Earl admits cheating Charlie Williams in the Skins on Tape

Fast Lenny said:
Here is the link to him speaking about it and rationalizing his behavior.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXAPSHF0dXo

Here is the match where he gets his bad role and then cheats if you have never seen it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyoaEq2-IPQ
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Unfortunately i have seen both of them before and all they ever do is stir up trouble and name calling or what have you..this incident has been beat to death in my opinion....please just let the incident die a natural death. It does not need to be brought up every couple of months and start a new round of bashing. By the way, during that tournament Charlie was not suppose to call a foul. Only the referee can call the foul and Earl is right. Scott Frost never saw it. And i will say this for the last time. Charlie Williams did the same thing to Ian Costello at Classic Billiards in Rochester NY..Ian called foul and Charlie told him that only Mike Zuglan, the promoter and T/D whose name was Pat,, could call it........The difference is that this involves Earl and there is no love lost between Earl And Charlie. Everybody knows that.....So again... please just let this die a natural death.......................mike
 
I don't consider that cheating

I don't consider that cheating. In fact he did absolutely nothing.
I'm not saying that I feel he was "correct" in his ways, but I
do not consider his actions as cheating. It seems that having
just one referee is not enough to prevent that type of situation.

And I'm also curious if there really was a problem with the
table. There should be no problems like that allowed with the
equipment in important and well-profiting tournaments. If it
takes a referee or table mechanic to run their hand all over the
table before a match, or even a more in-depth analysis, so be
it.

I think a lesson, maybe two were learned from this occurrence,
and the opportunity exists to help prevent others in the future.
 
whitey2 said:
I don't consider that cheating. In fact he did absolutely nothing.
I'm not saying that I feel he was "correct" in his ways, but I
do not consider his actions as cheating. It seems that having
just one referee is not enough to prevent that type of situation.

And I'm also curious if there really was a problem with the
table. There should be no problems like that allowed with the
equipment in important and well-profiting tournaments. If it
takes a referee or table mechanic to run their hand all over the
table before a match, or even a more in-depth analysis, so be
it.

I think a lesson, maybe two were learned from this occurrence,
and the opportunity exists to help prevent others in the future.
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Huh? His actions were not cheating? So if I get into a car accident and drive off, but no one is "around" to see it, that isn't a hit and run? Good or bad roles on the table, he committed a foul and should have had the MATURITY to own up to it. If there was a problem with the equipment he should have stopped the match and talked to the ref.
 
That is a completely different situation to compare to.

But if you want to use that, lets take it to the level similar to the situation. If there was an accident between two parties and it was party A's fault but the INSURANCE company or a JUDGE ruled that it was NOT party A's fault, then it isn't no matter what the truth may be, because both parties, under the conditions of their insurance and also because we live under certain laws agree to abide by those laws.

In a pool tourney, the referee makes a decision to call a foul. If s/he does not, that is the fault of the referee not the fault of the offending player or the player that was somehow "disadvantaged" by that play. Is that necessarily the fairest system? no, probably not. But that is the existing system and while there are things that slips through the cracks, it is more or less a positive functioning system.
 
I think Earl made a mistake by not admitting it at the time and probably wishes he had now. The game was being televised and he should have known that it would be exposed to the viewers. His reputation was at stake and now thousands of fans think of him as a cheat. JMHO
 
yally said:
should have had the MATURITY to own up to it.
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iv seen some of his interviews after he loses, and i have to say he is the most immature loser i have ever seen, always rationalizing and making up excuses, its just sad that a pro acts like that, i was a better loser when i was 10 then he is at what ever age he is:D
 
oceanweb said:
I think Earl made a mistake by not admitting it at the time and probably wishes he had now. The game was being televised and he should have known that it would be exposed to the viewers. His reputation was at stake and now thousands of fans think of him as a cheat. JMHO
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this is why the IPT had a rule that if you foul and the ref does not call it your are supposed to call it on yourself:) , im guessing that if you didnt the game could be reviewed and the offending party would automatically lose or get a fine or both:confused:
 
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So something is only cheating or a crime if you get caught? It was cheating regardless of if the ref saw him do it or not. One's own sportmanship or morals should have nothing to do w/ if anyone is watching. What is right/wrong is the same whether or not a ref sees it.
Earl knows he cheated, and like a CHILD he tries to justify it by saying the table cheated him. Sorry earl but two wrongs don't make a right, i know it's childish but it applies. Same as if someone stole my wallet for example, if a week later i find a wallet on the ground it isn't my right to keep it now, to make up for the fact i was cheated earlier that week. Don't get me wrong, i like earl and think he is a great player but this is one issue i can't support him on.
 
different situations

If it was in the rules that you had to call the foul on yourself,
than I would say he cheated. I don't know if that was a rule.
I don't see the benefit of comparing the occurrence to a
different situation though.

