European Championships Dwarfs Any Pool Event in US

ChrisinNC

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I just checked out the website for the 2018 European Championships currently taking place in Veldhoven, Netherlands, from July 19-31 - 13 days! The venue has 60 Rasson 9-foot tables set up. Events include separate 8-ball, 9-ball, 10-ball and 14.1 tournaments in 9 different classifications for entrants from pupils, youth, girls, juniors, men, women, ladies, seniors, wheelchair and team divisions - a total of 38 separate tournaments! The website by itself is quite impressive - keeping up-to-date brackets and results of all matches in all divisions. They've also posted countless awesome photos of the players in action.

I assume many players are able to play in a various number of events. Whether the $110 Euro entry fee (nearly $130 US) gets them in to multiple events or they have to pay that entry fee for each event they enter, I have no idea.

Also, it appears that all matches in all divisions have certified referees overseeing each and every match - that is a minimum of 60 referees just to cover the 60 matches going on at once, so likely 100+ total referees working this event. Whether as volunteers or they are paid, I have no clue but maybe someone here knows?

Many of the top ranked European professional players in the world are participating in this event, mingling with and encouraging all other competitors down to the pupils, which is awesome. It's quite obvious the US has nothing even remotely close to compare to this kind of all encompassing event for all age groups, in all the major pool disciplines, with the exception of one-pocket. Derby City and the Super Billiards Expo are the only two I can think of, but both still pale in comparison to the magnitude of this event. If there was an event comparable to this in the US every year, I would be there, albeit maybe not for 13 days.

This opens my eyes as to one reason why the Europeans have been dominating the Mosconi Cup over recent years. They clearly take their pool very seriously, and the EPBF (European Pocket Billiard Federation) appears to have their act together in ways that should be very envious to those of here in the US that love this sport, but feel it's been dying a slow death for quite a while now.

The only exception to that statement being pool leagues, which do seem to be very popular here in the US. Sadly, I personally don't feel that pool excellence and striving to become the very best player you can be is the goal or the result of most pool leagues - just my opinion.
 
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Sleepy, Dopey, Grumpy, Bashful, Sneezy, Happy and Doc. Disney dwarfs.

You ever hear of the BCA Nationals ?
 
Sleepy, Dopey, Grumpy, Bashful, Sneezy, Happy and Doc. Disney dwarfs.

You ever hear of the BCA Nationals ?
9 different classifications of players, playing in a total of 38 different tournaments, all held in one venue on 9-foot tables with all matches refereed? I could be wrong, but don't think so.
 
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It is not the existence of the European Championships that is remarkable. There is no prize money paid to the competitors -- they play for the titles only.
What's remarkable about the European Championships is the participation. Of course, many of the players have their expenses paid by the Olympic organizations of their respective countries, and some may even get payments from their Olympic organizations for being successful, but the majority play on their own dime with little chance of prize money.

In America, if a similar event offering no prize money were staged, the top players wouldn't show up.
 
Yeah.. I feel fortunate to be living in Germany right now, where pool is still serious business. My team just won the Bezirksliga division and got promoted to the Landesliga.. I actually wanted to jump up to Verbandsliga, but once again, this year, there were no spots.

I am moving to a new place soon and will be buying a 9 foot Clash Steel II. It's a Gabriel sub-brand.. Looks like the old Diamond home model. Hope it plays like a Diamond when all is said and done.

Short Bus Russ
 
There is no prize money paid to the competitors -- they play for the titles only.
I think, that this is not 100% true.
Yes, European players have a different approach to titles and many of them play for the achievement or are just honored to take part in such an event. This is especially true for the youth and senior players.

But you have to realize, that for the pros, medals and titles open the door to the things you mentioned, like fundings, sponsors and media attention.
So this titles help the players to get a steady income and therefore are much more important than prize money wins.

The best example for this is Jasmin Ouschan, who is by now more a brand name than just a pool player. She is able to create huge media and sponsor attention with her European titles, also because the broad puplic doesn`t really know much about women's pool and can`t value the standard at an EC compared to the Asian women or players like Corr, the Fishers, Gerda etc.
 
9 different classifications of players, playing in a total of 38 different tournaments, all held in one venue on 9-foot tables with all matches refereed? I could be wrong, but don't think so.

Yes you are wrong:p:thumbup: Well except for one thing - not every match has its own referee,there are so called "area referees" where one referee oversees 8 tables. And if there is any potential problem at the table (jump shot,kickshot in the cluster etc.) any player can call to stop the match to call that referee for that particular table to oversee that situation. As for the racking - tables are tapped with the template so no issue there ;)
 
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Chris, I spoke to Thorsten the other day about this event. The entry fee is per event.

I assume many players are able to play in a various number of events. Whether the $110 Euro entry fee (nearly $130 US) gets them in to multiple events or they have to pay that entry fee for each event they enter, I have no idea.
 
Toss in streaming of all 60 tables. There is nothing even close to that in the states.
 
Toss in streaming of all 60 tables. There is nothing even close to that in the states.

It is not just streaming, I as a player have my Kozoom account paired with the vids of all my past matches so I can watch any of that matches again and again to study my mistakes or enjoy my good shots ;)
 
Sleepy, Dopey, Grumpy, Bashful, Sneezy, Happy and Doc. Disney dwarfs.

You ever hear of the BCA Nationals ?

I just got home from Vegas, my first time at that tournament. If you have never been there, it’s pretty incredible. I didn’t count, but there are maybe 200 tables, several singles, doubles, and team divisions. Mini tournaments run all day, chip tournaments at night (I played against Thorsten in one of them), dozens of vendors, and probably more that I’m forgetting.

