Efren paid by the IPT last Friday for W.O.

IPT assures Bata of his prize


By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Multi-millionaire Kevin Trudeau, founder of the tremendously successful International Pool Tour, has assured Efren “Bata” Reyes, winner of the recent World Open 8-Ball Championships, as well as the other players, that their checks will be issued very soon.

Reyes defeated American Rodney “The Rocket” Morris in the finals of the grueling eight-day tournament to pocket the top prize of $500,000. Reyes himself had earlier said he was not worried about non-payment of his prize money since Trudeau had paid him the $200,000 he won in last December’s King of the Hill tournament and over $60,000, which he won in the North American Open, where Marlon Manalo finished second to Thorsten Hohmann and received his prize of $99,000.

Trudeau’s commitment to pay the players their prize money came in the wake of a concerted effort to put down the IPT which, since its inception last year, has been extremely successful.

Trudeau himself, in a letter to the players, a copy of which was forwarded to Viva Sports/Standard Today, wrote that the IPT, from its inception, has had “its share of people who enjoy spreading false negative gossip about the IPT. These prophets of doom look for anything they can point to as negative.”

Trudeau said the IPT has been more successful than virtually all other billiard tournament promoters and associations combined.

“To date we have paid out more than $3.5 million in prize money to players,” said Trudeau.

The IPT founder said the delay in sending the players checks was “unavoidable due to a multitude of factors, most notably the finalization of the acquisition by Ho Interactive” and that the exciting merger/acquisition will be formally announced soon.


Source:

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=sports4_oct7_2006
 
The author of the article is one of Puyat's PR man and one of his trusted
lieutenants. I'm sure RN knows what's going on inside Efren and Busta's camp.
I'm confused. I know bandido, nbc and linds wouldn't spread gossips about the
checks but this article dated Oct. 7 is really conflicting...
 
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Nostroke said:
This is the same letter KT sent out on what 9/29??

In this internet age, does it really take a week for this 'news' to get to Manila?

This looks more like a rah rah piece for Kevin anyway.

Very weird for a Country that is supposed to be pool crazy.


The title and the prestige that the tournament brings is what matters most for the Filipinos. Money matters is Effie's problem, that's why the press are
backing off from this issue. They know they couldn't help and might make matters worse than it is...
 
bandido said:
Was the sun shining on your informers palm? j/k
Jay, I may not need to ask anybody about this and just use commonsense. If the checks they recieved last friday was for Vegas then that was way tooooooo delayed. But, I'll find out for you. Just for you Jay. Any news on Scott R?


Thanks. I'm sorry, which Scott are you inquiring about? Scott Richardson?
 
gopi-1 said:
IPT assures Bata of his prize


By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Multi-millionaire Kevin Trudeau, founder of the tremendously successful International Pool Tour, has assured Efren “Bata” Reyes, winner of the recent World Open 8-Ball Championships, as well as the other players, that their checks will be issued very soon.

Reyes defeated American Rodney “The Rocket” Morris in the finals of the grueling eight-day tournament to pocket the top prize of $500,000. Reyes himself had earlier said he was not worried about non-payment of his prize money since Trudeau had paid him the $200,000 he won in last December’s King of the Hill tournament and over $60,000, which he won in the North American Open, where Marlon Manalo finished second to Thorsten Hohmann and received his prize of $99,000.

Trudeau’s commitment to pay the players their prize money came in the wake of a concerted effort to put down the IPT which, since its inception last year, has been extremely successful.

Trudeau himself, in a letter to the players, a copy of which was forwarded to Viva Sports/Standard Today, wrote that the IPT, from its inception, has had “its share of people who enjoy spreading false negative gossip about the IPT. These prophets of doom look for anything they can point to as negative.”

Trudeau said the IPT has been more successful than virtually all other billiard tournament promoters and associations combined.

“To date we have paid out more than $3.5 million in prize money to players,” said Trudeau.

The IPT founder said the delay in sending the players checks was “unavoidable due to a multitude of factors, most notably the finalization of the acquisition by Ho Interactive” and that the exciting merger/acquisition will be formally announced soon.


Source:

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=sports4_oct7_2006

What I read here is another "promise" to pay. Am I missing something?
 
jay helfert said:
What I read here is another "promise" to pay. Am I missing something?

In a nutshell Jay..............:)

1. Efren and his camp have said to the media before (and are still saying up to now) that he "hasn't been paid".

2. To 99.9% of the pool population this would normally be interpreted that he hasn't even received his cheque yet (i.e. same as all other players).

3. However Bandido,who is certainly connected in repect of Phillipines based information, has more or less said this is a play upon words and that Efren and Busta have both in fact received their winnings cheques on 28 Sept but that the money will not clear for 30 days or so,therefore technically no-one is being untruthful in saying they "haven't been paid yet".

4. Bandido hints that one of the reasons why IPT would promptly send a cheque to Efren and not the others at this time is connected with the future support of Efren for the reshaped and possibly relocated IPT after it is bought by Asian interests.He therefore further hints by implication that Efren is therefore playing along with IPT's charade until his cheque clears and that this is why Efren hasn't so far came out in interviews and said in clarification "I've received my winnings cheque and it is expected to clear in 30 days".

