Yet TPA of the match comes after it is finished. The Fargo Rate is known before the match starts.
We're talking about how well a player's TPA for a match indicates how they played in that match.
Yet TPA of the match comes after it is finished. The Fargo Rate is known before the match starts.
TPA is figured during and after the match, not before. So not sure how it could predict the outcome.
Fargo isn't meant to predict anything. It's just a rating that fluctuates based on whether the player performs at, below, or above their rating in conjunction with their opponent's.
Pretty sure Jack didn't have PED's at his disposal like Tiger did. Tiger didn't stay healthy because he started using. C'mon, everybody knows that. Tiger's legacy will always be tainted because of his usage. Much like Barry Bonds.
Pretty sure Jack didn't have PED's at his disposal like Tiger did. Tiger didn't stay healthy because he started using. C'mon, everybody knows that. Tiger's legacy will always be tainted because of his usage. Much like Barry Bonds.
Ritalin was available Jack's entire professional career. But you are right, Tiger had a much greater selection to choose from. And I doubt he could take time-released capsules.
We're talking about how well a player's TPA for a match indicates how they played in that match.
Is there proof of him taking anything?
We're talking about using these statistics to indicate how well someone plays.
Is there anywhere that has a players average TPA using all their matches(that are available)? you would think this would give a similar rating to fargo.
Possibly better?
Is there anywhere that has a players average TPA using all their matches(that are available)? you would think this would give a similar rating to fargo.
Possibly better?
Here's Earl's path to victory in the 2000 US Open 9-Ball event:
1. Keith Walton 11-8
2. Clint Malicoat 11-6
3. Vincent Marcellino 11-2
4. George SanSouci 11-7
5. Tom Karabatsos 11-4
6. Vegar Kristiansen 11-9
7. Corey Deuel 11-5
8. Jon Kucharo 11-2
9. Takeshi Okumura 11-5
10. Takeshi Okumura 11-5
Total 110-53 (winning percentage 67%)
[Note: This information is from Billiards Digest, Nov. 2000. I do not know whether the list is complete.]
The relevant BD and Pool & Billiard articles for 1997 and 1993 mention only his late matches. In 1997, Earl lost to John Horsfall on the winners' side 7-11, then later beat Horsfall 11-8, then beat Reyes in the final 11-3. In 1993, Earl beat Tony Ellin in the hotseat match 13-5, then beat Ellin again in the final 11-8 (shortened for TV coverage).
BeiberLvr;5702146 Fargo includes every single match.[/QUOTE said:That's reported
That field does not even come close to the field Shane had to go through this week.Here's Earl's path to victory in the 2000 US Open 9-Ball event:
1. Keith Walton 11-8
2. Clint Malicoat 11-6
3. Vincent Marcellino 11-2
4. George SanSouci 11-7
5. Tom Karabatsos 11-4
6. Vegar Kristiansen 11-9
7. Corey Deuel 11-5
8. Jon Kucharo 11-2
9. Takeshi Okumura 11-5
10. Takeshi Okumura 11-5
Total 110-53 (winning percentage 67%)
[Note: This information is from Billiards Digest, Nov. 2000. I do not know whether the list is complete.]
The relevant BD and Pool & Billiard articles for 1997 and 1993 mention only his late matches. In 1997, Earl lost to John Horsfall on the winners' side 7-11, then later beat Horsfall 11-8, then beat Reyes in the final 11-3. In 1993, Earl beat Tony Ellin in the hotseat match 13-5, then beat Ellin again in the final 11-8 (shortened for TV coverage).
That's reported
Great analysis here! From my perspective, Earl in his prime moved the cue ball better than anyone else, except Parica. Earl was the superior player because of his break. In the more recent era Yang was the best I've seen at making incredible shots to get position for the next shot. He ran racks where everyone else (including Jayson) would be playing safe. Yang ran out when there was no run out there!
No question that Jayson may be the best pure shot maker ever. He pops in long tough shots that most players will play safe on. How about that one he made in his last match against Chang. Incredible. Only Louie Roberts ever made shots like that with regularity. Louie actually cut long shots from extreme angles down the rail better than anyone ever. Lee Vann is the master of these shots today.
For making a tough shot under extreme pressure (like hill-hill) Buddy was the best in his era and Dennis is today. For my money though Wu Chua Ching and Shane are the two best players today. These two have a higher level than anyone else. Once upon a time I said the same thing about Earl. When everyone played their best, Earl was one speed above them all. Twenty years ago!
SVB was not the player then he is now. That was circa 06-07 when, despite playing really strong, he didn't have the gambling experience he has now. I don't know that it would be possible for a player to make a comeback like that again.
That said, I don't think it's fair to judge Earl harshly by what happened. As I said in my last post, pool greatness is measured by achievements, not failures. If SVB melts down and loses his next finals 11-10 after being up 10-0, missing multiple money balls...does that take away what he did today? I don't think so.
Look at Mika Immonen. He hasn't been very dominant over the last few years, nor the earlier part of the 2000s...he was a top player, but not THE top player. But he caught a gear and hit a few years where he was almost unstoppable. And he gets credit for those years, even if he didn't sustain it across decades. Although we might not have seen the last of him!
Good point !
I think of that time to time.
I think a lot has to do with a pool player's progression from being a pro to settling down getting married n having kids.
Its tough for a family man to as dedicated as he was single.
A good example is Darren Appleton , like mika won the world 10 ball , 9 ball , 2 us open and big money 100 k chinese 8 ball over a span of 2007-2015.
Of a sudden, in a slump n not getting the big money comp he is known for.
Has mike gotten married ?
Perhaps he wouldn't have choked, but he did lost something like a 20 game lead against Pagulayan years ago didn't he?
Shane lost concentration playing Alex.....because of a female that was with him at that moment....not making excuses, just calling it what it was.