For those just learning the game and some who have played for allot of years, just wanted to let you know, "you can draw the cue ball down table, without using bottom english". It changed my game/tangent lines/forever.
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Well, of course you can. This has been known for years. I can hit the cue ball above the equator, have it go out several feet, and then reverse direction without hitting anything and come straight back. On a good day, it comes back two table lengths. Is that the shot you mean? It's called masse.Island Drive said:
If you mean something else, you will need to say more if you want people to understand what you're talking about.
Island Drive said:
Well, if you have a cue ball that's a lot lighter than your object bal you can bounce the cue ball backwards, if the shot's against a rail you can side spin the cue ball off the rail backwards, and if you elevate your cue much higher than a normal shot you can get backspin without "bottom" english. But with a level cue, normal balls, and without using a rail, you can't draw the cue ball without bottom english. I call BS on this post.
-Andrew
Not to get too technical here, but 'english' refers to spin put on the sides of the ball....
I think you might be referring to the shot where you cut a ball down the rail (with a bit of a steep angle coming in with the cueball) and using running english, you get the cueball to come back up table by spinning off of the second rail... That is a high-level shot. Now that I think about it... that shot uses bottom too... so maybe I don't know what you are trying to tell us.
Can you clarify a bit??
I think you might be referring to the shot where you cut a ball down the rail (with a bit of a steep angle coming in with the cueball) and using running english, you get the cueball to come back up table by spinning off of the second rail... That is a high-level shot. Now that I think about it... that shot uses bottom too... so maybe I don't know what you are trying to tell us.
Can you clarify a bit??
I have heard and read that 'english' refers only to side spin and that it is ironic because of the fact that most snooker players (an English game) use little or no 'english' at all. Snooker uses top and bottom spin almost exclusively... according to my sources... (my sources for snooker are the TV announcers <Jim White might have been one of the guys> for that tournament that The Miz played in against Joe Johnson back in 1989 or so...) Can't site a source right off the top of my head for the term 'english'... maybe Ray Martin's '99 Critical Shots'?
Island Drive said:
Yes, that is the correct way to draw the ball. Much easier to dig the CB into the felt for improved control. Raise the back hand slightly.
Way to go...
Ok guys here goes, it was interesting hearing all the comments, and a few got somewhat close, I know Mr. Jewett should back me up but if not it'll make for a very interesting discussion. Draw is created by backspin of the cueball when it contacts the cloth, now visualize looking at the nose of the rail, put your cheek on the bed and face the cushion, now visualize the cue ball hitting the rail with either 9 o'clock or 3 o'clock english. So if your looking at the right rail and your left cheek is in on the cloth, notice that the cueball actually has pure bottom english as it strikes the cushion nose/cloth. I learned this concept years ago while playing Bernardo Chavez. Now guys don't bite my head off, go easy on me, I'm 'really' a good person.
Whatever....I played with that Chicken the other day from the Fog Horn Leg Horn cartoon. You know the one where they played baseball and the chicken breaks out the slide rule? Anyway, he was doing some stupid crap like that too. He ended up busting me for $3,000.
I suppose that's possible, but what you're saying still makes no sense.Island Drive said:
Really?
So if an object ball is lets say 1/2 inch off the the right side rail as your facing the foot of the table, the cue ball strikes the object ball with 3 o'clock spin and its spinning when it contacts the object, cutting it down the rail into the pocket the your your saying it will not come back up table at all? It does. Its no different than if you spin a ball in a counterclockwise rotation and you hit the right rail, what does it do??
So if an object ball is lets say 1/2 inch off the the right side rail as your facing the foot of the table, the cue ball strikes the object ball with 3 o'clock spin and its spinning when it contacts the object, cutting it down the rail into the pocket the your your saying it will not come back up table at all? It does. Its no different than if you spin a ball in a counterclockwise rotation and you hit the right rail, what does it do??
is this the shot you are talking about? You have to hit it the perfect speed for it to take on the right amount of stun & spin for it to come almost straight back.
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The concept
Thanks, but the concept, when the cueball is spinning like a top left to right or vice versa (horizontal spin, parallel to the table bed), and it strikes the rail, the rail is cloth, and the spin grabs the cloth on the nose of the cushion like it does on the bed, and comes off back towards the shooter, I found the only way years ago to get the big/heavy bar ball down table on a cut shot was this manner. Ask King Kong/Bernardo Chavez.
Thanks, but the concept, when the cueball is spinning like a top left to right or vice versa (horizontal spin, parallel to the table bed), and it strikes the rail, the rail is cloth, and the spin grabs the cloth on the nose of the cushion like it does on the bed, and comes off back towards the shooter, I found the only way years ago to get the big/heavy bar ball down table on a cut shot was this manner. Ask King Kong/Bernardo Chavez.