Efren or Allison?
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Think Sigel and Varner are two totally different type of personalaties.....
Renegade said:
Efren would win. There is a reason Allison doesn't play men's events.
vapoolplayer said:you must not like money too much........
VAP
Actually my Best Friend, and i don't just jump ship or go band wagon, always have loved Allison's Game. Cole.
catscradle said:
If i am right i remember Allison saying something if she did have to play a match against the men she would like to have it televised, or something.
Sweet Marissa
www.Bella-Muse.com
Had to laugh... There isn't a woman alive who can beat Efren.
It's not a debate, and I agree that this isn't something for a public newsgroup. But you are dead wrong, and had no problems putting that in the forum. You wrote that she had backers...who are they?sjm said:
Are you saying that you think Allison can compete with Efren? Do you have any idea how much skill this guy has. I want you to go to the Open next month and watch this guy play.... and then go to the pool room that night and watch him gamble. I can assure you that your opinion will change. The skill level between these two players is laughable.hsholes said:
During the 2000 BCA Open in Las Vegas I overheard Buddy Hall and Johnny Archer talking while in a sky box. I was watching Allison playing Vivian if I am not mistaken and was lucky enough to have a friend playing in the event and had gotten her "family" pass allowing me to watch from the skybox. What a great vantage point.
Buddy asked Johnny if he had ever played Jean Balukas. Johnny said he had not as she was retiring or had just retired when he was starting on tour.
Buddy Hall said he had played Jean twice and they had split the matches. He also said he had watched Earl played Jean at one point and he had started checking Jean's racks. Buddy went on to mention that he knew Earl was in trouble when he saw him checking the racks.
He went on to say that in his opinion the only women in the WPBA that had a chance against Jean were Allsion and Karen Corr.
I just hope the upcoming IPT matchup does not become a Bobby Riggs vs. Billie Jean King fiasco. Both of the players were top pros in their own right however that was many years ago.
Also, while at Pool School with Allsion Fisher, Gerda Hofstatter, Paul Potier, and Mike Massey in 2001 I had a casual conversation with Gerda. The talk was about matchups. I mentioned how in league play I was getting the 5 and out and a game on the wire from Tony robles and if I would to match up with her, hypothetically of course, I would ask for the same weight. Her response was "I am not Tony Robles".
While I agree that on any given day one top player can beat another or sneak out an unexpected win, in the long run or in a long race for the cash I would have to put my money on most of the top male pros.
Also, we must keep in mind that Allison has sponsors that probably would not appreciate it if she was involved in a high stakes match up for cash. She has built a high class reputation of sportmanship along with great skill and would likely do whatever is necessary to protect that image.
Just a thought.
Buddy asked Johnny if he had ever played Jean Balukas. Johnny said he had not as she was retiring or had just retired when he was starting on tour.
Buddy Hall said he had played Jean twice and they had split the matches. He also said he had watched Earl played Jean at one point and he had started checking Jean's racks. Buddy went on to mention that he knew Earl was in trouble when he saw him checking the racks.
He went on to say that in his opinion the only women in the WPBA that had a chance against Jean were Allsion and Karen Corr.
I just hope the upcoming IPT matchup does not become a Bobby Riggs vs. Billie Jean King fiasco. Both of the players were top pros in their own right however that was many years ago.
Also, while at Pool School with Allsion Fisher, Gerda Hofstatter, Paul Potier, and Mike Massey in 2001 I had a casual conversation with Gerda. The talk was about matchups. I mentioned how in league play I was getting the 5 and out and a game on the wire from Tony robles and if I would to match up with her, hypothetically of course, I would ask for the same weight. Her response was "I am not Tony Robles".
While I agree that on any given day one top player can beat another or sneak out an unexpected win, in the long run or in a long race for the cash I would have to put my money on most of the top male pros.
Also, we must keep in mind that Allison has sponsors that probably would not appreciate it if she was involved in a high stakes match up for cash. She has built a high class reputation of sportmanship along with great skill and would likely do whatever is necessary to protect that image.
Just a thought.
