Drills to work on straight stroke

scottjen26

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Searched a bit, but does anyone have any good drills to work on or measure one's stroke? Yes, I know Venom just posted a similar thread, but I'm more concerned about focusing on a straight through follow through with no veering and ways to promote and measure this that I may not have thought of. Not has concerned about power or spin, I don't usually have an issue with that, I can miss an easy shot the same as a power shot. I find that after my layoff that a good portion of my misses are coming from lack of smoothness or some sort of need to turn my wrist or "help" the ball instead of just stroking straight through the line of aim. This has been especially more evident as my alignment has gotten better and I can blame more of my misses on a poorly executed stroke.

I've been trying to do the following at least once every practice session or two, but doing the same thing (no matter how bad I am at it) will get boring.

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I believe the first setup is from the PAT drills, Thorsten exectutes it with 15 balls at level 3 and makes them all, although even for him if I remember a few were a little shaky. Line up the balls across the headstring, take ball on hand on each shot and line it up straight in right on the rail and make the ball. Then move to the next position etc. Once you get half way shoot to the other pocket. I made up the second two positions, since those are more realistic and work on positions where part of the rail comes into play and also where you are out in the open table.

From the first position, I'm probably 7 of 10 right now consistently, would love to be 8 or 9 realistically. From the second position I'm at 8 or 9 although I can do 10 in a row, but would love to be able to get 9 or 10 every time where a miss would be unusual instead of expected. Same from the third position.

A miss for me is typically from bad alignment (where you are just sort of squished somehow and your arm follows through in the line it's on and not where you are aiming) or just a bad stroke, again for me just an old bad habit of maybe feeling I'm not lined up right and "helping" the ball, which results in my wrist turning and not coming clean through the ball.

Any advice, drills, etc? Seems simple to work on, just wondering if there's something out there I haven't thought of.

Thanks,
Scott
 
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Scott, while drills like the ones diagramed do serve a purpose, they really aren't designed to address the straightness of your stroke. Whenever you miss one, you have to determine if you missed because of a flaw in your stroke, or if you were just off in your aim.

Get with a qualified instructor who will do a video analysis of your stroke, and work with you to identify what is necessary for a straight stroke. When you understand the three stops of a stroke, you will learn how to evaluate your stroke after every shot.

Steve
 
Thanks for the reply.

I play at a pretty decent level, it's funny that for 20 years on and off I've just had some swerving in the stroke that pops up from time to time - sometimes my brain saying I'm not lined up right and I try to last minute help the ball in (instead of getting up and re-addressing the ball), sometimes just a bad stroke because of power or the hit impulse coming into play. I generally go throught the same PSR, pause at the ball to get one last look and feel comfortable with the shot, then pull back smoothly and have alternated between a full 1 second pause or so at the back and just a slight pause before swinging through the shot. Have had good results with both, sort of depends on the day so I'm not committed to one or the other, although it's not like I switch back and forth, just trying something new from time to time.

The difference now, and this may sound weird to some, but since I've been working with CTE/Pro 1 I can better feel the difference between an error of alignment and a stroke error. Therefore, coming off of this latest 1 year hiatus from the game I'm more committed to increase the percentage of good strokes I make, since I feel like I'm aligned more accurately on every shot.

I'm certainly not unwilling to put the time or money into a lesson or two, but since I'm so analytical and technical and have studied so much I think I would be disappointed with all but the best teachers. Sometimes I pick up things just by propping my cell phone up in the ball rack and filming while I play.

I've had one lesson with Jerry Briesath about 8 years ago, before I took 5 or 6 years off, and he was awesome. Are you aware of similar resources in the Jacksonville, FL area? Would love to visit Stan or Scott/Randy here on the forums but don't have the time or really the money to be traveling around for lessons. I've seen Stevie Moore and Tony Crosby come up this way for lessons but they don't live here, and talked to Blackjack some awhile ago but I think he's in Orlando area.

Thanks,
Scott
 
I do these two drills when I need a stroke tuneup.

The top one is to do a stop shot on the 1, the 1 go down to the rail and back hitting the CB square, if its done right. Everything has to be straight for this to work.

The bottom is just stroking the CB down to the rail, hold your position until the CB comes back to your cue tip or not.

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Then to really get the feel of a stroking straight, I will have all balls on the table in random pattern and make all shots with the least amount of pocket speed possible for the shot.

One side benefit of this pocket speed drill is realizing how little is really needed to move the balls around.
 
