eBay seller qualitycues - anyone know this person?

[UGOTDA7]

In an auction, additional fees, payment methods and shipping methods should be clearly stated. However, when it comes to PayPal it is hard to be clear because it is against Ebay rules to state that the buyer is responsible for PayPal fees, this is why you rarely see it. If you do see it, it slipped by the Ebay police. This is why a lot of sellers list the usual payment options but then state to email them for additional payment options - so then the subject of PayPal fees can be discussed.

When it comes down to it, PayPal fees are just another subject to be addressed when negotiating a deal, much the same as shipping method/costs.

And PayPal is usually one of many options, not the only method of payment. If a buyer chooses to pay by PayPal using a method (tied to a credit card) which they know will incur additional fees impacting the bottom line, then they should be prepared to pay those additional fees. If they don't want to deal with PayPal fees, they don't have to use it, simple as that.

Of course deals can/will be lost because of this. This is just another in the long line of risks when doing a deal. Both the buyer and seller should take this into consideration. I think that if both the buyer and seller really want to do the deal and act in a reasonable manner, then a middle ground will be reached. It is when people expect something for nothing that problems arise.

Having said all of that, in general on a lower end item I'll suck up the PayPal fees just to do an easy deal, negotiating over a few dollars just isn't worth it. But on a deal(s) that can get up to thousands of dollars (I did an $8,000 PayPal deal in the past), PayPal fees can be a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[Jeff]

I would think if a deal is made on E-bay for anything over a grand, and especially anything over 2, it should be made by sending the cue to an Escrow Service like proficientbilliards and pay with a money order.

What you would save by not using paypal would pay for the cost of the escrow and both parties would feel secure in the deal.

 

[TATE]

Having said all of that, in general on a lower end item I'll suck up the PayPal fees just to do an easy deal, negotiating over a few dollars just isn't worth it. But on a deal(s) that can get up to thousands of dollars (I did an $8,000 PayPal deal in the past), PayPal fees can be a bitter pill to swallow.

Regardless of the fees, I've done $2,000 - $3,000 deals on Payal where I've received the money and I'm generally uncomfortable with sales that big. There is very little protection built in for the seller. There was a verified seller a few months ago here who took paypal for a cue from a verified buyer, shipped to a confirmed address with proof of delivery (I think the cue was around $500, and was charged back by paypal a short while later. They said the card was fraudulently used. The seller was out the cue and the money, with little hope of recovery. Paypal gave almost no details except fraud.


My guess is the buyer stopped payment through the credit card company and paypal had to reverse it. Their guarantees are very weak and they have a lot of loopholes. For the big bucks, I think cash is king. Stories like this make me concerned about the risk on large transactions.

I also experienced a new one a few weeks ago. I tried to pay on Paypal on an E-Bay auction with my credit card. Paypal would not let me do it, I had to do a bank transfer. There was a note that said that occasionally Paypal will not accept credit cards from buyers as a security measure. Once it has been decided this on an auction, it is not something they will reverse. I'm verified with 64 transactions. The seller only had one or two transactions. I think they were flagging the seller for a certain dollar amount and when he exceeded that, it was cash only from buyers to lower their risk. Interesting, huh?

Chris

 

[TATE]

just a note to let people know i noticed mike / quality cues joined the forum so after receiving posting priviledges will be able to answers your questions himself.

mike! welcome to the forum!
we have a lot of people in need of free legal advice!

Owwww - I can hear the poopies hitting the fan right now...

tha- wap

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he won't be able to post for a couple of days, so delete now or forever hold your piece.

 

[Matt_24]

I've sold quite a few $2000 and up items on ebay. I always accept paypal but clarify with the buyer that I won't ship until the item clears paypal and clears my account, as I immediately transfer the funds from my paypal account to my checking account. So far this has worked perfectly fine and I've never had any problems, or complaints about this from my customers. I think if you're going to be a serious seller on ebay, you must be set up through paypal...or you're going to lose many potential buyers.

 

[Poolhawk]

chris,
actually i emailed with mike and he mentioned having read the thread already!
the word he remembered most was "anal"!
you do have a good attorney don't you?

