Evolution Billiards - HONEST INFO NEEDED

These are some pretty big companies and the people you may have contacted are not part of the group responsible for marketing. I have worked with large companies for about 20 years and one department is sometimes so far removed from the other that they have no concept. Also, I might add that many of the larger companies work with 3rd party marketing groups who work independantly within certain budget constraints.

Anyway, I plan to see what happens after Jan. 1. I am sure that any sponsors will be validated at that time. Hope for the best.
 
Pete, I couldn't agree more. I just couldn't sit on these emails knowing that I could sit on em and kick myself for not letting everyone know if something turns to stink pickles, or I could err on the side of caution in the interest of the folks here. I, myself, have signed up for the tour and had a hand in getting a "name" on the tour, so I truly want this thing to come out roses; hopefully, you're right in that the right hand and the left hand aren't working together with respect to Lugz and Allstate. I can't wait till Mr. Crawhorn gets his site back up and running.
 
pete lafond said:
These are some pretty big companies and the people you may have contacted are not part of the group responsible for marketing. I have worked with large companies for about 20 years and one department is sometimes so far removed from the other that they have no concept. Also, I might add that many of the larger companies work with 3rd party marketing groups who work independantly within certain budget constraints.

Anyway, I plan to see what happens after Jan. 1. I am sure that any sponsors will be validated at that time. Hope for the best.
You could be right Pete,
Sometimes a regional division or sub-division, or in some case local distributors can be doing sponsorships and the head office knows nothing about it.

An common example is Coca-Cola bottlers who often sponsor local events to drive local sales.

Colin
 
In the past few days since I have spent 5 hours of my very precious time with this guy, I have found out that he is not representing himself as he should.

I am preparing a statement that I will be posting.

In my opinion, Please DO NOT send this guy any more money.
 
Eydie Romano said:
In the past few days since I have spent 5 hours of my very precious time with this guy, I have found out that he is not representing himself as he should.

I am preparing a statement that I will be posting.

In my opinion, Please DO NOT send this guy any more money.

Hmmm, what turned you around, Eydie? Did you ever ask him why he was posting as someone else?
 
The Facts As I Know Them

I did some checking up on this guy for the past few days because so much of what he said to me just didn't jive. I gave him my word that I would not give details of his plans which were wishy washy at best. I figured that I would give him the benefit of the doubt till Jan, 1 because some of what he showed me seemed to be somewhat in order.. I called one of the players that he had spoken with, he confirmed but nothing was in writing.

Then, Mr. Crawhorn offered me (Eydie) a possession to help him which he refers to in one of the responses below regarding $. If this was factual, it would have been a nice possession, but again, nothing came in writing and he constantly contradicted himself and acted in a unprofessional way.

He played the "name game" with several pro players which I won't name and used one in particular person's name as being a major stock holder. I, along with a few of my friends did some research and a boat load of stuff he told me including him being on the Fox morning show yesterday proved to be non existent. He knew absolutely no one in the industry and was talking way out of his element. If he really had the cash he was talking about, he would have hired a reputable marketing department and went from there.

Yesterday, I received this letter from him, I am omitting the person's name and area in which he refer's to "mob" for security reasons. In addition, he then is requesting to jump on to my skirt tail for the Windy City Open.

Michael Crawhorn's letter to me yesterday:

"I have to go with the live broadcast! on Jan 15 and the follow up on Jan 31. I got contacted by ******* ****** from *****? **** was asking a lot of questions so I told *** I will be working with you. *** did say that is a good choice but, I didn't like the way *** was talking? *** said if I wanted to do anything in **** I would have to go through ***? What is *** like freaking mob or something?

I am waiting on some responses before I can give you a $ amount. Just an idea but what do you think about co/branding my big event? something like evolution billiards presents the Windy city tournament of champions. Or do you have any idea's on what to name it? I have to have it named before the web release on January 1. This event is set to go except we need to set an limit to the amount of entry's? and decide on venue? I can get the navy pier convention room a for 5 days and the ballroom for 2 days if we want to use it and start the event august 28

Thank you for your help
Michael Crawhorn"

Then, tonight he was informed that I was checking up on him.

