Jay
Just to be clear, when you talk about the hand that feed you, do you mean the players vs the managers or Ian Anderson vs Makabenta? Your comment can relate to both of them - the way you write it.
Efren Reyes NOT allowed to play the Qatar 9-ball Open by the WPA
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Jay
Just to be clear, when you talk about the hand that feed you, do you mean the players vs the managers or Ian Anderson vs Makabenta? Your comment can relate to both of them - the way you write it.
Well, it "seems" as if the one that is recognized and listed on the Phillipine Olympic Committee's website should be the one that is official. However things are never as they seem with all the accusations that the POC has acted outside it's boundaries to "force" an election which was held without the presence of the "former" officers of the BSCP.
One should ask - in fact one will ask - the WPA president about this and inquire as to what criteria a national organization must fulfill in order to be officially recognized as the national member of the WPA.
What has transpired in court over these issues of two groups claiming to hold the power of the BSCP? Who has the charter? Who holds the banks accounts of the BSCP? What is the APBU's official position here?
According to Ian Anderson when the WPA had to make a decision as to "which" BSCP to recognize they went with some court decision that supposedly invalidated the election that was held where Ilagan was elected as president. I don't know at this point what court decision he is referring to but he has said that whatever group prevails in court will be recognized by the WPA.
Now, having said that we are back to MONEY.
If you are the WPA and you have an upcoming event, the first on your calendar billed as a "world tour" event, then you certainly have to think twice before you discredit the organization and people you have worked with three years in a row on three major events in the face of what seemed like a coup election held without the officers of the existing organization present. In the WPA's position, they don't know know WHO is in the right so better to play it safe and continue working with the ones you know. Not to say that the WPA wasn't looking at the sanctioning fee and wanting to insure that the event was held at all. I am sure that this played a major part in it.
The thing is that the players were told by the WPA that ALL THEY HAD TO DO was be a member in good standing of the BSCP, that the WPA recognized. This is the interim solution that the WPA came up with. All they had to do was sign the form, pay the dues and be a member. Not capitulate. Ian Anderson has told me that the WPA wasn't going to stand for any shenanigans - we can't know if that is true or not now since the BMPAP didn't allow their players to retain their BSCP membership officially to satsify the WPA.
That's what this is all about. The WPA held open the door for the players to be able to play.
I will say this. The fact that the WPA IS tied up with the promoters who also HAPPEN to be officers in the governing body stinks. It is a conflict of interest when the governing body is also the promoter. Unfortunately this is standard fare in pool. I think it puts the WPA in a bad position as the sanctioning body to be embroiled with a national member through the promotional company of the Chairman of that national member.
And this is what I mean about there being far more to the situation that most of realize. Especially those of us who outside and far away. I brought you some of Ian Anderson's perspective. Perhaps with time and shining a brighter light on all of this there can finally be some resolution.
I hope that this is the last year with such conflict in the billiard industry.
Frankly I don't understand why a bunch of otherwise intelligent people can't figure it out. And I don't mean just as relates to the Philippine situation.
I think it really blows that Efren and any great player has to miss paydays due to politics.
I reread this whole thread http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=136995
It seems pretty cut and dried based on this thread that by the WPA's April 5th deadline they should have recognized the newly elected board of the BSCP and allowed them to nominate players for WPA events.
I think that if I were the duly elected BSCP board then I would notify the APBU and the WPA that they are facing a lawsuit if they continue to allow the old board to function as if they are the official governing body.
I am not sure how one would go about suing the APBU/WPA but that would be high on my agenda to find out.
I will be sending an email to Ian to find out his take on this timeline. It seems as if the BMPAP won the preliminary rounds and should be awarded the recognition and subsequent right to nominate players to international events.
It seems pretty cut and dried based on this thread that by the WPA's April 5th deadline they should have recognized the newly elected board of the BSCP and allowed them to nominate players for WPA events.
I think that if I were the duly elected BSCP board then I would notify the APBU and the WPA that they are facing a lawsuit if they continue to allow the old board to function as if they are the official governing body.
I am not sure how one would go about suing the APBU/WPA but that would be high on my agenda to find out.
I will be sending an email to Ian to find out his take on this timeline. It seems as if the BMPAP won the preliminary rounds and should be awarded the recognition and subsequent right to nominate players to international events.
John you're back and bang on the money now!
Now you are talking John
. See, its good sometimes to discuss with yourself - great things can be achieved!Now you are talking John
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They're not missing too much. i've been to qatar and it's probably one of the worst places in the world anyone could choose to go. it's a lot like iraq with less bombing/shooting.
on a side not if you have dough (cash) it's not a horrible pace to go (like tijuana) the nice places are nice and the pool places are extremely bad. it's like things are either freezing cold or boiling hot. if i had dough i'd vacation there. that's mostly because i dig food from the middle east and places that're hot as hel1 (but a dry heat)
no joke i live in nor cal (meaning i'm used to an unusually hot/sunny climate) and it felt like my eyes got sunburnt
Yep,theres something wrong when the BEST pool players in the world cant enter a pool tournament.
if you ain't tellin the truth nobody's ever told the truth!
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=143962
Also... I think you'll recognize this thread John ... http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=144651
Before the #1 BSCP was elected, the people who are with #2 BSCP filed for a TRO, which was rejected, hence the #1 BSCP continued it's election with POC supervision.
#2 BSCP filed another TRO and was granted one per above links.
and the story continues...
Also... I think you'll recognize this thread John ... http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=144651
Before the #1 BSCP was elected, the people who are with #2 BSCP filed for a TRO, which was rejected, hence the #1 BSCP continued it's election with POC supervision.
#2 BSCP filed another TRO and was granted one per above links.
and the story continues...