Evolution Billiards - HONEST INFO NEEDED

lamar25 said:
Hey Mike,
Sorry but, I do not like what I see at www.evolutionsbilliards.com
MJ, Would you please give these guys a helping hand?
1st: Why 500 players vs 512 players (an even bracket)?
2nd: Purse increased from $172,000 to $237,150 ?
3rd: Payout list revised from 50th position to 500th position?
4th: The 500th position was shown to win $150, & then, within a mater of hours, was decreased to $100?
5th: Free entry list deleted from web site?

Mike J, these are just some of the things that bug me about this event. "PLEASE GIVE THEM A HELPING HAND".

"Have A Nice Day",
Lamar
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Lamar, I was supposed to have a meeting with Michael from Evolution last Saturday (December 17th) during one of my events in the Chicago area but he never showed up or even called.

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For now, I believe this thread covers most aspects of what is thought of Evolution Billiards. To get an insight on how someone in the billiard business feels read posts #84, #86 and #89.

I'm outta here !

Mj
 
I heard from several local players last night that they still have not received their monies back. Several of them have paid their membership and entry fees through the payment company that was on the website. Supposively this payment company is like PayPal. I want to say the name of it is Aviatiar or something like that I cant remember what they told me last night.

Anyone else who paid through this avenue can you help me out with the company name so I may investigate how to go about a refund process for the local players here. I would appreciate it.

Jennifer;)
 
To All~

I am starting a file on people who have paid this guy. Please sene me any info that you may have regarding this guy and any monies that you may of paid him.
 
Question for you

Where are all of players that these two are looking for?
Could it be they can't find any?
If this was some plan to scam money why did we give out all entries for free? And told most people to come to the first event before they join the tour to see if this is something they are interested in before they pay their tour Fee of $100?

Oh wait I just figured out the scam I don’t charge any thing and let the players win over $200,000 in aurora. How stupid of me! You caught me!
Oh wait is this one of those scams were I payout 4 million dollars and then turn around and rip off everybody by charging $100 per year to play. The only problem is you hurt the players not EB or you!

The only people that would have been hurt by our tour are other tours that might lose some turn out. Don’t you run some events?

I figure the two main reasons you two are so pissed off
1. I wouldn't pay you or allow you to be part of the tour
2. You need a really good??
Between Eydie trashing every one in the industry from Mike Janis to probably you! And Jennifer that does not like that we did not follow the proper channels and grease the right pockets? Sorry Ms. Gotti

Let’s be honest lady’s everyone knows I am not from the industry but I bet the players don’t care! They wanted to bring their game and get paid by a person from outside the industry.

If everyone looked at Eydie first message she stated she has seen some financials and verified via phone a player I wanted to sponsor! But as soon as I did not want to pay her until I got some feed back she starting trashing us!

Our tour will not be back any time soon unless someone can put together a board or website that rates people on honest player feedback so the industry can get rid of or at least separate the individuals that are holding back billiards.
 
Below is a post from Michael Crawhorn, falsely representing himself as a paying competitor in his own tournament, under the name of 'Thequartermile' here on this forum a while back.

This gives a clear insight into the manipulative methods of this character.
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thequartermile
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10


Title: Fox and Hound Silver Cup this is not fair for the players that paid


There is a link on there website saying the first person from each state will get free entry into this tournament and the World Series of Billiards. I don't know how many of you signed up but that make me mad!! I paid $500 to play in the tournament they should give the paid entry's something. It like when you work to get your first used car and then that kid in school gets the brand new one for free from his parents.
 
Bad decision

Bad decision I made to generate feedback and interest. I should have been like KT and have his players do the posting.
 
Colin Colenso said:
Below is a post from Michael Crawhorn, falsely representing himself as a paying competitor in his own tournament, under the name of 'Thequartermile' here on this forum a while back.

This gives a clear insight into the manipulative methods of this character.
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thequartermile
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10


Title: Fox and Hound Silver Cup this is not fair for the players that paid


There is a link on there website saying the first person from each state will get free entry into this tournament and the World Series of Billiards. I don't know how many of you signed up but that make me mad!! I paid $500 to play in the tournament they should give the paid entry's something. It like when you work to get your first used car and then that kid in school gets the brand new one for free from his parents.
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Well, if Dr Phil does any shows on multiple personalities, we have our man!
 
Re-read the first page of this thread. I still can't stop laughing.


BTW, Eydie in another thread I asked you some questions about the Windy City Open and you just ignored me. Strange. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
 
Michael Crawhorn ~ If that is really your name, this is what I think of you.. In my opinion you are a sociopath. These are the definitions of a sociopath.