Here is a letter that was received from the "Pro" player I was referring to disassociating he/she from him.


Hi ******,

I spoke to Mike the otherday and I don't want to get in the middle of anything but no I'm not in partnership with him. Honestly, he has offered a percentage to be involved. I told him that I would think about it. I don't know anything about running any tournament, especially being a tournament director that will never happen!!! I would be playing not running the tournament. Also, the ******* has nothing to do with him. Did he say that they were involved? So please don't mention my name because I don't know whats going on. I am telling you all I know and I guess he's using my name to bring people in and I have a high reputation and I certainly don't want someone to be using my name for anything unless I know. I'm glad you have brought this to my attention. I will call him to see what is going on. Let me know what else you find out, I would appreciate it.

Thanks once again,

******
So, then he figures out that I am on to him, and he writes me this:

"Why does everybody in this industry misrepresent their self. I don't know why you decided to share our info with other people when I asked you not to. I have been screwed by everyone that claimed that were willing to help us in this industry? I give up! you all win! I will call everyone on our tour and cancel the tour! Don't call me and I will delete my contact info with you.
mike"

And here is my response to him:



"Look Michael, I have not misrepresented my self, you have to many people in this industry. You are playing a game with many people and of all, ****, whom you are NOT friends with because I have checked this out. At this time in **** life, how you could take advantage of **** is appalling to me.

Apparently you feel that I am stupid along with hundreds of others in this industry ~ Only one problem with that. We have seen the likes of your type in the past and if you think that I was dumb enough to buy the goods, your are mistaken.

The whole situation stank from day one and continues to. It amazes me that you would actually think that you could get away with this... I sincerely hope that IF you have taken anyone's money it is returned immediately."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I hope this clears a few things up for everyone here..

Eydie
 
Eydie Romano said:
I did some checking up on this guy for the past few days because so much of what he said to me just didn't jive. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I hope this clears a few things up for everyone here..

Eydie
I'm sorry you had to experience that Eydie. I could smell dodgyness and shadyness a mile away. I was just surprised the guy had the balls to actually pursue things openly to such a degree. Maybe he really wanted to make something happen but just went about things in a shady unprofessional way.

What still gets me, is how someone who is so willing to self promote and get involved with people in positions of influence, did not have any trace on google other than a couple of posts about evolution billiards recently.

Could it really be his real name? What is his history?

btw: I hope no-one blames you for busting this project up. Seems you went in with an open mind and did your diligent duty only to find gaping holes and lies.
 
tour canceled

Enough is enough everyone knows we lost sponsors and they are distancing them selves from us and billiards. As of today I just notified Eydie Romano we have canceled our tour. For the players wanting to know why contact eydie, Kevin or countless others that has in one way or another ended this tour.

All players have already received refunds to our tournaments to show the industry we were not paying out prizes on entry fees alone or that we were going to take the money and run! The players that have already received your cards will still be able to use them for the remainder of the year.

I stated early on our website that all money was in a verifiable escrow account and only 2 players asked me to give them the info to verify the money.

Thank You,
Michael Crawhorn
 
Colin ~ That was some of the other stuff we had issues with.

I am not saying in anyway whatsoever for people NOT to play IF he has his event. I hope that he does have it BUT.....

I am just saying that from what I can tell, there maybe NO event. I honestly do hope that someday he has a event, but maybe it is in the pipe dream process? I honestly do hope, that he comes up with the event. I wish him well in that aspect, but I am just reporting what I know to be true. People who know me here, would be very disappointed in me IF I recommended this event and the guy disappeared with the dough. Things such as this have happened before to other people and we all know this...

The Goggle thing and another search were a real issue. The only Michael Crawhorn we could find was born in 51, (this guy is way younger than that) and died in 92. I'm not saying he is not who he is supposed to be, maybe he uses his middle name as his first name? I'm just saying, we can't find him. He didn't have a business card, so I had no info from that. I found that starnge as well..

