Dont you love it when a lesser player tries to correct you game
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Yeah, it happens. What you SHOULD have done IMO, is say that since he's soo much more knowledgeable than you are on a certain shot
, he should have told you what TO DO, as long as coaching is allowed. If it wasn't, you should offer to play HIM 1 on 1...even up even though he plays "better" than you do . I don't know more than 3 people that post on here, but you'd be surprized, I'm sure of it, of how many people HERE play just like your buddy but wanna comment on what you SHOULD do in a certain situation. I'm positive that there are quite a few here like that since not everyone on here is a "world beater". That said, I'm no "world beater" myself, nor do I go around making suggestions on how someone should have played in a game, but I can almost guarantee, even without knowing these guys, that I can either hang in there with alot of them or beat their brains in, and I only play leagues anymore due to the lack of "action" in my city anymore. I MAY pick up a cue once in a while, but the last time I did (2 days ago), I hadn't looked at my cues in about 2 weeks 
It is funny though, I must agree with ya'
stevekur1 said:
Yeah, it happens. What you SHOULD have done IMO, is say that since he's soo much more knowledgeable than you are on a certain shot
, he should have told you what TO DO, as long as coaching is allowed. If it wasn't, you should offer to play HIM 1 on 1...even up even though he plays "better" than you do . I don't know more than 3 people that post on here, but you'd be surprized, I'm sure of it, of how many people HERE play just like your buddy but wanna comment on what you SHOULD do in a certain situation. I'm positive that there are quite a few here like that since not everyone on here is a "world beater". That said, I'm no "world beater" myself, nor do I go around making suggestions on how someone should have played in a game, but I can almost guarantee, even without knowing these guys, that I can either hang in there with alot of them or beat their brains in, and I only play leagues anymore due to the lack of "action" in my city anymore. I MAY pick up a cue once in a while, but the last time I did (2 days ago), I hadn't looked at my cues in about 2 weeks It is funny though, I must agree with ya'I think you have chosen the wrong partner for scotch doubles to begin with. People like that always criticize others, regardless of skill level. Even if your fundamentals were as good as Pagulayan's, he'd still find something wrong with your game, he'd question your shot selection...etc.
My advice? Find another partner who will not criticize you in any way during the match and won't give any unsolicited advices. And if you can behave the same way towards him, new partnership will produce much better results.
My advice? Find another partner who will not criticize you in any way during the match and won't give any unsolicited advices. And if you can behave the same way towards him, new partnership will produce much better results.
So far as playing on a team or playing in general, I've noticed that most players will PLAY BETTER if you build up their confidence...
Say things like; Good shot! Good try! You are doing good! Etc. (Even if they are playing cruddy.)
I've also noticed that when teammates are told they are playing poorly, well that is exactly what they will do. Their game will get worse!
So ALWAYS when playing in a tournament on a team, say only positive things to your teammates. You can always find something good they did no matter how bad they are playing. Point out that good thing. Don't say anything about any bad shots.
I take advantage of this fact when playing at home. I want to play my friends when they are playing their best. Then I have stiffer competition and this helps my game. So if they are playing lousy, I point out good shots they have made, etc. After awhile they start playing much better. Always works!
I have played on league 1st place winning teams and on teams which ended up on the losing end. One difference with the 1st place winning teams was we always told each other how well we were playing and only said positive things during tournaments. I've seen this build up a player's confidence and seen that player switch from playing not-so-good to playing excellent. Then we won the match because of this! (Of course these were *very* good players who were not playing well at first that evening.)
So far as advice giving to other players, I don't say anything unless they ask for tips. With myself, I am working on certain things with my stroke (bad old habits) like holding my elbow out sometimes. So I ASK other players (anyone) to point out to me if I am doing this. In some cases I can win every game against some of these players who are pointing out my elbow problem to me, but that does not matter. They can see what I can't see, so I like them to tell me. But NOT during a tournament. Only during practice. During a tournament I prefer they tell me how good I am playing (even if I am not).
