Drugs????
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worriedbeef said:
Please keep in mind that it is the government that made these "categories". And as w/ most everything that is invented by the government, the reasons rarely have anything to do w/ public safety, but more about profits, IMHO.
worriedbeef said:
Very true about the excess part. Most ANYTHING is harmful in excess. As far as the "drugs" not having any benefits? I have to disagree on that. Peyote has been used for thousands of years for spiritual reasons (not recreational) by numerous Indians in the Americas. I seriously doubt any of them would agree that there are no benefits. Cannabis is widely known to create appetites for AIDS patients (and many other ailments where the sufferer has no appetite). Many, many opiate derivatives have great benefits for pain that makes life bearable for many. But for some reason, most people who are anti drugs feels that it's ok when the government (ie FDA) packs the opiates (and many other "drugs") in a pill and gives them out. And most anybody that has taken a hit of acid (and to a lesser degree MDMA and shrooms, IMO) will agree that their outlook on life changed for the better (no matter whether it was a necessarily good or bad trip overall). Describing this "changed outlook" is impossible w/o experiencing it.
Just my 2 cents.
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Cuebacca said:In your opinion, are these all in the same category?
Yep. What's the difference. They all affect you in a negative way physically and mentally.
Cuebacca said:In your opinion, are these all in the same category?
If there is a group of people sending the message to kids that marijuana is "in the same category and just as dangerous as coke, heroin, etc.", then I hope that no one in that group complains that marijuana is the "gateway drug". Think about it. No, seriously, read it again, and think about it.
(I don't mean to pick on anyone specifically, nor do I presume that the above statement applies to anyone here.)
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i do understand what your point is don't get me wrong, but my opinion is this. i would be just as angry if my son or daughter smoked cannabis as if they took cocaine. both would be an equally boneheaded decision to which i would be pissed off with.
If there are any young, impressionable people on this forum, I strongly suggest you DON'T listen to Fatboy RECOMMENDING ECSTACY FOR EVERYBODY. That is probably one of the most ridiculous, and absoloutely senseless things I've ever read on this site. That drug contains a little of every hard drug out there, and one or two doses does irrepairable damage to your brain. I have a friend that turned into a 'walking vegetable' as we call it. He took the drug once, the kind he got had a bad mix, and now has been diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic. He talks to himself outloud. He hallucinates. He's not the same person he was before he took it. ONE FRIGGIN BAD DOSE TURNED HIM INTO THAT.
Fatboy, do you still recommend that drug to everyone? After reading that?
Wow, Fatboy I can't believe you said that.
And please don't even attempt to argue with me about this drug, I will eat you alive. There is a lot of bullshit floating around about how "harmless" this drug supposedly is. The truth is it's one of the worst out there. How do I know? I still have some minor problems caused by this drug that I used almost a decade ago, and they aren't going away. And I wasn't a heavy user. I probably used it 10x total.
Fatboy, do you still recommend that drug to everyone? After reading that?
Wow, Fatboy I can't believe you said that.
And please don't even attempt to argue with me about this drug, I will eat you alive. There is a lot of bullshit floating around about how "harmless" this drug supposedly is. The truth is it's one of the worst out there. How do I know? I still have some minor problems caused by this drug that I used almost a decade ago, and they aren't going away. And I wasn't a heavy user. I probably used it 10x total.
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worriedbeef said:
I certainly support your right to feel that way, and there is no question in my mind that you are a very good father. I hope none of my statements implied anything different (just in case they could be interpreted that way).
I just think society makes too many generalizations in many many areas, whereas there is very little in life that I believe is black and white. In the interest of peace, harmony and a little sack time, I'll leave it at that.
Alcohol is certainly a drug. In FACT, alcohol is a dangerous and addicting drug. For most people it only takes 4 to 5 drops of alcohol per 1,000 drops of blood in your system to be fatal, less if you're taking downers with the alcohol.
