There are actually a lot in common with both makers. Both currently prefer the flat faced joint w/radial pin, for that firm hit. Dave and Troy are also good friends. Of course Kikel is a more well known maker, and IMO is one of the top 5 or 6 in execution and originality. However, for those willing to give Troy Downey a shot, there will be no disappointments! I have witnessed many "big name" makers cues that left their respective shops with issues that even a casual observer would notice. I also have seen Mr. Downey take a cue directly to the saw, due to a light spot on ebony or a dark shadow in curly maple! Look, there are the elite - Tad, Scruggs, Szamboti, Schick etc.. and I think the way Dave K. makes cues is as good as these guys. I also firmly believe that Downey is in that next degree of builder, with the potential to be in that elite class.