Say things like; Good shot! Good try! You are doing good! Etc. (Even if they are playing cruddy.)
I've also noticed that when teammates are told they are playing poorly, well that is exactly what they will do. Their game will get worse!
So ALWAYS when playing in a tournament on a team, say only positive things to your teammates. You can always find something good they did no matter how bad they are playing. Point out that good thing. Don't say anything about any bad shots.
I take advantage of this fact when playing at home. I want to play my friends when they are playing their best. Then I have stiffer competition and this helps my game. So if they are playing lousy, I point out good shots they have made, etc. After awhile they start playing much better. Always works!
I have played on league 1st place winning teams and on teams which ended up on the losing end. One difference with the 1st place winning teams was we always told each other how well we were playing and only said positive things during tournaments. I've seen this build up a player's confidence and seen that player switch from playing not-so-good to playing excellent. Then we won the match because of this! (Of course these were *very* good players who were not playing well at first that evening.)
So far as advice giving to other players, I don't say anything unless they ask for tips. With myself, I am working on certain things with my stroke (bad old habits) like holding my elbow out sometimes. So I ASK other players (anyone) to point out to me if I am doing this. In some cases I can win every game against some of these players who are pointing out my elbow problem to me, but that does not matter. They can see what I can't see, so I like them to tell me. But NOT during a tournament. Only during practice. During a tournament I prefer they tell me how good I am playing (even if I am not).
stevekur1 said:
it is definitely an ego shot, but sometimes even the lesser players can bring to your attention flaws that you would not see while playing. just a thought. if it is annoying, just ask them to stop - no need to made the person feel like a troll.
td873 said:
He probably picked him due to handicap issues. If that is the case and he is that good, he doesn't need a partner that can run 2 balls in a row. He needs a partner that can pocket the ball he sets up for him.
Advice and opinions are like butt holes, everyone has one but you don't want it stuck in your face....
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sjm said:
That'd keep me quiet!
I can envision that scenario now
And another thing. If the partner cannot make balls, and they are playing scotch doubles, it seems like the OP isn't playing very good position, yes? 
Russ
Russ
From what i have seen and heard, he does this all the time with no matter who he plays, and everyone tells him to stop and concentrate on his own game.
And BTW i wasnt jumping up. its my style of play, since i am a little taller than most. I Get down on the shot, and close to my final stroke i come up slowly to make room for the stroke. something i have always done and i cant correct it. As a matter of fact the more i try to correct it, the more i screw up.
I have watched alot of matches, and alot of players do it. if you wanna see what i am talking about, KID DELICIOUS does it alot.
It doesnt hurt my game at all, i was just having a bad day, and he was trying to find reasons why. not accepting the fact the he couldnt make a ball and expected me to carry the team.
Its a hard enough game as it is "SCOTCH" very slow moving hard to keep a stroke going, plus relying on your team-mate to make the shots and play position correctly, and to stay on the right sides of the shots... BLAH BLAH BLAH, YADA YADA YADA!!!!!!!
He has started asking me to play him straight pool, i think i am gonna start taking him up on the offer!
We can play cheap... A Few Hundred a game ! ! ! ! LOL
And BTW i wasnt jumping up. its my style of play, since i am a little taller than most. I Get down on the shot, and close to my final stroke i come up slowly to make room for the stroke. something i have always done and i cant correct it. As a matter of fact the more i try to correct it, the more i screw up.
I have watched alot of matches, and alot of players do it. if you wanna see what i am talking about, KID DELICIOUS does it alot.
It doesnt hurt my game at all, i was just having a bad day, and he was trying to find reasons why. not accepting the fact the he couldnt make a ball and expected me to carry the team.
Its a hard enough game as it is "SCOTCH" very slow moving hard to keep a stroke going, plus relying on your team-mate to make the shots and play position correctly, and to stay on the right sides of the shots... BLAH BLAH BLAH, YADA YADA YADA!!!!!!!
He has started asking me to play him straight pool, i think i am gonna start taking him up on the offer!
