Efren Reyes fluke 9 ball against Appleton 2012 US Open
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I've heard that for some players, luck itself is an art.
Luck is a product of design. Sometimes subliminal, but no the less a product of design. Efren is the master designer.
Take a look at this cleaner version. If i was not appleton that efren shook hands with immediately after the match, then who was it? Daz was the only one near him.
You think Efren would have complained if it was the other way around? Why not be a good sport instead of sour graping?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSe6troPrzg&feature=youtu.be
In this video it is clear that the first handshake is with Appleton.
exactly, thats what i saw initially as well
Darren broke a wide open rack hill hill and missed the one. If he did what he was doing the whole match and just ran out Efren would have never left his chair.
Anything that happens after that miss can not be complained about. He had a clear chance to win and he missed. He usually doesn't miss but he did this time and it cost him the match.
Lesson # 1 when you have a chance to finish off a great player make sure you do it.
Anything that happens after that miss can not be complained about. He had a clear chance to win and he missed. He usually doesn't miss but he did this time and it cost him the match.
Lesson # 1 when you have a chance to finish off a great player make sure you do it.
How'd Efren get there
Does anyone know how Efren got into that position on the 4 ball? Did he hook himself, or had Darren just played safe on him to leave him there?
Does anyone know how Efren got into that position on the 4 ball? Did he hook himself, or had Darren just played safe on him to leave him there?
darren was playing safe but got lucky with that safety. he pointed out that he meant to do something else.
Yes it is. Very clear. Congrats again to Efren. I hope he wins the whole thing.
Thats exactly why I dont like 9 ball . Slop pool !! Jim
Darren played a safety, softly cutting the 4-ball to the right. The 4-ball and the cue ball (glancing off the left long rail) wound up on opposite sides of the 9-ball but not exactly where Darren originally intended. [Darren showed after his shot that he meant to put the 4-ball in the center of the foot rail].
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Registered on the forum just to say this is the best slap in the face to appleton fanboys :grin:
You think Efren would have complained if it was the other way around? Why not be a good sport instead of sour graping?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSe6troPrzg&feature=youtu.be
Ok, check out Efren lining up the shot with his cue. His left hand points to a spot inside the first diamond. Then it looks like he's picking a spot on the end rail (pointing with his cue). It's really not too farfetched that Efren was playing this shot. Someone needs to ask him about it. I don't think he would have been doing those things if he were trying to kick the 4 in, or kick the 4 into the 9 and into the side. Efren is downright spooky, he just might have been playing this shot.
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My opinion on all of this is as follows. First of all it was a great match, one of the best I've ever had the pleasure of watching. Second, he may have lucked the nine, maybe not, as pointed out he pointed at a point near the corner pocket that in my opinion he was trying to either make the nine in the side or use it to redirect the 4 so he could hide the cue ball and be safe. Which he accomplished.
Now as for the celebration. Good for Efren! He's a 58 yr old man that still has the passion to show his excitement over beating the 2 time defending champ hill-hill. I didn't see anything unsportsmanlike, if you feel different too bad for you. Golf is considered the most gentlemanly sport and I've seen golfers celebrate way more then that after sinking a difficult putt or lucking in a hole in one, and alot of those didn't win anything. Nobody calls them bad sports. Efren won, take your panties off ladies and put on your big boy undies. What do you guys want? Robots who show no emotion? That's why pool has no mass appeal it's boring to the casual fan. What Efren did was exciting. I watched it live and I jumped around screaming and celebrating.
Lastly, the arguement about luck, slop, whatever you want to call it. That areguement is lame. Everyone plays by the same rules. Darren, on the shot that hooked Efren was luck, he wasn't trying to do that. You complaining about that? People complain, "Oh I don't like 9 ball it's a slop game" if you lose in a race to 11 the "slop" had little to do with it. The guy outplayed you throughout the match. Period.
Now as for the celebration. Good for Efren! He's a 58 yr old man that still has the passion to show his excitement over beating the 2 time defending champ hill-hill. I didn't see anything unsportsmanlike, if you feel different too bad for you. Golf is considered the most gentlemanly sport and I've seen golfers celebrate way more then that after sinking a difficult putt or lucking in a hole in one, and alot of those didn't win anything. Nobody calls them bad sports. Efren won, take your panties off ladies and put on your big boy undies. What do you guys want? Robots who show no emotion? That's why pool has no mass appeal it's boring to the casual fan. What Efren did was exciting. I watched it live and I jumped around screaming and celebrating.
Lastly, the arguement about luck, slop, whatever you want to call it. That areguement is lame. Everyone plays by the same rules. Darren, on the shot that hooked Efren was luck, he wasn't trying to do that. You complaining about that? People complain, "Oh I don't like 9 ball it's a slop game" if you lose in a race to 11 the "slop" had little to do with it. The guy outplayed you throughout the match. Period.
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hill hill, I don't think that qualifies as being outplayed for the whole match.
I said throughout, which Efren did otherwise he wouldn't have gotten to the finish line first. And I was speaking in more general terms, if you lose a match I guarantee you the guy didn't luck himself to the victory.
Okay let me understand this math, both players have won ten games each he is hooked on the 4th ball of the last game and flukes the 9 and by your definition he outplayed his opponent through out the match.
Can you do my tax returns for me next year please.
he was trying to kick bank it not play a billion to one kick bank three rail kick combination.
Kick bank it? What, kick the 4 into the nine and on into the side? Why line up the cuestick to the rail he did preshot? Why point at a spot on the rail next to him. That makes no sense to me. No way efren hit the 4 ball on the wrong side, just don't buy it.
No, he meant, kick at the 4 and bank the 4 off the rail into the opposite pocket. Look at the video and see how he lines up from his nearest rail into the opposite pocket ... that was the intended path of the 4 ball. He hit it hard so that the cue ball would head uptown. The 9-ball falling was a fluke albeit a welcome one to many of us. And you are right, he usually doesn't hit the wrong side of a ball after a kick ... especially that close.
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