So what he's a lawyer,you cant sue somone unless you can prove that you suffered some sort of monetary loss so commenting and answer questions on a forum are not reasons to get parinoid.Just because MIKE is joining this forum doesnt make him imune to discussions here.Shall we all send him flowers or what.If he acted or did something in a deal that wasnt right does that mean we dont need to find these things out Just because he's a lawyer.Comon,he probaly aint the only one on az. I am sure he has better things to do than file brief's about discussions on az billiards.IMO

 

[TATE]

chris,
actually i emailed with mike and he mentioned having read the thread already!
the word he remembered most was "anal"!
you do have a good attorney don't you?

Hmmmm... I seem to recall someone saying "_ _ _ _ lawyer" but I guess I am mistaken in that assumption, your honor, because I couldn't seem to find it any longer in the thread. You see at my age, which is the same as Bill Clinton's used to be, the memories come and go on a daily basis. However, if it were said, I am sure it was said by ICONCUE in a positive way. It is hard to communicate this positive tone in the written word, like in a Martha stewart good thing type of sing- song voice.

Now then, I myself prefer to use the word "finicky" so as not to offend the overly sensitive, sue-yer-hangin'-out-ass types.

Chris

 

[TATE]

formerly mjgartland on ebay

sells some nice cues at fair prices

I think that was a very nice thing to say, Jeff.

Would you like to add anything?

 

[Hidy Ho]

Sorry man ... it was my bad. I told Mike about the thread I stared

he had already read it so didnt do me any good!
he was nice and made me feel bad for posting it!

 

[Hidy Ho]

More ways than one

figures! what a ho!

 

[Quality Cues]

Why I do not accept credit cards via PayPal

He is legitimate.

I have sold him a few cues (high dollar) in the past year and know others who have bought cues from him.

He says he'll take PayPal, but not with payment tied to a credit card.

I would not hesitate to do business with him in the future (and probably will).

Mike:

Thanks for your kind words. The reason that I do not accept credit cards via PayPal is two-fold. First, I have heard of too many horror stories about buyers fraudulently using credit cards to burn sellers. I simply do not want to be left holding the bag by a scam artisit. Second, I do not want to absorb the 3% PayPal fee for the privilege of accepting credit card payments. When you list a cue on eBay, you cannot state that the buyer must pay the 3% PayPal fee. Ebay canceled several of listing for stating the same. I do, however, gladly accept e-checks via PayPal, and ship within 24 hours of the time that the funds clear into my bank account.

I have numerous repeat customers who have paid me with U.S. Postal Service money orders, which is my preferred form of payment. I can provide any person with several references upon request. I am an honest and trustworthy cue seller, as you and other highly respected cue dealers know.

Sincerely,

Mike Gartland d/b/a Quality Cues
cell: 859-420-8733

 

[Quality Cues]

Move from Maine to Kentucky

What I know:

He just moved from Maine to Kentucky a short time ago (new job).

I believe he switched/updated his username to something cue related as he has of late committed himself much more to buying/selling/trading cues. He is still in the process of getting this username established/recognized which is why there is a limited number of feedbacks. I think his previous username had his name in it

He is associated with the legal profession (I think he is a lawyer).

When he does a deal he covers all the bases (translation - he'll ask you questions to death and if you aren't patient with him it can get very annoying). I can see how this might turn some people off.

I have done approximately ten deals with him totaling around $15,000 and never had a problem.

I trust him, however I have an established relationship with him and we know what to expect from each other from start to finish.

My experience is such that I would not hesitate to do a deal with him in the future no matter how expensive it was.

Of course this is just my personal experience, others may have different sentiments.

Mike is right. On September 27, 2005, I moved out of my residence in Maine. On October 2, 2005, my family and I moved into our new home in Lexington, Kentucky. A great position with an outstanding bankruptcy and litigation boutique and a desire to live in a much warmer climate were the reason why I relocated.