It just so happens that the APA League Operator that works with me at The Windy City Open, has Fox and Hound as an account. He was completely clueless to this guy and his tournament there on Feb 27th. He receives monthly notifications from Fox and Hound regarding their up-coming events in which NOTHING was mentioned. But then again, maybe their PR person didn't have all the info:confused:

Here's my situation, he wanted me to work with him. I have what HE needs to make it, i.e. addresses, connections etc... I would have helped him, but would not have been taken advantage of and set myself up to be screwed at a later date.

So, a Hypothetical question ~ Now IF I attach my name to this thing and it and people mail in their money and there is no event and he's gone... who do they blame? We all know that it would all come back at me.

There is a company, Evolution Billiards owned by someone else who he says he is affiliated with, it was put together in Nov 05. But then he told me that he and this other pool player were the only people who owned this event. Then, when that person was contacted they denied it..... As seen in the letter I have in the other post.

Another problem with this story was that IF he had been connected to this player, then why didn't he/she give him contacts in the industry to use instead of him going out on a fishing trip?:confused: This particular pro player has connections, so that was another BIG warning that something was not as it seemed.

When I spoke with him at the meeting, I told him to stop talking to everyone because he was telling too many people different things. IF he didn't have all his eggs in a basket, the players would smell the rotten one, he would ruin his reputation, and the success of the event.

I went on to tell him, to write a paragraph for his web site and his phone message that said, "Due to time restrictions, we are updating our web site and we will not take any emails or phone calls until after Jan 1." He agreed and thought this was the best thing to do, but then he wouldn't keep his mouth shut. No later than I said that, I had several people call him him to ask questions and he rambled on to them with different stories and just kept digging that hole deeper and deeper. He just couldn't shut up until he had is event together and sponsors lined up.

It's just all way too confusing and unprofessional for me. I, in no way intend any harm to this person, I have been in this industry for many years now and will not risk my reputation in good standing over this. I am giving information to protect the players and my friends.
 
evolution said:
Enough is enough everyone knows we lost sponsors and they are distancing them selves from us and billiards.
Michael Crawhorn
As I work in the sports sponsorship business, this does not sound right to me.

If you HAD sponsorships in the amounts indicated, there would be a contract between parties, that would not allow the sponsor to pull out over something as trivial as a few internet posts or general enquiries.

If they did you would be able to sue them.

For small sponsorships this would not be worthwhile, but as numbers in the hundreds of thousands and millions were being talked about, the incentive for legal action would be strong.

Maybe you're just a bit new to this Michael and bit off more than you could chew. Many of us here would be supportive if your event plans had answered some of the basic questions that have been made here.
 
Congradulations (NOT)

:mad: This has to be a record, Evolution Billiards wants to start holding tournaments, paying good money.
Before they can hold even one venue they get fed up with the negative crap and cancel the whole thing.
Hopefully they will change their mind and cooler heads will prevail.
If not, this goes to prove, let what appears to be a good thing come along in pool and someone will find a way to screw it up!
Again congradulations to all the whiners and negative entities that continue to make them selves heard and then compalin because there are no tournaments!:confused:
 
shame on you Mr Crawhorn

Well well well..................

No one in this business was out to destroy a tour. We as people in the industry and players ourselves have an interest in where our monies go. What is my assumption is that this guy would continue to take your money and say he was putting it in a so called escrow account and then suddenly disappear just as another tour has done in this area. Colin's quote on sponsorship is dead nut correct and prior to his posting is what raised huge flags for me. The other flag was that the numbers did not add up not to mention people like MJ and ER had no idea what this was all about.

Unfortunately Mr. Crawhorn thinks that all of us in the industry are idiots. I don’t care who Mr. Crawhorn is, who is related to and who he knows. I have spent several hours researching him through the internet and direct contact to people that he proposed he was in partnership with, related to, businesses he so called owned and Evolution Billiards. My findings are as follows after a telephone conversation I had with Mr. Crawhorn yesterday:

1. He is not in partnership with anyone. My best guess is he is a manager of some sort with a terrible hackle of a laugh in every sentence he speaks.