5. Bandido is a little uncomfortable with this situation as he feels badly for the other players so he has given them these hints via the forums so that the other players can,as he puts it "run with the ball" i.e. can press IPT for their own payments by using the impetus of the information that Efren has been given a cheque nearly 10 days ago so why not them etc etc.

6. Some people nevertheless still think that Bandido's inside info is wrong and that Efren is in the same position as every other player i.e. sitting waiting for his cheque.


Personally I have no opinion,just trying to help by summarising for those who can't be bothered trawling through umpteen threads/posts or who have perhaps misunderstood some of the posts.Hope this helps;)
 
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memikey said:
In a nutshell Jay..............:)

1. Efren and his camp have said to the media before (and are still saying up to now) that he "hasn't been paid".

2. To 99.9% of the pool population this would normally be interpreted that he hasn't even received his cheque yet (i.e. same as all other players).

3. However Bandido,who is certainly connected in repect of Phillipines based information, has more or less said this is a play upon words and that Efren and Busta have both in fact received their winnings cheques on 28 Sept but that the money will not clear for 30 days or so,therefore technically no-one is being untruthful in saying they "haven't been paid yet".

4. Bandido hints that one of the reasons why IPT would promptly send a cheque to Efren and not the others at this time is connected with the future support of Efren for the reshaped and possibly relocated IPT after it is bought by Asian interests.He therefore further hints by implication that Efren is therefore playing along with IPT's charade until his cheque clears and that this is why Efren hasn't so far came out in interviews and said in clarification "I've received my winnings cheque and it is expected to clear in 30 days".

5. Bandido is a little uncomfortable with this situation as he feels badly for the other players so he has given them these hints via the forums so that the other players can,as he puts it "run with the ball" i.e. can press IPT for their own payments by using the impetus of the information that Efren has been given a cheque nearly 10 days ago so why not them etc etc.

6. Some people nevertheless still think that Bandido's inside info is wrong and that Efren is in the same position as every other player i.e. sitting waiting for his cheque.


Personally I have no opinion,just trying to help by summarising for those who can't be bothered trawling through umpteen threads/posts or who have perhaps misunderstood some of the posts.Hope this helps;)


Bandido -- with the support of Linds -- has sent you all on a wild goose chase. Efren and Django, like all other players in the Reno IPT, have not received their checks for the Reno event. But they have all been at pains to cover up the controversy here in Manila because the IPT Reno tournament is currently being shown on TV. No one will bother to watch if the public gets the impression that it's just a scam.

Bandido compounded his piece of misinformation by talking about how long it takes to clear a check in the Philippines. This is crap. We're not living in the Stone Age. Checks don't take 45 days to clear. And if KT and IPT really have the money to pay, they won't be issuing checks to prizewinners in this day and age, they would be remitting the money by bank transfer.

Finally, the media here are not dumb. They will give this non-payment issue maybe two more weeks to resolve itself, hopefully for the better. If not, the story will break in all its gory details in the media here.
 
kidrock said:
Bandido,

Can you also speak for the other Filipinos (Marlon, Bebeng, Robocop et al) on this? Did they receive their checks or at least currently in the clearing?

Thanks!
Sorry but I don't "speak for" anybody. What was voluntarily shared was what was voluntarily passed on.
 
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bengus said:
Bandido compounded his piece of misinformation by talking about how long it takes to clear a check in the Philippines.
Ah, another one in the same league as King B. Trying to say that I was the one who started the "clearing time" number of days crap can be considered illiterate or with maliscious intent. Nice try for the twist DooDoo brain!
 
bengus said:
Bandido -- with the support of Linds -- has sent you all on a wild goose chase. Efren and Django, like all other players in the Reno IPT, have not received their checks for the Reno event. But they have all been at pains to cover up the controversy here in Manila because the IPT Reno tournament is currently being shown on TV. No one will bother to watch if the public gets the impression that it's just a scam.

Bandido compounded his piece of misinformation by talking about how long it takes to clear a check in the Philippines. This is crap. We're not living in the Stone Age. Checks don't take 45 days to clear. And if KT and IPT really have the money to pay, they won't be issuing checks to prizewinners in this day and age, they would be remitting the money by bank transfer.

Finally, the media here are not dumb. They will give this non-payment issue maybe two more weeks to resolve itself, hopefully for the better. If not, the story will break in all its gory details in the media here.

If what you are saying is accurate then you are saying that they, Efren and Django camp, were spreading misinformation about recieving the checks so that people in the Philippines will still be interested and amazed to want to watch their show. Then all the people that they shared this "check came in" info were just part of their big show to protect their TV rights investment. Apologies should be in order then.

That makes sense but also supports my attitude towards media here, politics and business manipulatable.

Thank You for verifying what really is going on. That was a pretty mean way of protecting investments.
 