Mike Gartland d/b/a Quality Cues
cell: 859-420-8733

 

[Quality Cues]

A guy who post on here rarely Sccues had a problem with him last month I heard at the us open from his friend.Another thing is he says ky for location now but his last feedback was from Me.I have spoken to Mike Gartland in the past and i think he says he's a lawyer and was in maine last time we chatted so i dont know why he is saying ky for his location.He was selling cues on cueauctions and was listing them wierd ways with different locations there.I dont know,but he's on my list like vonhrett's!!

The reason that I'm saying that Lexington, Kentucky is my new location is because I moved into a home in Lexington on October 2, 2005. I closed on that home on September 30, 2005.

Sincerely,

Mike Gartland d/b/a Quality Cues
cell: 859-420-8733

 

[Quality Cues]

Thank You

I've spoken to him before on the phone, we never came to an agreement on trading cues ...but, he can be trusted. He was under another userid with lots of positive feedback, so he's cool in my books.

Thanks for your very kind words.

Sincerely,

Mike Gartland d/b/a Quality Cues
cell: 859-420-8733

 

[cornerstone]

Mike

Mike:

Thanks for your kind words. The reason that I do not accept credit cards via PayPal is two-fold. First, I have heard of too many horror stories about buyers fraudulently using credit cards to burn sellers. I simply do not want to be left holding the bag by a scam artisit. Second, I do not want to absorb the 3% PayPal fee for the privilege of accepting credit card payments. When you list a cue on eBay, you cannot state that the buyer must pay the 3% PayPal fee. Ebay canceled several of listing for stating the same. I do, however, gladly accept e-checks via PayPal, and ship within 24 hours of the time that the funds clear into my bank account.

I have numerous repeat customers who have paid me with U.S. Postal Service money orders, which is my preferred form of payment. I can provide any person with several references upon request. I am an honest and trustworthy cue seller, as you and other highly respected cue dealers know.

Sincerely,

Mike Gartland d/b/a Quality Cues
cell: 859-420-8733

I have delt with mike and he is a straight shooter! and he requies perfect cues,(if you are paying 3000+) you should. so also if you are getting product from him you can expect the same Bill

 

[Quality Cues]

He's a lawyer, knows cues very well, and is absolutely finicky about quality. I would much rather buy from him than sell to him. He is a high quality contact and buys and sells a lot of nice cues. Very respectable.

Chris

Chris:

The reason that I'm finicky about cues when I am buying them is that I want to be known as a guy who sells only the highest quality cues. Thanks for your kind words.

Sincerely,

Mike

 

[Quality Cues]

formerly mjgartland on ebay

sells some nice cues at fair prices

Jeff:

You have some of the most awesome cues on the planet. Thanks for your kind words.

Sincerely,

Mike

 

[Quality Cues]

I have delt with mike and he is a straight shooter! and he requies perfect cues,(if you are paying 3000+) you should. so also if you are getting product from him you can expect the same Bill

Bill:

As one of the largest and reputable cue dealers alive, I really appreciate your kind words. Thanks much!!!

Sincerely,

Mike

 

[cuedoctor]

Welcome aboard!

The reason that I'm saying that Lexington, Kentucky is my new location is because I moved into a home in Lexington on October 2, 2005. I closed on that home on September 30, 2005.

Sincerely,

Mike Gartland d/b/a Quality Cues
cell: 859-420-8733

I dont know about warmer in ky,I froze at the derby last year!But I guess it was that way most of the year up in maine..Having moved from jersey to va 6 years ago the only thing I miss is the food! You shouldnt be too far from the derby city classic where you are now so maybe you will get a chance to meet some of us,I know bill will be there.
LOL

 

[alpine9430]

I dont know about warmer in ky,I froze at the derby last year!But I guess it was that way most of the year up in maine..Having moved from jersey to va 6 years ago the only thing I miss is the food! You shouldnt be too far from the derby city classic where you are now so maybe you will get a chance to meet some of us,I know bill will be there.
LOL

Have to agree about missing the food! Moved from NYC to Northern VA and the opportunity to have a great meal is a bit of a challenge at times in this area. But the pool challenges are right up to par in most large cities.