2. Evolution Billiards is a corporation name in good standing; link
http://cdsprod.ilsos.net/CorpSearch...let?fileNumber=64573748&sysId=CD&nameType=MST

3. EB's agent is SPIEGEL & UTRERA P A, in doing a search for this companies address they also offer other services such as bookkeeping and accounting.

4. L & M trucking is supposed to be one of their sponsors. In doing a search for that company there are 4 or 5 different file numbers that list dissolved companies that are not in good standing. There is one file in good standing that has the same secretary of all of the bad standings and the same president that had the bad standings.

5. The Quarter Mile club that he has stated he owns is questionable. There is a Billiard Club of Rockford on Mainstreet.http://www.bcorockford.org/ the site even offers coloring books for kids.

6. In doing a search for Evolution Billiards I also came across several other postings for this so called venue on yahoo and another pool room. This is what is copied from this link: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/poolandbilliards/message/1507
From: mike <thequartermile@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Pool and Billiards] New Billiards Club With $1,000,000.00 to a single winner! mhcrawhorn
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mike wrote:

>John Bashaw wrote:
>
>>Please send me more info. on ur touraments, when and wat Date will
>>they begin.........Thank you ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,John
>>
>>mhcrawhorn <thequartermile@...> wrote:We are opening a private
>>club in Kendall county Illinois that will
>>have 12 monthly tournaments with 1st place receiving $10,000, 4
>>quarterly tournaments with first place getting $30,000, 2 semi annual
>>tournaments with first place receiving $80,000 and once a year we will
>>host a $1,000,000.00 championship to a single winner. Our championship
>>will be pick up and broadcast nationally.
>>
>>The break down is the top 8 players each month advance to the
>>quarterly tournament and Is guaranteed a spot in the 1 million dollar
>>championship.
>>The top 8 from each quarterly will advance to play in the semi annual
>>tournament.
>>Using this format all members have a chance to advance to the 1
>>million dollar championship 12 times.
>>Two weeks before the championship we will randomly pick 4 players that
>>did not advance to join in the championship.
>>
>>Fyi our site will also have a private restaurant and arcade. We will
>>have child care workers on staff to monitor our children in a
>>supervised environment. There will also be private balconies by
>>reservation, live music and entertainment.
>>
>>For more information email me at thequartermile@... with any
>>questions you may have.
>>If you are interested in a membership for the 2006 season let me know
>>in you email and send me your fax number or address so I can get a
>>application sent out. Let me know if you are aware a bigger prize that
>>was issued for billiards, We are going to break the record for 1st
>>place tournament winner in 2006.