We can play cheap... A Few Hundred a game ! ! ! ! LOL
Many things could be happening here that you could have done to resolve this problem:
1. Choose a partner that you are comfortable playing with
2. Lose the ego and ignore it
3. Quit making excuses and play better
4. Realize that maybe he was right
5. Don't play scotch doubles games with players much lower than you...too frustrating
Sounds to me like you chose a bad partner, made a bad game, or your ego is too big to take advice. Either way, you can only blame yourself in this paticular instance.
On a much broader scope, there are always players who play lower than you who have their own games overrated and want to feel important or something. Let it roll off your back. If you game is so much better, then it shouldn't matter what anyone says or what advice is given. You gotta learn to leave your ego at home. When you do that, your game will jump up a notch.....that is the best advice you have ever been given. It will give you inner peace and that is the biggest secret to any competitive venture. Having a quiet mind and soul will allow you to see the bigger picture.
1. Choose a partner that you are comfortable playing with
2. Lose the ego and ignore it
3. Quit making excuses and play better
4. Realize that maybe he was right
5. Don't play scotch doubles games with players much lower than you...too frustrating
Sounds to me like you chose a bad partner, made a bad game, or your ego is too big to take advice. Either way, you can only blame yourself in this paticular instance.
On a much broader scope, there are always players who play lower than you who have their own games overrated and want to feel important or something. Let it roll off your back. If you game is so much better, then it shouldn't matter what anyone says or what advice is given. You gotta learn to leave your ego at home. When you do that, your game will jump up a notch.....that is the best advice you have ever been given. It will give you inner peace and that is the biggest secret to any competitive venture. Having a quiet mind and soul will allow you to see the bigger picture.
jay helfert said:I like it even better when they ask me to play.
Don't laugh, it happens!
True story from just a few months ago:
So. I'm minding my own beeswax, just practicing 14.1 and an older guy is eyeballing me from the bar. He had just quit practicing and he had been in a few days before, also to practice. It looked to me like he played just OK -- not a banger, but not too high a speed either. From the way others in the room talked to him, I took him to be a local. IOW, not an Out of Towner.
All of a sudden he comes over to me and asks, "Say. Do you ever play 1pocket?"
And me says, "Sure. Once in a while." (My stock answer.)
So then he says, "Well. Would you like to practice some?"
And me says, "Well, no. I don't like to *practice* 1pocket because I won't play right. If I'm not betting something, I play too aggressive."
So he says, "Oh, that's OK. How about $5 a game?"
And me says, " Well, I'd rather bet $10 or $20, but $5 is OK."
And he says, "No, $10 is OK, but I don't want you to think I'm hustling you. A buddy of mine told me that I'd probably have to give you a ball."
And me says (all the while looking for the "Punked" cameras and wondering what "buddy" would tell him such a thing), "Oh, well, that's fine. I'm a big boy and won't whine about whatever game I make and get myself into. But I do have a game coming in in a couple of hours."
So he says,"no problem" he'll give me a ball until my game comes in.
So THEN, as I'm about to flip the coin, he says, "Go ahead and break em."
!!!!!!!
I'm like: I'm either going to be shocked and get crushed like a ripe grape, or someone slipped a hallucinogenic into my beer -- but I'm not drinking a beer -- so that couldn't be it.
I beat him four in a row. He makes like maybe two balls a couple of games, all the while complimenting my shooting with "good shot" after "good shot" like I'm a beginner and who hasn't a clue and is just happening to be having the best day of his entire life executing relatively sophisticated 1pocket shots against him. Of course, to him, they probably looked like total luckouts and all the while he's talking about how rusty he is but at one time he was quite the player.
So he pays off the $40 and says, "Well, I'm too rusty. I can't give you a ball."
And me says, "That's fine, I'll play even."
Four games, barely a few more balls, and $40 later, my game comes in and he pays me off and says, "I'm a little rusty, but we'll play again."
And me thinks, "Oh yes, please."
Everyone should have something like this happen to them at least once
Lou Figueroa