English and how it affects the CB and OB

[Cornerman]

thank you all for all of the explanations. it all makes perfect sense now. several of you advised not hitting english shots unless it is absolutely necessary for position.

I've always thought that people who say this are nutz. Of course you should hit with english. The more you use it, the more you'll imbed in your brain how it works and how to adjust. If you don't use english a lot, you'll resign yourself to a world of mediocrity.

however, i see the pros hitting draw shots with left or right english all of the time...is it because they are so good that they can make these shots without effort? should i not bother with these types of shots until my game is at a near-pro level? would love to hear your thoughts on this.

thanks for all of the knowledge!

And here is the conundrum of the ill-fated advise. You will never attain any high degree of playing without "bothering with these type of shots." You MUST try to conquer english. I get more and more amazed when anyone with any degree of ability would suggest otherwise.

This game is nothing without the use of english.

Fred

 

[LastTwo]

I've always thought that people who say this are nutz. Of course you should hit with english. The more you use it, the more you'll imbed in your brain how it works and how to adjust. If you don't use english a lot, you'll resign yourself to a world of mediocrity.



And here is the conundrum of the ill-fated advise. You will never attain any high degree of playing without "bothering with these type of shots." You MUST try to conquer english. I get more and more amazed when anyone with any degree of ability would suggest otherwise.

This game is nothing without the use of english.

Fred

I completely agree. Anyone that says you must stick to the center axis unless absoloutely necessary is wrong. The pros run out so consistently because they use sidespin often to help them get closer to their shots. The difference is that the pros know when to use english for optimum position and when to use centerball for optimum position. If you try to follow the centerball rule of thumb, often you will be leaving yourself long distance shots. I think the main problem with sidespin and alot of players is they use it too much, like often I see someone use sidespin when centerball would have gotten them perfect shape, and instead they overrun their position, etc. But to know when and when not to use english, you must use it first to become familiar with all the options you have.

 

[Bob Jewett]

... Of course you should hit with english. The more you use it, the more you'll imbed in your brain how it works and how to adjust. If you don't use english a lot, you'll resign yourself to a world of mediocrity.
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This game is nothing without the use of english. ...

I suppose you could get by through most of straight pool if you used only follow and draw and your speed was perfect. Some bank pool players seem to use very little side.

I think it is more or less impossible to play nine ball, eight ball, one pocket and any carom game without the use of side, unless you choose not to progress past "C" player status.

 

[Colin Colenso]

However, when I played the shot to make it as Colin showed it and used spin both shots pocketed but the CB did curve a little.

Hi Pete,
In the shots I diagrammed, lets take the one using right english, which brings the OB back at a straighter angle, as an example.

If the CB curved, it would be curving left to right...correct? And shouldn't a left to right curve impart a touch of right english on the OB according to your theory?

But the OB straightens off the rail with a touch of left english.
Colin

 

[Nico]

Hi Pete,
In the shots I diagrammed, lets take the one using right english, which brings the OB back at a straighter angle, as an example.

If the CB curved, it would be curving left to right...correct? And shouldn't a left to right curve impart a touch of right english on the OB according to your theory?

But the OB straightens off the rail with a touch of left english.
Colin

Colin, someone just posted this thread with slo-motion video showing the CB and OB interacting with each other. One of the slo-mo videos shows "transferred side" on a straight shot. As we have both been saying, the cueball does in fact transfer spin to the Object ball.

Also note with the top spin slo-mo video, that the object ball picks up a little back-spin as was discussed earleir in this thread.