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>We are currently finalizing the construction plans for our site. Our
>club will have all of the following services for members only.
>1. Restaurant
>2. Arcade
>3. Billiards hall
>4. Lounge room
>5. Child play room
>6. Live music
>7. And much more.
>
>Our billiards tournament will work as follows:
>
>12 qualifying tournaments-
>one tournament a month where the top 8 players will advance to our
>quarter finals, and automatically play in our championship.
>The prizes for winning a qualifying tournament are as follows. 1st
>$10,000 2nd $2000 3rd $500. This will give each member 12 chances
>to qualify for our $1,000,000 championship.
>
>4 quarter finals-
>the top 8 players from the prior 3 qualifying tournament will compete in
>our quarterly tournaments. The top 8 plays from each tournament will
>advance to our semi annual tournament. The prizes for winning the
>quarterly tournament are as follows. 1st $30,000 2nd $6000 3rd $1500
>
>2 semi annual tournaments-
>the top 8 players from the previous two quarterly tournaments will
>compete in our semi annual championships. The prizes for winning our
>semi annual tournaments are as follows. 1st $80,000 2nd $20,000 3rd $4000
>
>The quarter mile championship-
>All players who advanced in a qualifying tournament will play in our
>championship tournament. The prizes are as follows.
>1st place $1,000,000.00
>2nd place $200,000.00
>3rd place $50,000
>
>We are expecting to open in July-August 2006 with the tournaments
>starting the following month.
>Membership’s rates vary on the membership type. There will be two
>membership types:
>Single-
>Which gives the member, spouse, children and 1 quest full access to our
>site. The only restriction is, only the member may participate in the
>billiards tournaments not there family members.
>
>Corporate/group membership-
>Allows complete access to our site for up to a 4 person group per visit.
>The corporate membership allows for 1 person from there group to enter
>each qualifying tournament, if that person advances they must compete in
>all tournaments they are not allowed to let someone play for them. This
>allows the corporate or group members to have up to 12 players try out
>for the championship tournament.
>
>The Quarter Mile is proposed to be built in Aurora in the vicinity of
>Orchard Rd. and I-88.
>
>For a membership application and a membership rate inquiry please send
>an email to thequartermile@..., in the subject area type
>application and in the body of your email let us know how you want us to
>send you a application.
>We give you three ways to receive your application:
>
>1. email- just reply to this email and let me know you would like a
>application I will send you a ms word doc you can fill out and follow
>the instruction on the bottom to submit your application.
>
>2. fax- send us your fax # and we will have an application faxed to your
>location ASAP.
>
>3. mail- just send us your information and we will get your application
>in the mail the same day.
>Please let me know if you need any additional information. My direct
>email is michaelcrawhorn@...
>
>Thank you,
>Michael Crawhorn

>Yahoo! Groups Links

>Quick Question, How would you rate you playing abilities from novice to pro?

8. In my phone conversation yesterday Mr. Crawhorn did not understand the concept of brand name loyalty to players. He could not comprehend why some players prefer Diamond tables with Simone cloth and why some prefer to play on Crowns. For someone who states he owns a few clubs in IL and knows nothing about the billiards industry baffles me.

9. He also claims to own a place called City Pool Hall, when I called there and asked for him the manager was clueless to who he was and stated she did not know of him and that he was not a owner.

10. He has prompted this tournament with the same information in three other categories for three other pool rooms. Why has this never surfaced before – simply put it was smoke and mirrors and never happened. If it has not ever happened in the past how could it possibly happen now? Answer, it is bullshit.

11. Four of the so-called sponsors – Allstate, BCBS & an Automotive company and a fourth source (a major food chain) were contacted and said they do not know of him and have no known business relationship in the works or otherwise with him or Evolution Billiards.

12. It appears he is using the skirt tails of a well known pro that has not made any decisions to “partner” up with EB and is telling tales of tournament directing.

13. There are million dollar establishments where a venue of this level SHOULD be held.

The list goes on. I asked Mr. Crawhorn why he had not contacted local Tournament Directors and why he did ask for help. Does he think he can just venture into “territory” and set up shop and propose a plan with no backing?

As I stated before Fox and Hounds are nice places to go and drink and kick around a few balls on a pool table. They are establishments in my opinion that are set up for the group type setting of a work party NOT THE SERIOUS POOL PLAYER. They need a face lift on equipment.

The million dollar establishments should be given the common courtesy to those devoted to the sport and devoted to the best players in the world the first say and opportunity to hold a tournament venue of this style. Thanks to Mr. Crawford he has probably destroyed the opportunity for the serious promotions companies and tournament directing venues to ever be able to capitalize on major sponsorship to hold venues at the million dollar caliber level. This is another shame to our good sport.

It is my goal in 2006 to capitalize on some major money angels to sponsor a huge successful event for the Midwest region. I had started this a few months back and it is still in progression. If the time comes that I have signed contracts and a venue that is established for the players by the players along with devout room owners you will see a professional billiard tournament to speak of that will also come with the professionalism and ethics it takes to take on such a process. In closing there will also be the proper Press Releases to speak of when it is complete and not a day sooner.

Thank you for reading the post….

Steadyneddy’s Girlfriend
Jennifer Amalfitano
 
Talk about a red flag!

steadyneddy said:
Well well well..................