I could say, well just because you didn't get caught speeding
in your car the last 1000+ times you did it, was it morally
right? Please go to the police department right now and pay up!
 
Speeding down the highway doesn't cheat or hurt anyone though. Earl not calling the foul in a situation where his opponent would get ball in hand on a critical game however does AFFECT someone though. Rule or not i would hope the players are mature and have enough sportmanship to play the game fairly and want to win based on their merit, not cheating. When i play in tournaments i have respect for all the players there, and as part of that i don't cheat any of them! Regardless if i could get away it
 
Before each Skins Billiards Championship event, there is a players meeting.

At the players meeting, the rules of the event are made crystal clear.

One rule is the referee is to call all fouls, not the players. As well, the referee racks all balls, not the players. Scott Smith at the above-referenced match between Strickland and Williams.

Scott Smith did not see the alleged foul committed by Earl Strickland. He stated his ruling, and according to the rules of the Skins, after the Scott makes his ruling, all players return to their seats. There is to be no debate, especially in full view of the cameras.

I was at this Skins tournament. I saw Earl out in the hallway after the match. I don't think he saw what everybody else saw on the TV cameras. Sometimes in the heat of battle, it is difficult to see every single thing. I've seen it happen to other players as well.

JAM
 
Bobby Jones said that getting credit for calling a foul on yourself is like getting praised for not robbing a bank, it's just what sportsmen do.

Bobby Jones - perhaps the greatest golfer ever.
 
John Barton said:
Bobby Jones said that getting credit for calling a foul on yourself is like getting praised for not robbing a bank, it's just what sportsmen do.
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where was this published? i'd love to read it verbatim.
 
I do understand that the non-shooting players can't call the foul.

Question is, can the shooting player call a foul on himself?
 
SILVER__WOMBAT said:
iv seen some of his interviews after he loses, and i have to say he is the most immature loser i have ever seen, always rationalizing and making up excuses, its just sad that a pro acts like that, i was a better loser when i was 10 then he is at what ever age he is:D
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Earl Says: "Shoot pool and stay in school".....Words to live by....

McCue Banger McCue
 
To insist that Earl "cheated" is way out of line. He committed a foul, the ref didn't see it, and his mistake (although open to debate) was not calling himself. In baseball when a pitcher throws a questionable pitch that could go either way and the ump calls it a strike, have you ever seen a pitcher stop and approach the ump and say "sorry blue, but I have to be honest in saying that from here it definitely wasn't a strike." A receiver catches the ball on the sidelines and the ref calls it 'in', have you ever seen a receiver call the ref to admit that only one foot touched the ground?
In sports, you take any breaks you can get. You play the game in the best you can, and if the calls go your way, you take them. 'Cause there are equally days where the calls won't go your way.
I still think Earl should have called himself in this particular situation, but this incident doesn't make him a cheater by any means.
dave
 
skins said:
where was this published? i'd love to read it verbatim.
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From Answers.Com http://www.answers.com/bobby jones

"Jones was not only a consummately skilled golfer, but he also exemplified the principles of sportsmanship and fair play. In the beginning of his amateur career, he was in the final playoff of the United States Open. During the match, his ball ended up in the rough just off the fairway, and as he was setting up to play his shot his iron caused a slight move of the ball. He immediately got angry with himself, turned to the marshals, and called a foul on himself. The marshals discussed among themselves and questioned some of the gallery if anyone had seen the foul. Their decision was that neither they nor anyone else had witnessed any foul, so the decision was left to Jones. Bobby Jones called the foul on himself. The marshal announced that Bobby Jones commanded an extremely high level of integrity, and that he was to be highly commended for this. Jones replied, "Do you commend a bank robber for not robbing a bank? No you don't. This is how the game of golf should be played at all times." Jones would lose the match by one stroke. The United States Golf Association's sportsmanship award is named the Bob Jones Award."

As requested.
 
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