Was this in the 60's? I played some Baxter tour tournaments in the 80's and Mike was far from ever being a favorite in one of these tournaments. I think he finished top 5 in a couple. I know Mike was a good player many years ago, but was never a top tier player and was the underdog to shortstops in the 80's.
Eligibility for Super Seniors/ Vegas(2015?)
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Was this in the 60's? I played some Baxter tour tournaments in the 80's and Mike was far from ever being a favorite in one of these tournaments. I think he finished top 5 in a couple. I know Mike was a good player many years ago, but was never a top tier player and was the underdog to shortstops in the 80's.
He was here' stayed for a couple weeks then left for Vegas, he always tries 100% on most every shot....he called and said he had two hill/hill matches and was jovial. He's definitely beatable, but like many can play very good at times. Didn't beat him in three cushion, NO chance there.
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Super Senior Rules Spelled Out In Press Release
I apologize to the BCAPL for I must not have thoroughly read all of the press releases.
CSI/BCAPL PRESS RELEASE DATED MAY 16, 2014
SENIOR SINGLES DIVISIONS
Last year, senior aged Advanced players (55+ for men, 50+ for women) were allowed to participate in the Senior Singles Divisions and give a one game spot. After reviewing the results and the feedback, we have decided to return to the previous eligibility criteria and not allow Advanced level players to participate in the Senior divisions. There will be no changes to the Men’s Super Seniors Singles. All players 65 years and older are allowed to play in that division regardless of ranking.
However, I still think that details such as what levels of players are eligible to play in a tournament should be in black and white on the entry form.
I apologize to the BCAPL for I must not have thoroughly read all of the press releases.
CSI/BCAPL PRESS RELEASE DATED MAY 16, 2014
SENIOR SINGLES DIVISIONS
Last year, senior aged Advanced players (55+ for men, 50+ for women) were allowed to participate in the Senior Singles Divisions and give a one game spot. After reviewing the results and the feedback, we have decided to return to the previous eligibility criteria and not allow Advanced level players to participate in the Senior divisions. There will be no changes to the Men’s Super Seniors Singles. All players 65 years and older are allowed to play in that division regardless of ranking.
However, I still think that details such as what levels of players are eligible to play in a tournament should be in black and white on the entry form.
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It matters not, a pro pool player is still going to be way ahead of the curve on amateur pool players just because they played at such a high level, their mental game is still sharper, and they know the patterns better.
It's unfair to now penalize amateurs because they hit a certain age. So, suddenly, competing and staying with pool for so many years, they are now being told, sorry, you have to compete with the pro's now ??
Heck, if this is the case, let the older pro's compete in the non senior divisions, and see what happens !!!!
I have a guy on my team that is 70, former top amateur and Grand Master that many will argue played pro speed in his younger days, and still can compete with all the younger amateur Master and Grand master players, why is that you suppose? He can't get much action either around town either, he's known, and still shoots that strong. His pattern play is nothing less than perfect in 8 ball.
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Mike won 23 major tournaments going into the late 1990's....He won the straight pool tournament, (14.1) in 1993 in Amsterdam.....His biggest money win in these 23 wins was $30,000.....And trick shots events not included....
He still competes in tour stops from time to time...
He still competes in tour stops from time to time...
Abruzzo has run 240 balls in 14.1 in his youth. Mikes never run that many balls.
Tell Mike to his face he hasn't run that many balls when you see him in Vegas or wherever..
Bill,
John put me out of the SS event. He kept telling how he hadn't played for nearly five years. He's sometimes hard to watch because of his stroke and post shot mechanzations. Still, he played near perfect against me. He then lost to Jim Blakeman who lost to Mike Massey in the finals. The cream does rise to the top!!!!
Lyn
Ok, that is exactly who I was speaking about. John plays on my Thurs night team. Yes, funky stroke, but man, the patterns are always right on. Oh, yeah, he always tells people he has not played in years, meanwhile folks see him playing everywhere still. The old hustler in him just won't go away
The problem I have is that if they do it to super seniors then why not all divisions. The seniors division went back to previous rule of no advanced or masters. I just can't understand the reasoning behind this and allowing anyone to play in the super seniors even up. Does anyone disagree with the linear scale of ability from 25 to 65. All of our ability decreases with age. The question is does the pros decrease worse than an amateur, I don't think so. Why don't they just start a seniors or super seniors for pro's.
Call me Mr. obvious, but pool should be called the "Sport of Ambiguity". There are numerous leagues with different rules and even within those leagues, ambiguous rules. What's so freaking difficult about creating a detailed manual of rules that would clearly cover 99%+ of the situations that could be encountered? This ambiguity clearly created a shitstorm in the recent CSI event involving Ralf forfeiting and SVB being inserted in his place.
If the governing bodies can't create a clear rule book, why expect them to clearly define player status? How difficult would it be to define what a professional, grand master, master, etc. is and what each division allows?
IMHO, this ambiguity is one of the biggest problems pool has and clearly leads to arguments and problems galore. Until this is fixed, it will be a disaster waiting to happen and unchecked chaos. Pathetic.
If the governing bodies can't create a clear rule book, why expect them to clearly define player status? How difficult would it be to define what a professional, grand master, master, etc. is and what each division allows?
IMHO, this ambiguity is one of the biggest problems pool has and clearly leads to arguments and problems galore. Until this is fixed, it will be a disaster waiting to happen and unchecked chaos. Pathetic.
Mike Massey is playing in the 39th US Open....Just saying..
Mike Massey is playing in the 39th US Open....Just saying..
As I know is, Mike was put in, and called me the following week to let me know he won, he was surprised. Mike probably was also put in to the US Open event, and may be working there to pay his way (I would be Surprised
VERY if Mike paid his way in). I would be surprised if Mike win's more than one match, as we have played allot Here in the past year and his game is not ready or will it ever be again for the current skill level at the open.How a about a Super Senior pro division?
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As I know it, Mike was put in, and called me the following week to let me know he won, he was surprised. Mike probably was also put in to the US Open event, and may be working there to pay his way (I would be Surprised
How a about a Super Senior pro division?
We have already changed the criteria for the Men's Super Singles. Advanced, Master and Grand Master players will no longer be allowed to play in that division in 2015.
Bill S.
Bill, how about the old timers that are in that category but don't play at those levels anymore? Guys like me.
A completely new division was my thoughts, super senior pros over 65.......and if your an amateur over 65, you also are able to join in, if you choose too.
Do you mean old timers like you that still run out every time you go to the table?