Don Sherman / sureman183
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actually, what we want as a member of AZ is Don to speak up...that's it. I know Don got a good reputation in the past and i also know Chris is a good gentleman. If Don feel he is a honest seller on this situation, why he choose to silence
Good luck with all this. And rember Experts are a dime a dozen Honest Cue Dealers are so very few and Don is one of them.
Nick
Sorry Nick, try again.
Doesn't appear to be the case here.
Don needs to make this right.
Just in case some missed this
Deal gone south.
If it was me like I said before the cue dealer would have to
deal with me in person. If the deal went as planned Then that would be it. But steal from me and I will find you and show you I mean business, money comes and goes; some people say live and learn. Not in this case if a man stole a dream from me like he has here he would have to stare me in the eye to do it. I would have already been on a plane to Tunica, that way there is no more chance for Him to not communicate! Who knows maybe a face to face and this all gets worked out, we'll never know as long the participants keep playing he said - he said tag.
If it was me like I said before the cue dealer would have to
deal with me in person. If the deal went as planned Then that would be it. But steal from me and I will find you and show you I mean business, money comes and goes; some people say live and learn. Not in this case if a man stole a dream from me like he has here he would have to stare me in the eye to do it. I would have already been on a plane to Tunica, that way there is no more chance for Him to not communicate! Who knows maybe a face to face and this all gets worked out, we'll never know as long the participants keep playing he said - he said tag.
KJcues:
I'm not writing this to pick sides or even to offer my opinion on the matter.
It'sfr:Next he writes
KJcues: don is a good man and has a good heart
It'sfr: That seems like an opinion (especially in this situation)
KJcues: Judgement seems to come easily for some of you.
It'sfr: Well I read the facts Chris presented (that Dons had ample time to dispute, BUT HASN'T) yep fairly easy to judge on this one
KJcues: This thread is no longer about don and Chris
It'sfr: Well sure it is, when your not trying to steer it elsewhere.
Kjcues: It's about the AZ community and how it treats an issue with limited information.
It'sfr: There's only limited info, because after Chris's many attempts
to communicate and with more than ample time. The best "good guy don"
could do was say I'm done through a third party.
KJcues: Lynch mob mentality is not justice.
It'sfr:Chris has done everything possible to get "good hearted don" to
communicate, but beg. He's called his house, sent Emails, got someone to call him, and put messages out here on AZ for days saying I don't want to put this out here give me an option!
It'sfr, I'll tell you what isn't justice sense that seems like something you
like to speak of, turning a blind eye to the facts and the amount of time
that's past. DON'S SILENCE SPEAKS VOLUMES
It'sfr:
Of coarse just like you I'm not here to pick sides or even offer my opinion
Sorry it was hard to keep a straight face when saying that, was it hard for you also?
I'm not writing this to pick sides or even to offer my opinion on the matter.
It'sfr:Next he writes
KJcues: don is a good man and has a good heart
It'sfr: That seems like an opinion (especially in this situation)
KJcues: Judgement seems to come easily for some of you.
It'sfr: Well I read the facts Chris presented (that Dons had ample time to dispute, BUT HASN'T) yep fairly easy to judge on this one
KJcues: This thread is no longer about don and Chris
It'sfr: Well sure it is, when your not trying to steer it elsewhere.
Kjcues: It's about the AZ community and how it treats an issue with limited information.
It'sfr: There's only limited info, because after Chris's many attempts
to communicate and with more than ample time. The best "good guy don"
could do was say I'm done through a third party.
KJcues: Lynch mob mentality is not justice.
It'sfr:Chris has done everything possible to get "good hearted don" to
communicate, but beg. He's called his house, sent Emails, got someone to call him, and put messages out here on AZ for days saying I don't want to put this out here give me an option!
It'sfr, I'll tell you what isn't justice sense that seems like something you
like to speak of, turning a blind eye to the facts and the amount of time
that's past. DON'S SILENCE SPEAKS VOLUMES
It'sfr:
Of coarse just like you I'm not here to pick sides or even offer my opinion
Sorry it was hard to keep a straight face when saying that, was it hard for you also?
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Chris after reading this thread for the past 15 minutes I'm very disgusted seeing this happen to you. Your a great guy and dont deserve this. I think this is complete shit how he's treated you in this situation. A real man would come out and tell his side of the story whether he's in the right or wrong. He'll be lucky to sell a cue in the future because of these actions and I dont blame you for pursuing legal action.
I'll buy you a drink in Chicago my friend. Stay positive you have alot of supporters on here including myself!
Best regards,
Colin
I'll buy you a drink in Chicago my friend. Stay positive you have alot of supporters on here including myself!
Best regards,
Colin
This is the internet, the wild west of the modern world and people are always guilty until they can prove otherwise.
KJ Cues....Shame on You........
KJ Cues......really.....shame on you for your post........so Don was standing in front of you and..........and.............you didn't reprimand or scold him about not getting back to his dissatisfied buyer via the Forum by PM message....you didn't tell him his inactions have resulted in a barrage of threads criticizing him over inexcusable behavior......you didn't man up and tell him to get his act together and resolve this problem?????