Glibness/Superficial Charm
Language can be used without effort by them to confuse and convince their audience. Captivating storytellers that exude self-confidence, they can spin a web that intrigues others. Since they are persuasive, they have the capacity to destroy their critics verbally or emotionally.


Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." Craves adulation and attendance. Must be the center of attention with their own fantasies as the "spokesman for God," "enlightened," "leader of humankind," etc. Creates an us-versus-them mentality

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and able to pass lie detector tests.
Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.




Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge, yet testing the beliefs of their followers with bizarre rules, punishments and behaviors. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal.


Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. Their skills are used to exploit, abuse and exert power. Since the follower cannot believe their leader would callously hurt them, they rationalize the behavior as necessary for their (or the group's) own "good" and deny the abuse. When devotees become aware of the exploitation it feels like a "spiritual rape" to them.


Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.



Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blame their followers or others outside their group. Blame reinforces passivity and obedience and produces guilt, shame, terror and conformity in the followers.


Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image and that of the group as needed to avoid prosecution and to increase income and to recruit a range of members. Is able to adapt or relocate as needed to preserve the group. Can resurface later with a new name, a new front group and a new twist on the scam.

In addition to this, the paperwork that you showed me was done on a copier, it was not factual paperwork from a financial company.

I can assure you Mr. Crawhorn, I am in contact with the District Attorney's office. I have had emails from people who have not received their money back from you. If they wish, they can post here, until then I will not reveal their names.

Good luck to you, you will need it.
 
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evolution said:
Where are all of players that these two are looking for?
Could it be they can't find any?
If this was some plan to scam money why did we give out all entries for free? And told most people to come to the first event before they join the tour to see if this is something they are interested in before they pay their tour Fee of $100?

Oh wait I just figured out the scam I don’t charge any thing and let the players win over $200,000 in aurora. How stupid of me! You caught me!
Oh wait is this one of those scams were I payout 4 million dollars and then turn around and rip off everybody by charging $100 per year to play. The only problem is you hurt the players not EB or you!

The only people that would have been hurt by our tour are other tours that might lose some turn out. Don’t you run some events?

I figure the two main reasons you two are so pissed off
1. I wouldn't pay you or allow you to be part of the tour
2. You need a really good??
Between Eydie trashing every one in the industry from Mike Janis to probably you! And Jennifer that does not like that we did not follow the proper channels and grease the right pockets? Sorry Ms. Gotti

Let’s be honest lady’s everyone knows I am not from the industry but I bet the players don’t care! They wanted to bring their game and get paid by a person from outside the industry.

If everyone looked at Eydie first message she stated she has seen some financials and verified via phone a player I wanted to sponsor! But as soon as I did not want to pay her until I got some feed back she starting trashing us!

Our tour will not be back any time soon unless someone can put together a board or website that rates people on honest player feedback so the industry can get rid of or at least separate the individuals that are holding back billiards.
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Don't blame Eydie. Something stunk and she found out what it was. Pool needs more people like Eydie that are willing to go the extra mile to take care of pool players to make sure that they are not being taken advantage of. If we had 100 tournament directors like Bob & Eydie, pool would actually get somewhere. Also, if Eydie was a mobster, she wouldn't be a Gotti. She's more of the Gambino type if you ask me.
 
I call your Bluff

Eydie,
if you and your friend can produce any person that Evolution Billiards inc. owes A $500 entry fee too I Michael Crawhorn of Evolution Billiards inc. will pay them $5000!
Every person that paid an entry fee was refunded at the start to show the billiards industry we were not going to use there money for the payout alone and to stop people like you from trying to say we were a scam!
Put bluntly either you are a full of shit or your so called contact is full of shit.
 
MikeJanis said:
Lamar, I was supposed to have a meeting with Michael from Evolution last Saturday (December 17th) during one of my events in the Chicago area but he never showed up or even called.

?????????????????

For now, I believe this thread covers most aspects of what is thought of Evolution Billiards. To get an insight on how someone in the billiard business feels read posts #84, #86 and #89.

I'm outta here !

Mj
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Hey Mike,
Sorry, He did not show up!
I read posts #84, #86 & #89 last night.
You have a PM.
"Merry Christmas"
Lamar
 
Blackjack said:
Also, if Eydie was a mobster, she wouldn't be a Gotti. She's more of the Gambino type if you ask me.
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Blackjack,

Just outta curiosity and to change the subject a bit, what kinda mobster would I be ? :-)

Also, could you inject some sorta nickname for me ?

Something like Mike the ?????? Or whatever ?

Mj
 
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how bout mike the pike. kinda between a guppie and a shark?????? just a thought lol
 
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