After 20 years as an alcoholic & other drug addict and 26 years recovering, and 25 years as a counselor, it is my opinion that; if it causes problems then it's a problem. If it causes lots of problems then it's a big problem. If it's a big problem and you keep doing it then there are only three reasons I can think of why you would do that: you must be either crazy, incredibly stupid, or addicted (which leads to some of the other two
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After 20 years as an alcoholic & other drug addict and 26 years recovering, and 25 years as a counselor, it is my opinion that; if it causes problems then it's a problem. If it causes lots of problems then it's a big problem. If it's a big problem and you keep doing it then there are only three reasons I can think of why you would do that: you must be either crazy, incredibly stupid, or addicted (which leads to some of the other two
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cuetechasaurus said:
sorry to hear about your friend getting fried on some bad drugs.. that is pretty shitty...
but .. it wasnt MDMA...
and dont believe the rumours that Herion is "in" x pills....
to mix in an effective oral dose of smack would push the cost of the X to over 70 dollars...a pill...
It all goes back to educated use.. you buy an unkown pill from an unkonwn source then you stand the chance of 1. losing money on a dud or 2 getting some bad dope that make you sick.. or worse
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worriedbeef said:
Does this include caffeine? Not a coffee, soft drink, or tea drinker? Isn't caffeine a drug? Chocolate also contains caffeine and other mood altering terpanines, is chocolate a "drug"? If caffeine were sold as a white powder it would probably be illegal.
Drugs are nothing more than a means to an end, like money. They are a vehicle to help achieve a goal. We have drugs that do everything synthetic compounds we routinely injest because we want to feel better. I'm not sleeping so good, I take a sleeping pill. My head hurts, I take a pain reliever. I have trouble getting going in the morning, couple cups of coffee or tea and I'm good to go. I feel blue, take a pill full of synthetic brain chemicals to feel better, or have a drink of alcohol or a puff of marijuana.
The point is that altering our mood by external means is in our nature, and in the nature of most every warm blooded animal on the planet. Evolutionary biologists believe that altering of perception is a valuable tool for evolution. Alter your perception of the world and learn something that might enhance survival.
The key is to understand what you are taking and what it will do to you, including possible side effects or long term effects from over use.
I have been there done that. Never played with syringes, there are a host of other safer delivery methods.
Are drugs right for everyone? Absolutely. Are all drugs suitable for everyone? Absolutely not. Again they are a tool like a hammer or a magnifying glass proceed with caution and know what you are taking.
The biggest thing with kids today, rivaling pot use is medicine cabinet drugs. Robotripping is huge with teens. Buy it legally drink alot of it and trip out. Very dangerous stuff at the doses required.
Banger
Durgs are bad, IMHO NUFF SAID.
Meth is very popular, and make you SEXY....NOT
Meth is very popular, and make you SEXY....NOT
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Hicks has made a few appearances on AZB:smokeandapancak said:
"See, I think drugs have done some *good* things for us, I really do. And if you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a Favor: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your cds and burn em. 'Cause you know what? The musicians who've made all that great music that's enhanced your lives throughout the years...
Rrrrrrrrrrrrreal ------ high on drugs."
--Bill Hicks
"It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom. Keep that in mind at all times."
-- Bill Hicks
My pee is clean!
Black-Balled said:
That first quote was on Tool's Anemia cd.......
Yah, Mon! A fine CD!smokeandapancak said:
DId you know his material also made Faith No More's King for a Day CD?
"Its always funny until someone gets hurt and then its just hilarious."
BB .. have you ever listen to Stanhope.. I just got turned on to him about a week ago..
very much in the way of Carlin and Hicks.....
check him out on You Tube
very much in the way of Carlin and Hicks.....
check him out on You Tube
Fatboy
I will say your back med must be screwing with your brain. Do really thing this is a subject for the main forum?
I will say your back med must be screwing with your brain. Do really thing this is a subject for the main forum?
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