It doesn't even matter if all the facts have been accurately reported or not on the threads in the Forum............the blantantly obvious is that "Sureman" isn't responding to his very unhappy customer nor is he even abiding by an agreement made subsequent to the original cue purchase, i.e., buyer's cash refund.
I mean fer cryin' out loud, if it were one of my pals or just someone I even casually knew, I'd be telling them to get their act together fast, especially if they have hope of ever selling another cue thru the AZ Forum........your post makes you look like you're acting as a shill for "Sureman" more than anything else.
"FORUM MEMBERS.....LET'S KEEP THIS THREAD FRONT PAGE UNTIL SUREMAN AT LEAST ATTEMPTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING"
Don't become distracted by attempts to dissuade you from standing united on trying to help a fellow AZer who is getting a raw deal or a giant runaround from "Sureman".......if it were you, which one of the alternatives would you be more content with......the bullshit runaround or getting screwed on a expensive cue purchase..........hmn, easy choice........pick either one.......the outcome is the same for the buyer no matter which one you might otherwise pick.
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KJ Cues......really.....shame on you for your post........so Don was standing in front of you and..........and.............you didn't reprimand or scold him about not getting back to his dissatisfied buyer via the Forum by PM message....you didn't tell him his inactions have resulted in a barrage of threads criticizing him over inexcusable behavior......you didn't man up and tell him to get his act together and resolve this problem?????
It doesn't even matter if all the facts have been accurately reported or not on the threads in the Forum............the blantantly obvious is that "Sureman" isn't responding to his very unhappy customer nor is he even abiding by an agreement made subsequent to the original cue purchase, i.e., buyer's cash refund.
I mean fer cryin' out loud, if it were one of my pals or just someone I even casually knew, I'd be telling them to get their act together fast, especially if they have hope of ever selling another cue thru the AZ Forum........your post makes you look like you're acting as a shill for "Sureman" more than anything else.
"FORUM MEMBERS.....LET'S KEEP THIS THREAD FRONT PAGE UNTIL SUREMAN AT LEAST ATTEMPTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING"
Don't become distracted by attempts to dissuade you from standing united on trying to help a fellow AZer who is getting a raw deal or a giant runaround from "Sureman".......if it were you, which one of the alternatives would you be more content with......the bullshit runaround or getting screwed on a expensive cue purchase..........hmn, easy choice........pick either one.......the outcome is the same for the buyer no matter which one you might otherwise pick.
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I understand and respect your support of your friend. I would be the same way. I also agree that Don is a good man with a good heart. That is not what is put into question here.
I believe Don feels I have misled him and pulled him in 15 different directions. Some of that is true. But it was done to make me a satisfied customer. I never once asked Don to do something without me offering compensation. Don wrote to me in an email that I called him a liar. I never called him a liar. What I did do was question and show concern about the Gus when Barry confirmed that he did not refinish the Gus. I have spoken to several dealers of Gus cues and the average price difference of a cue not refinished by Barry is about $1,000. If I have information from the Barry that he did not refinish the cue, why should I lose roughly $1,000 in value?
I then tried to work with Don on a resolution. The Showman I traded was sold in less than 30-45 minutes of my deal with Don. Before I moved forward I felt it necessary to establish a value on the Gus. Don placed an $8,500 value on the Gus at that time. I offered Don $500 in return of a successful transaction. I told him that I really wanted a Gus and asked if he had any others. He said that I would not want it because the other Gus he had was refinished by Rick Phillipi. He was right, I didn't want that. Of the cues he emailed me pictures on I chose 2. The first was a Barry Szamboti cue for $6,000 and the other was a Bill Schick cue for $1,500.. I accepted his prices as he presented them. That totaled $7,500. I asked for a $500 bank check or money order to complete the deal.
When I received the cues, the bank check or money order was not included. I immediately contacted him to ask where it was. He said he thought I was going to send him $500. We talked out and he was mistaken. No harm, no foul at this point. He said he a few deals in the works and he would send it out within a few days or weeks. To me this was long, but I said OK. Later on in the day I inspected both cues. I discovered the Barry had a warped shaft. I sent an email to Don telling him of my displeasure of him sending me a $6,000 cue with a warped shaft. The reason I emailed was that in my opinion, it was too late to call his house.
That night I received information about the Barry from the previous owner that he disclosed the warped shaft to Don. I also received information that Barry agreed to refinish the Gus. I had a good friend call in a favor to Barry on my behalf. Don emailed back that he would pay for Barry to make a new shaft for the cue. I called Don on the phone, to discuss getting the Gus back and for the purpose of Barry doing the refinish that I would pay for. I said that I would pay him $300 for shipping to compensate him for his time and cost. He agreed.
The morning of July 4th he emailed me to let me know he was done. He mentioned that I called him a liar and he was tired of being run around by me. I started to get upset that he told me that I had to deal with the warped shaft on my own. I was even more upset when he told he was not sending my $500. I interjected and said it will now be $1,000 because this was not a successful deal. I used curse words and his wife started to get upset. And the rest is now history.