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If 200 players are due money and you are intending to not pay one or more players because you can't afford it, you might as well pay none - the damage to your reputation is oign to be no greater or less if you pay some but not others.

Efren will not get paid unless the full wack gets paid out.
 
gopi-1 said:
The author of the article is one of Puyat's PR man and one of his trusted
lieutenants. I'm sure RN knows what's going on inside Efren and Busta's camp.
I'm confused. I know bandido, nbc and linds wouldn't spread gossips about the
checks but this article dated Oct. 7 is really conflicting...
You're right that we won't as it won't benefit us 1 tiny bit.

Who benefits?
If true then the info we passed on should benefit the other players that are expecting to recieve checks too.

If the info, about the cheques being recieved, was false then the TV rights holder benefits. Thanks to Bengus who opened up that angle of this story. I still don't get why they had to cover-up the "not recieving the checks" info, people here are avid followers of pool events. Is that really a cover-up targeted at viewers or advertisers?

Well bengus, your post conveys that you're frantically looking for sacrificial lambs yet you implicate yourself with the mention of the TV show as a reason for the guys needing to lie about recieving the cheques. Bad odor really seeps through cracks, don't it?

Na-ner, na-ner, na-ner:p :p :p..bengus, you blew your own ruse! Get someone smarter to post next time!
 
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memikey said:
In a nutshell Jay..............:)

1. Efren and his camp have said to the media before (and are still saying up to now) that he "hasn't been paid".

2. To 99.9% of the pool population this would normally be interpreted that he hasn't even received his cheque yet (i.e. same as all other players).

3. However Bandido,who is certainly connected in repect of Phillipines based information, has more or less said this is a play upon words and that Efren and Busta have both in fact received their winnings cheques on 28 Sept but that the money will not clear for 30 days or so,therefore technically no-one is being untruthful in saying they "haven't been paid yet".

4. Bandido hints that one of the reasons why IPT would promptly send a cheque to Efren and not the others at this time is connected with the future support of Efren for the reshaped and possibly relocated IPT after it is bought by Asian interests.He therefore further hints by implication that Efren is therefore playing along with IPT's charade until his cheque clears and that this is why Efren hasn't so far came out in interviews and said in clarification "I've received my winnings cheque and it is expected to clear in 30 days".

5. Bandido is a little uncomfortable with this situation as he feels badly for the other players so he has given them these hints via the forums so that the other players can,as he puts it "run with the ball" i.e. can press IPT for their own payments by using the impetus of the information that Efren has been given a cheque nearly 10 days ago so why not them etc etc.

6. Some people nevertheless still think that Bandido's inside info is wrong and that Efren is in the same position as every other player i.e. sitting waiting for his cheque.


Personally I have no opinion,just trying to help by summarising for those who can't be bothered trawling through umpteen threads/posts or who have perhaps misunderstood some of the posts.Hope this helps;)
Thank you for the help memikey. Just need to clarify some.

Item #3. I never mentioned a specific number of days for the checks to clear.

Item #4. Just my opinion/assessment of why cheques be issued to them and not the rest (as deduced from posts here). I'm just giving a lame analysis of the scenario. I apologize for this.

Item #5. Is right on the button. Truth that pertains to me personally: A healthy sport tows the industry with it and I'm part of the industry.

Item #6. The truth about the checks being recieved is besides the point in relation to me. The only truth that matters corcerning me is the info voluntarily shared to us by a person that's directly connected or even benefit from release of the checks. And the info was "the checks were recieved".
 
Spotlight's on you bengus!

It's your show now bengus since you stated knowledge of the deceit!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:



Why bengus anyway? benjamin? Bienvenido? Ruben? Gusman? Gustavio? Gusgusin?
 
Wow! Quite a few new registrants to the forums. I wonder who'll be the first to come to bengus' rescue?
 
bandido said:
You're right that we won't as it won't benefit us 1 tiny bit.

Who benefits?
If true then the info we passed on should benefit the other players that are expecting to recieve checks too.

If the info, about the cheques being recieved, was false then the TV rights holder benefits. Thanks to Bengus who opened up that angle of this story. I still don't get why they had to cover-up the "not recieving the checks" info, people here are avid followers of pool events. Is that really a cover-up targeted at viewers or advertisers?

Well bengus, your post conveys that you're frantically looking for sacrificial lambs yet you implicate yourself with the mention of the TV show as a reason for the guys needing to lie about recieving the cheques. Bad odor really seeps through cracks, don't it?

Na-ner, na-ner, na-ner:p :p :p..bengus, you blew your own ruse! Get someone smarter to post next time!



I don't buy that crap bengus was selling. It wouldn't affect the audience share of viewership,
specially if Efren is the featured player and to top it off, he even won it all. And I don't see a
period or even an RIP sign on the IPT yet, but they're surviving on fumes for sure!
 
Puyat pays the IPT.

Bandito, Linds and Gopi-1,
See the post by Recovery Jones about Puyat Sports paying the IPt for the rights to air Efren's play at the IPT.
 
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