Yea,catscradle said:
The reason she doesn't compete with men, is she doesn't know how to come in less then number 2 in an event.
Don't get me wrong, she's one of the three best woman players in the world, and one of probally 500 players in th world, but she doesn't compete in open events to my knowledge, Corr does (and doesn't come in 1st all that often), and no one has even suggester her as being any compition for Efren (or any of the other top men).
The only way Alison would have a fighting chance with any of the top players would be to get the first break, in a race to 3, because I don't think I have ever seen her break and run more than three rack on TV (I could be wrong, and if so please forgive me). On the other hand I've seen Efren play a 1000 against Jim Wych (spelling may be off).
By the way, I think Efren is the best all around player. But Buddy will always be my all time favoret to win against any body (I love his game).
If I have offended any one out there, let me state that I don't think that women can't play pool as well as men. But at this time they don't at the highest level of both groups sorry.
As a note, Jenn Barreta, said that in the top 16 or so, they would only be ranked 6s & 7s in the APA.
I'm in the APA, and have played with many 6s & 7s, they can't compete at the world class level period.
Pete
What isn't realized ...
Is that Allison would not get to use her offense like she does against
other women. The women do not bank, kick, or play safeties as
good as the men do. Have you ever seen a woman pro bank more
than 1 rail ON PURPOSE, AND MAKE IT? Plus, Allison is familiar with
everyone she plays now. I suspect she might be a little jittery playing
against Efren.
Is that Allison would not get to use her offense like she does against
other women. The women do not bank, kick, or play safeties as
good as the men do. Have you ever seen a woman pro bank more
than 1 rail ON PURPOSE, AND MAKE IT? Plus, Allison is familiar with
everyone she plays now. I suspect she might be a little jittery playing
against Efren.
Sweet Marissa
www.Bella-Muse.com
Earl and I had this conversation and we agree that women simply cannot compete with the men. They have neither the stamina nor the breaking power, among other things. I've seen a kid out of Auburn beat Allison, and he was a mediocre player at best. She's a great player, and her intimidation factor is an advantage when playing the women, but any good male player isn't going to care who she is when they're on the table.Pete said:
There's also a difference between tournament players and the players who gamble; not all can do both.
Corr will be at the Turning Stone Casino this week...and so will Efren. With the field that has been announced, I'd hate to bet she finishes in the money. Her placement will give you a more empirical idea of where Allison would fit in among top male players (I hope you're not one of those who thinks Corr is oh so far inferior to Allison as a player simply because the latter is blond).
You can also study Corr's other Joss tour appearances by tracking her record on the AZB site. Even though she's placed well, she hasn't been a threat to elite players. If the above doesn't convince the Allison fans in the room, it'll be useless to argue any further.
Reality doesn't always comform to political correctedness...
You can also study Corr's other Joss tour appearances by tracking her record on the AZB site. Even though she's placed well, she hasn't been a threat to elite players. If the above doesn't convince the Allison fans in the room, it'll be useless to argue any further.
Reality doesn't always comform to political correctedness...
Allison got the 7-ball from Coltrain and got robbed.
Allison can play but the men's breaks, kicking ang safe play are way above her level right now.
If Efren can give Jimmy Wetch the 7-ball, what can he give Allison?
Allison can play but the men's breaks, kicking ang safe play are way above her level right now.
If Efren can give Jimmy Wetch the 7-ball, what can he give Allison?
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Fred Agnir
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I don't believe this. What stats are you using to make such a statement?predator said:
I don't believe this either. And the fact that it's already proven to be false with Riggs vs. King. I will take a Venus or Serena over #150 any day on your statement. So I'd say your 0-2.
Fred
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Fred Agnir
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whitewolf said:
Anyone who continues to say this about Efren's break is just following the crowd and is misinformed. Efren does not have a weak break, like so many people like to say. When's the last time you saw him break? Never?
Anyone at this year's DCC 10-ball ring game can pipe up and report how Efren was breaking. 10-ball often requires a harder break. And Efren put to rest any notion about his "girly-man" break. So, please stop spreading untruths when you obvious know little about the sport.
Fred