Anybody can believe what they want. That is not for me to decide. The facts are this:
Gus ($8,500) minus Barry ($6,000) minus Schick ($1,500) = $1,000
Barry shaft = $375 shipped
He owes me $1,375 in cash no matter which way you slice it.
I offered to compensate him to get the Gus back but he backed out of that deal. That would have put $300 in his pocket and this would not be what it is.
It has been 18 days as of right now since he has contacted me.
You really have to give Chris a lot of credit here. He held off taking his plight public and tried his best (really went too far trying accommodate Don INMO) to work it out between himself and Don. He held off because what he's looking to do is resolve his issue, he has no intention to or derives no pleasure from lynching Don, and pretty much knew this would happen. Some of you who have taken this up as a "cause" might really want to take a look at your own intentions.
I'm all for trying to help Chis out. I'm just not sure we all have the evidence needed yet to have slammed the case closed and be looking to tar and feather a man who many that have had dealings with has come forward and claimed was a good man. To my knowledge, not one basher here has ever done business with Mr Sherman.
Thanks
Kevin
I'm all for trying to help Chis out. I'm just not sure we all have the evidence needed yet to have slammed the case closed and be looking to tar and feather a man who many that have had dealings with has come forward and claimed was a good man. To my knowledge, not one basher here has ever done business with Mr Sherman.
Thanks
Kevin
I'm glad I never did anything with sureman183 look how he has treated
Chris when all he did was try to buy an $8,500 Gus from him.
DOESN'T END UP WITH THE GUS
NO COMMUNICATION 18 DAYS NOW
GOT SCREWED ON THE REPLACEMENT CUES
AND SCREWED ON THE MONEY DIFFERENCE
ALL CHRIS GETS IS "I'M DONE" THROUGH THIRD PARTY
My intentions are he should make this deal right with Chris.
I don't like seeing people get screwed around, is that clear enough for
you?
"Have the evidence needed yet"?
Evidently someone not responding for nearly three weeks, doesn't speak
to loudly to you. IF not? Maybe you should question your intentions.
He's had more than ample time to reply to Chris- HE HASN'T DONE IT!
He's had ample time to refute Chris's facts- HE HASN'T DONE THAT!
Then you want to come on here and say people are tar and feathering
him, WTF, if anything he is tar and feathering himself.
LOOK AT THE FACTS...and if you say we don't have all the facts...again!
WE have all the facts from one party and only one...WHY IS THAT, I ASK?
Chris when all he did was try to buy an $8,500 Gus from him.
DOESN'T END UP WITH THE GUS
NO COMMUNICATION 18 DAYS NOW
GOT SCREWED ON THE REPLACEMENT CUES
AND SCREWED ON THE MONEY DIFFERENCE
ALL CHRIS GETS IS "I'M DONE" THROUGH THIRD PARTY
My intentions are he should make this deal right with Chris.
I don't like seeing people get screwed around, is that clear enough for
you?
"Have the evidence needed yet"?
Evidently someone not responding for nearly three weeks, doesn't speak
to loudly to you. IF not? Maybe you should question your intentions.
He's had more than ample time to reply to Chris- HE HASN'T DONE IT!
He's had ample time to refute Chris's facts- HE HASN'T DONE THAT!
Then you want to come on here and say people are tar and feathering
him, WTF, if anything he is tar and feathering himself.
LOOK AT THE FACTS...and if you say we don't have all the facts...again!
WE have all the facts from one party and only one...WHY IS THAT, I ASK?
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A PM I received from our beloved Nicky Nick.
Mr. Nick - I have ZERO inclination to have any type of private discussion with you. If you have something to write, post it in public. Don't send me PMs. Worry not - I'll be here to make sure your comments are properly formatted and revised for content.
If not for the fact that I'm working right now, I'd take a stab at corrections on this one...but good God, there isn't enough time to tweak all the issues with it.
I'll just go ahead and give you a grade: "D"
Consider it your one...and only...free pass.
You're welcome.
Mr. Nick - I have ZERO inclination to have any type of private discussion with you. If you have something to write, post it in public. Don't send me PMs. Worry not - I'll be here to make sure your comments are properly formatted and revised for content.
If not for the fact that I'm working right now, I'd take a stab at corrections on this one...but good God, there isn't enough time to tweak all the issues with it.
I'll just go ahead and give you a grade: "D"
Consider it your one...and only...free pass.
You're welcome.
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Don Sureman,
Why don't you have the decency to respond to this mans thread? There is too much take, take, and greed on this forum. Rectify the wrong and clear your name.
Why don't you have the decency to respond to this mans thread? There is too much take, take, and greed on this forum. Rectify the wrong and clear your name.
"YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT HAPPENED. CHRIS HAS MADE AN ASS OUT OF HIMSELF GOING BACK ON TRADE AFTER TRADE HE ASKED FOR."
Nick would be correct except for leaving out the very important facts that the Gus was not as represented and the Barry had a warped shaft that Don knew about and did not disclose to Chris.
Nick, am I missing something here??
Nick would be correct except for leaving out the very important facts that the Gus was not as represented and the Barry had a warped shaft that Don knew about and did not disclose to Chris.
Nick, am I missing something here??
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