If you are interested, give me a call, or send me a PM. You could come up to Charlotte and we could spend a day at the table, set up the video camera and see what is going on. I suspect we could accomplish quite a bit in a day, and even with your driving, you could be up and back in a weekend. It's only about a 6 hour drive. Or, I could possibly be talked into coming down your way for a couple of days.

Steve
 
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Scott...I'm in FL right now. PM me your contact information, and maybe we can get together while I'm here. Steve Jennings is a great resource too. Blackjack is now living in El Paso TX, but does work a lot with people on the phone, so he's a good choice too.

Scott Lee
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I've had one lesson with Jerry Briesath about 8 years ago, before I took 5 or 6 years off, and he was awesome. Are you aware of similar resources in the Jacksonville, FL area? Would love to visit Stan or Scott/Randy here on the forums but don't have the time or really the money to be traveling around for lessons. I've seen Stevie Moore and Tony Crosby come up this way for lessons but they don't live here, and talked to Blackjack some awhile ago but I think he's in Orlando area.

Thanks,
Scott
 
I have the advantage of having a 9-foot table at home, so this may not be of use to you. I also don't get bored on a pool table.

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Depending on how I'm feeling, I shoot this 50 times, or until I make it 50 times consecutively; at the time I had to quit playing there wasn't much difference in those, but I've been doing it a long time. I also set a specific target for the cue ball: follow the object ball in, follow to a specific spot, follow just one ball width, or just enough to replace the object ball, etc. For the two very short follows (ball width, replace object ball) try it two ways: very soft, and hitting the cue ball low and hard enough that it's just starting to turn when it hits the object ball. Also, stop shots tell you very quickly whether you're hitting the cue ball on the vertical axis. I've also found it useful to keep records of how well I do this.

This can be done fairly fast if you shoot from alternate ends (i.e., shoot from the end where the previous object ball was pocketed).

This wasn't my idea, by the way. I got it on RSB long ago - from Ken Bowers(?), I think, who had gotten it from some high-level friend of his. It's helped immensely.
 
Ive been working on one that is pretty good its a PAT drill. A video of it is on youtube its called, Thorsten Hohmann exercising Long Shot Drill. It works wonders.
 
Find Scott Lee or Steve Jennings. They will show you Mother Drill #1 and how to develop a straight stroke.

randyg
 
Hit the 1 ball square stopping the cueball, the 1ball comes back and hits the cueball and try to get the cueball to come back in a straight line passing over the foot spot.

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This is just to test your stroke and centerball hit at a higher speed. Lag the cueball so it goes back and forth twice. If you hit off center, you should hit one of the blocker balls.

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scottjen26, the drills you diagramed were first introduced to me by someone who goes by Tony that frequents the Amsterdam pool hall in NYC after he destroyed me in OP at 11-5 handicap. He said that had helped him tremendously throughout the years. I practice a lot of straight shots with 5 different strokes (follow into the pocket, stun follow, stop, draw a bit, draw straight back to the pocket), and all strokes are hit with the same speed. When I can pocket all 5 strokes with high accuracy, I move onto putting the CB close to the rail/pocket, which requires to jack up the cue. Simply shooting straight shoots, for whatever reasons, has helped me a lot to improve my game.
 
Searched a bit, but does anyone have any good drills to work on or measure one's stroke? Yes, I know Venom just posted a similar thread, but I'm more concerned about focusing on a straight through follow through with no veering and ways to promote and measure this that I may not have thought of. Not has concerned about power or spin, I don't usually have an issue with that, I can miss an easy shot the same as a power shot. I find that after my layoff that a good portion of my misses are coming from lack of smoothness or some sort of need to turn my wrist or "help" the ball instead of just stroking straight through the line of aim. This has been especially more evident as my alignment has gotten better and I can blame more of my misses on a poorly executed stroke.

I've been trying to do the following at least once every practice session or two, but doing the same thing (no matter how bad I am at it) will get boring.

CueTable Help



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I believe the first setup is from the PAT drills, Thorsten exectutes it with 15 balls at level 3 and makes them all, although even for him if I remember a few were a little shaky. Line up the balls across the headstring, take ball on hand on each shot and line it up straight in right on the rail and make the ball. Then move to the next position etc. Once you get half way shoot to the other pocket. I made up the second two positions, since those are more realistic and work on positions where part of the rail comes into play and also where you are out in the open table.

From the first position, I'm probably 7 of 10 right now consistently, would love to be 8 or 9 realistically. From the second position I'm at 8 or 9 although I can do 10 in a row, but would love to be able to get 9 or 10 every time where a miss would be unusual instead of expected. Same from the third position.

