. It just says differently than what Y'all want it to say.

As I mentioned to John. One can not start with a false premise & then come out with The Truth.

Best Wishes.
 
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