6. In doing a search for Evolution Billiards I also came across several other postings for this so called venue on yahoo and another pool room. This is what is copied from this link: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/poolandbilliards/message/1507
From: mike <thequartermile@...>
Date: Fri Sep 9, 2005 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Pool and Billiards] New Billiards Club With $1,000,000.00 to a single winner! mhcrawhorn
Send IM
Send Email

mike wrote:

>John Bashaw wrote:
>
>>Please send me more info. on ur touraments, when and wat Date will
>>they begin.........Thank you ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,John
>>
>>mhcrawhorn <thequartermile@...> wrote:We are opening a private
>>club in Kendall county Illinois that will
>>have 12 monthly tournaments with 1st place receiving $10,000, 4
>>quarterly tournaments with first place getting $30,000, 2 semi annual
>>tournaments with first place receiving $80,000 and once a year we will
>>host a $1,000,000.00 championship to a single winner. Our championship
>>will be pick up and broadcast nationally.
>>
>>The break down is the top 8 players each month advance to the
>>quarterly tournament and Is guaranteed a spot in the 1 million dollar
>>championship.
>>The top 8 from each quarterly will advance to play in the semi annual
>>tournament.
>>Using this format all members have a chance to advance to the 1
>>million dollar championship 12 times.
>>Two weeks before the championship we will randomly pick 4 players that
>>did not advance to join in the championship.
>>
>>Fyi our site will also have a private restaurant and arcade. We will
>>have child care workers on staff to monitor our children in a
>>supervised environment. There will also be private balconies by
>>reservation, live music and entertainment.
>>
>>For more information email me at thequartermile@... with any
>>questions you may have.
>>If you are interested in a membership for the 2006 season let me know
>>in you email and send me your fax number or address so I can get a
>>application sent out. Let me know if you are aware a bigger prize that
>>was issued for billiards, We are going to break the record for 1st
>>place tournament winner in 2006.
>>
>We are currently finalizing the construction plans for our site. Our
>club will have all of the following services for members only.
>1. Restaurant
>2. Arcade
>3. Billiards hall
>4. Lounge room
>5. Child play room
>6. Live music
>7. And much more.
>
>Our billiards tournament will work as follows:
>
>12 qualifying tournaments-
>one tournament a month where the top 8 players will advance to our
>quarter finals, and automatically play in our championship.
>The prizes for winning a qualifying tournament are as follows. 1st
>$10,000 2nd $2000 3rd $500. This will give each member 12 chances
>to qualify for our $1,000,000 championship.
>
>4 quarter finals-
>the top 8 players from the prior 3 qualifying tournament will compete in
>our quarterly tournaments. The top 8 plays from each tournament will
>advance to our semi annual tournament. The prizes for winning the
>quarterly tournament are as follows. 1st $30,000 2nd $6000 3rd $1500
>
>2 semi annual tournaments-
>the top 8 players from the previous two quarterly tournaments will
>compete in our semi annual championships. The prizes for winning our
>semi annual tournaments are as follows. 1st $80,000 2nd $20,000 3rd $4000
>
>The quarter mile championship-
>All players who advanced in a qualifying tournament will play in our
>championship tournament. The prizes are as follows.
>1st place $1,000,000.00
>2nd place $200,000.00
>3rd place $50,000
>
>We are expecting to open in July-August 2006 with the tournaments
>starting the following month.
>Membership’s rates vary on the membership type. There will be two
>membership types:
>Single-
>Which gives the member, spouse, children and 1 quest full access to our
>site. The only restriction is, only the member may participate in the
>billiards tournaments not there family members.
>
>Corporate/group membership-
>Allows complete access to our site for up to a 4 person group per visit.
>The corporate membership allows for 1 person from there group to enter
>each qualifying tournament, if that person advances they must compete in
>all tournaments they are not allowed to let someone play for them. This
>allows the corporate or group members to have up to 12 players try out
>for the championship tournament.
>
>The Quarter Mile is proposed to be built in Aurora in the vicinity of
>Orchard Rd. and I-88.
>
>For a membership application and a membership rate inquiry please send
>an email to thequartermile@..., in the subject area type
>application and in the body of your email let us know how you want us to
>send you a application.
>We give you three ways to receive your application:
>
>1. email- just reply to this email and let me know you would like a
>application I will send you a ms word doc you can fill out and follow
>the instruction on the bottom to submit your application.
>
>2. fax- send us your fax # and we will have an application faxed to your
>location ASAP.
>
>3. mail- just send us your information and we will get your application
>in the mail the same day.
>Please let me know if you need any additional information. My direct
>email is michaelcrawhorn@...
>
>Thank you,
>Michael Crawhorn