A miss for me is typically from bad alignment (where you are just sort of squished somehow and your arm follows through in the line it's on and not where you are aiming) or just a bad stroke, again for me just an old bad habit of maybe feeling I'm not lined up right and "helping" the ball, which results in my wrist turning and not coming clean through the ball.

Any advice, drills, etc? Seems simple to work on, just wondering if there's something out there I haven't thought of.

Thanks,
Scott

Scott,

Sorry I missed this post -

If Scott Lee is in the Florida area, I highly recommend getting with him. If you can't get with Scott, I'd recommend getting with Ray Martin in Largo. Either one is great person to call to fix it.
 
Here's a drill. Find long distance cut shots you're uncomfortable with and shoot them slowroll speed.

If you're swerving inwards on all shots or shots like long straight in shots, it might just be because of your gut (if you have one). It's pretty common for people to move their shoulders to get space to stroke under their guts.
 
scottjen26, the drills you diagramed were first introduced to me by someone who goes by Tony that frequents the Amsterdam pool hall in NYC after he destroyed me in OP at 11-5 handicap.

Tony?
Amsterdam?
Great player?

Hmmmmmmmm. Wonder who that might be.
;)

Steve
 
scottjen26, the drills you diagramed were first introduced to me by someone who goes by Tony that frequents the Amsterdam pool hall in NYC after he destroyed me in OP at 11-5 handicap. He said that had helped him tremendously throughout the years. I practice a lot of straight shots with 5 different strokes (follow into the pocket, stun follow, stop, draw a bit, draw straight back to the pocket), and all strokes are hit with the same speed. When I can pocket all 5 strokes with high accuracy, I move onto putting the CB close to the rail/pocket, which requires to jack up the cue. Simply shooting straight shoots, for whatever reasons, has helped me a lot to improve my game.

Must be Tony Robles. I met him here in Jax at a pool school, took an immediate liking to him. He totally got my game just from watching me for 5 minutes and understood and responded to all of my questions. If I was anywhere near him I would probably go broke taking lessons from him... :)
Scott
 
Hey Blackjack, nice to hear from you. I just heard you moved, if you were still in the area you would definitely be on my call list, I enjoyed our conversations.

I just PM'ed Scott Lee, hopefully we can work something out, he and a few others come highly recommended so doubt I can go wrong there.

Thanks, and hope you are doing well!
Scott
 
Tony?
Amsterdam?
Great player?

Hmmmmmmmm. Wonder who that might be.
;)

Steve

It's not Tony Robles. It's a much older guy, and I think Tony is the name he goes by. If memory serves me right, I believe his real name is 'fraco' or something along the line.
 
I have the advantage of having a 9-foot table at home, so this may not be of use to you. I also don't get bored on a pool table.

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Depending on how I'm feeling, I shoot this 50 times, or until I make it 50 times consecutively; at the time I had to quit playing there wasn't much difference in those, but I've been doing it a long time. I also set a specific target for the cue ball: follow the object ball in, follow to a specific spot, follow just one ball width, or just enough to replace the object ball, etc. For the two very short follows (ball width, replace object ball) try it two ways: very soft, and hitting the cue ball low and hard enough that it's just starting to turn when it hits the object ball. Also, stop shots tell you very quickly whether you're hitting the cue ball on the vertical axis. I've also found it useful to keep records of how well I do this.

This can be done fairly fast if you shoot from alternate ends (i.e., shoot from the end where the previous object ball was pocketed).

This wasn't my idea, by the way. I got it on RSB long ago - from Ken Bowers(?), I think, who had gotten it from some high-level friend of his. It's helped immensely.

I used to warm up with this shot, 5-10 in each corner with a stop shot, then I used to shoot 5 in each corner with follow (trying to follow down to the end rail and back up table, so a good paced follow stroke) and 5 in each corner with draw (drawing back to the head rail or back out a little). I did the follow and draw just to make sure those strokes, especially with power, were still straight like a normal stop shot.

Sounds silly since I'm asking about a straight stroke, but I stopped warming up with this when I started making 10 out of 10 pretty consistently, maybe once in a while I'd jack one into the rail or lose concentration and only make 9 out of 10. If I shot 50 stop shots in a row from this position, either direction wouldn't matter, I would estimate I would make 43 - 45 easy, maybe 46 or 47, but probably not 50, again either through lack of concentation, routine, or some crazy twitchy wrist. Maybe I'm expecting too much to make 49 or 50 out of 50, but it's those very unexplained swerves or poor strokes that come up occasionally for me that can cost me a rack or two and change the outcome of a match.
Scott
 
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