don't ban jump cues, ban phenolic tips- ?
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OLLLLLD argument. I have nothing against jumping, just the use of a short/cheater cue. I like DCC rules: go ahead and jump it but you have to use your playing cue. Jumping with a modern jump cue is too easy. Takes far more knowledge/skill to kick. My .$02, nothing more.
most kicks are 1 rail easy as hell to hit coming in or on the back side
easier than jumping and hitting a ball
easier than jumping and hitting a ball
I can teach somebody to hit a one rail kick quicker than I can teach him how to jump.
I also have yet to find somebody who can draw the cue ball with a kick. Or is drawing the ball another skill that’s just “too easy” so it shouldn’t be allowed?
must be one helluva teacher because i've found it to be 100% the opposite. Just recently a lady that comes in my local spot had bought a jumper and had no clue how to use. She wasn't elevating enough. Literally in 5minutes she was jumping full-ball close jumps. She had NO chance doing it with a full cue. As for a draw shot that doesn't require a 'gimmick cue' to accomplish. Your argument is kinda lame. Keep the jump in the game just ditch the 'shorty' cue.I can teach somebody to hit a one rail kick quicker than I can teach him how to jump.
I also have yet to find somebody who can draw the cue ball with a kick. Or is drawing the ball another skill that’s just “too easy” so it shouldn’t be allowed?
The argument is lame because you can't jump draw with a regular cue? Can you even jump with a regular cue? I haven't seen anyone do it, pro or otherwise.
Lmao
I doubt that you can’t teach somebody to hit a one rail kick in less than five minutes. and again, simply hitting an object ball with little to no chance of actually doing anything intentional with it is no greater accomplishment then a new player unable to make any shot…
As far as draw, the point is, I can draw with a jump shot. I can’t with a kick. Absent perhaps some one-off, weird trick shot, I don’t know anybody else that can either.
Sometimes a draw shot is called for, sometimes a jump is called for, and sometimes a kick is. Completely different shot’s often called for in completely different situations.
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xX-Wizard-Xx
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i can jump with a regular cue ... that is what i learn on and is what most professionals used when jumping became popular
There was a time when only Earl Strickland and one or two more could jump balls with a full length stick, and do it accurately. Earl was unwittingly the father of the jump cue. It was the only way to keep up with him. At least jump rods didn't become standard equipment. They were short metal rods with a cue tip glued to them and would jump like a frog!
My biggest issue with jump cues is those that use them poorly. Balls bouncing around the pool room, disturbing other people. On the other hand, it was almost a given when these people grabbed their jump cue the result would be to my advantage! I played somebody who had the cue ball flying off the table every break, balls flying every time he tried to jump. I was damned near ready to strangle him! Pool has evolved into a table game, play it on the table, the table we are on! The ultimate cringe occurred when he tried to break and ended up with the cue ball on somebody else's table!
I see people that can use a jump cue effectively now, not just hitting the object ball but making the shot intended fairly often. I have to admit that for the most part the jump cue is here to stay. I do think that any event that allows a jump cue should also have a rule in place, loss of game if a ball leaves the table and contacts any other surface! No need to make that only jumps, that can apply to all shots including the break.
Yeah, I am an old grump but I get tired of the person I am playing having to chase balls and me playing pitch and catch instead of pool, tossing balls back to people at other tables.
Hu
My biggest issue with jump cues is those that use them poorly. Balls bouncing around the pool room, disturbing other people. On the other hand, it was almost a given when these people grabbed their jump cue the result would be to my advantage! I played somebody who had the cue ball flying off the table every break, balls flying every time he tried to jump. I was damned near ready to strangle him! Pool has evolved into a table game, play it on the table, the table we are on! The ultimate cringe occurred when he tried to break and ended up with the cue ball on somebody else's table!
I see people that can use a jump cue effectively now, not just hitting the object ball but making the shot intended fairly often. I have to admit that for the most part the jump cue is here to stay. I do think that any event that allows a jump cue should also have a rule in place, loss of game if a ball leaves the table and contacts any other surface! No need to make that only jumps, that can apply to all shots including the break.
Yeah, I am an old grump but I get tired of the person I am playing having to chase balls and me playing pitch and catch instead of pool, tossing balls back to people at other tables.
Hu
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Many break and jump cues do not use super hard plastic tips anymore, there are some that use non-natural material like the White Diamond but they are not nearly as hard as phenolic tips. There are very very few pro players that think jump cues are an improvement or add to the game, but there are plenty of amateurs that like them. Personally I don't like them at all. Jump with a full cue, a good break cue can jump pretty good, just not as silly easy as a short jump cue. One thing I see is that people are confusing banning jumping totally to banning jump cues, which are different things. Jump shot in the game, yes, using a tool that makes it trivial, no. Of all the equipment that has come out for billiards, I think jump cues are the only ones that brought the game backwards in it's elegance and spirit. Not LD shafts, not faster cloth, not better tables, jump cues made a very hard shot so easy that a 12 yr old beginner can jump over a ball.
Yawn…
Or just learn to jump rather than complaining about those who can.
ha, I got no beef with players playing. and I can jump a little bit..as I suggested, there's an art to it
but there's an art to cornhole, too..and the consensus seems to be that jump cues aren't really adding to the game
I offered a constructive critique, with a possible future in which jumping still lives, just without "the noise"
this seems impossible. prove it?
agree 100%, 'cept I don't even mind the shorty- just lose the cue ball tip..be fun to see how players would respond
thanks for the replies, everybody- I appreciate the convo, and don't post cos I know it all..
Zerksies
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Go ask Dr.Dave
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I kick much better than I jump, but it's a skill like any other. I'll choose which to do based on how easy it is to get shape on the next shot or get a good safe. It really is part of the game and a player who can do both will have better results than a player who can do one or the other. Also slight masse shots are great to know, they can be a good option, but as above it's situational.
If I had my preference (or were I playing for money) I would say you can jump on what your opponent leaves you, but if you hook yourself tough luck, no jumping out of your own mistake.
Then it wasn’t necessarily a well-played safety. Gone are the days of simply placing the cue ball anywhere behind another blocking ball and being able to call it a “safety“.
It could be time for some people tighten up their lazy safety position play.
Just sayin’…
I think the worse thing is super hard tips. The hardest tips are likely putting little scratches and divots on the cb, and that's no good unless you enjoy a suprise ob skid here and there.
good point. I don't have much experience with what I suppose are "treated" leather tips, but I've seen phenolic tips crack cue balls
thanks. I'm not honestly sure what a "laminated" leather tip consists of, but I see a "solid" leather tip is still pretty low on the hardness scale
Not everyone can jump and make a ball and if you know the Diamond Sysytem it all the same. The Pro's jump because its easier and they have a better chance of making the ball, but it aint like they dont know how to jump, thats why their Pros!
SJM, the spectators like it and we need all the help we can get. It does take skill so we cant pretend that everybody with a jump cue has the skills of the guys that seem to never miss with one. You and I surely remember when there was no such thing as a break cue or a template rack or all this chalk that prevents mis-cues.., just say'n it aint that bad is it?