Pretty cool.
 
Chris, I spoke to Thorsten the other day about this event. The entry fee is per event.
OK, thanks. Just curious as for instance a senior player like myself, who wanted to play in all 4 discipline tournaments - 8,9,10, and 14.1. If I chose to do that, I'd have to pay $110 Euro x 4 = $440 Euro?

Curious if it's possible to do that, or what happens if you are called to a table for your match and you're still playing a match in another discipline? I assume maybe since this event is spread out over 13 days, that they attempt to space out the different events to make it possible for someone to compete in all disciplines they are eligible for?
 
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OK, thanks. Just curious as for instance a senior player like myself, who wanted to play in all 4 discipline tournaments - 8,9,10, and 14.1. If I chose to do that, I'd have to pay $110 Euro x 4 = $440 Euro?

Curious if it's possible to do that, or what happens if you are called to a table for your match and you're still playing a match in another discipline? I assume maybe since this event is spread out over 13 days, that they attempt to space out the different events to make it possible for someone to compete in all disciplines they are eligible for?

Yes, you would have to pay 440 EUR to play 4 diciplines. Some countries send their players with all expenses paid, some sponsors part of it, and some players unforunately has to pay everything themselves - the financial ability in the national federations vary a lot.

You will never be called to next match when your current match is ongoing, so no risk of unvoluntary forfeit.

As long as you have a passport from one of the nations in Europe, and your federation nominates you, you are good to go. The last part can be tricky though :-)
 
Finland Billiard Federation get small cut(or big) from every official tournament here in Finland. That money is spent to send players to European Champs etc.. 5(men) best ranked players get spot expenses covered. Women,Juniors, Seniors, Pupils and wheelchair too(maybe top three or 2). Dunno how many seniors get free spot because this year so many in there. Probably 3 :D
 
Yes, you would have to pay 440 EUR to play 4 diciplines. Some countries send their players with all expenses paid, some sponsors part of it, and some players unforunately has to pay everything themselves - the financial ability in the national federations vary a lot.

You will never be called to next match when your current match is ongoing, so no risk of unvoluntary forfeit.

As long as you have a passport from one of the nations in Europe, and your federation nominates you, you are good to go. The last part can be tricky though :-)
That's really nice that they will wait if a player is playing in another match. So could a US citizen, if they had the proper passport and willing to pay all their expenses including entry fees, be eligible to play in this event?

I'm just glad to see that Mike and the AZBilliards team is giving this event the recognition it truly deserves, with daily updates on the home page news.
 
That's really nice that they will wait if a player is playing in another match. So could a US citizen, if they had the proper passport and willing to pay all their expenses including entry fees, be eligible to play in this event?

No,thats only part of the equation,you still need to be nominated by your national federation to play at EC.
 
No,thats only part of the equation,you still need to be nominated by your national federation to play at EC.
Just curious - How exactly does a player go about getting nominated by their country's federation? Is it the result of playing in and getting high enough finishes in certain tournaments or leagues held in their country, or what?
 
I just got home from Vegas, my first time at that tournament. If you have never been there, it’s pretty incredible. I didn’t count, but there are maybe 200 tables, several singles, doubles, and team divisions. Mini tournaments run all day, chip tournaments at night (I played against Thorsten in one of them), dozens of vendors, and probably more that I’m forgetting.

Pretty cool.

Bar boxes though.
Jason
 
I just checked out the website for the 2018 European Championships currently taking place in Veldhoven, Netherlands, from July 19-31 - 13 days! The venue has 60 Rasson 9-foot tables set up. Events include separate 8-ball, 9-ball, 10-ball and 14.1 tournaments in 9 different classifications for entrants from pupils, youth, girls, juniors, men, women, ladies, seniors, wheelchair and team divisions - a total of 38 separate tournaments! The website by itself is quite impressive - keeping up-to-date brackets and results of all matches in all divisions. They've also posted countless awesome photos of the players in action.

I assume many players are able to play in a various number of events. Whether the $110 Euro entry fee (nearly $130 US) gets them in to multiple events or they have to pay that entry fee for each event they enter, I have no idea.

Also, it appears that all matches in all divisions have certified referees overseeing each and every match - that is a minimum of 60 referees just to cover the 60 matches going on at once, so likely 100+ total referees working this event. Whether as volunteers or they are paid, I have no clue but maybe someone here knows?

Many of the top ranked European professional players in the world are participating in this event, mingling with and encouraging all other competitors down to the pupils, which is awesome. It's quite obvious the US has nothing even remotely close to compare to this kind of all encompassing event for all age groups, in all the major pool disciplines, with the exception of one-pocket. Derby City and the Super Billiards Expo are the only two I can think of, but both still pale in comparison to the magnitude of this event. If there was an event comparable to this in the US every year, I would be there, albeit maybe not for 13 days.

This opens my eyes as to one reason why the Europeans have been dominating the Mosconi Cup over recent years. They clearly take their pool very seriously, and the EPBF (European Pocket Billiard Federation) appears to have their act together in ways that should be very envious to those of here in the US that love this sport, but feel it's been dying a slow death for quite a while now.

The only exception to that statement being pool leagues, which do seem to be very popular here in the US. Sadly, I personally don't feel that pool excellence and striving to become the very best player you can be is the goal or the result of most pool leagues - just my opinion.


Thanks for the info, Chris. Here is the site link if anyone is interested. This really does look like something that has NEVER happened here in the US, unfortunately. Or, at least, anything *I'VE* ever heard of.

https://europeanpoolchampionships.eu/
 
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