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11. Four of the so-called sponsors – Allstate, BCBS & an Automotive company and a fourth source (a major food chain) were contacted and said they do not know of him and have no known business relationship in the works or otherwise with him or Evolution Billiards.

Thanks to Mr. Crawford he has probably destroyed the opportunity for the serious promotions companies and tournament directing venues to ever be able to capitalize on major sponsorship to hold venues at the million dollar caliber level. This is another shame to our good sport.

It is my goal in 2006 to capitalize on some major money angels to sponsor a huge successful event for the Midwest region. I had started this a few months back and it is still in progression. If the time comes that I have signed contracts and a venue that is established for the players by the players along with devout room owners you will see a professional billiard tournament to speak of that will also come with the professionalism and ethics it takes to take on such a process. In closing there will also be the proper Press Releases to speak of when it is complete and not a day sooner.

Thank you for reading the post….

Steadyneddy’s Girlfriend
Jennifer Amalfitano

Jennifer,

Yes, you found the same post he had done as theQuartermile in which it proved he was Michael Crawhorn that I posted in this thread earlier. That is what made me wary of the whole thing. The reason we all noticed Evolution Billiards in the first place was because of this thread where he acted like he was NOT Michael Crawhorn: (Also notice all the typos/grammar errors which I pointed out were going out on his website too.)

http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=21831&highlight=evolution+billiards

And here are some highlights he posted as an interested player NOT as the owner - very deceptive!

thequartermile
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10


I signed up

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I'm not going to pay for there high priced fan clubs but i signed up for the silver cup. cost me $500 but the $40,000 sure looks good. I also signed up for the world series because that is going to sell out fast $1,000,000.

thequartermile
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10


no joke

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i called fox and hound and evolution before i paid.

When TannerPruess asked where the money was coming from, he says this:

thequartermile
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10


prize money

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don't know, don't care.
I pay $200 a month now just for local tournaments and the biggest prize that i am aware of "at least" in Illinois was $5,000 if your not on a pro tour.
While you worry about were the money is coming from i will worry about were to put the money when i win


And how about the balls on this one???

11-27-2005, 09:56 AM
thequartermile
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10


Fox and Hound Silver Cup this is not fair for the players that paid

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There is a link on there website saying the first person from each state will get free entry into this tournament and the World Series of Billiards. I don't know how many of you signed up but that make me mad!! I paid $500 to play in the tournament they should give the paid entry's something. It like when you work to get your first used car and then that kid in school gets the brand new one for free from his parents.



Now it looks like he has re-registered here as Evolution. He really is evolving!

Good luck with your venture, Jennifer. Unfortunately, all these companies that he claimed were behind him and that others have contacted, have given pool another black eye. It will make it that much harder in the future to secure those corporate sponsorships, especially with those companies.

Those that sent in their medical insurance forms with their birthdates and SSN's better stay on the lookout for credit card fraud, etc. Keep checking your credit reports or have them put up flags for new cards opening. Potentially, he could open new charge accounts with his address and you would never know, but if he doesn't pay them, YOU are going to be liable! And that could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars in services and merchandise (depending on your credit!), including things bought with questionable taste/morals (like porn site memberships, etc.) Maybe that's how he was going to fund EBS! I am so glad I did not get involved and also that I did not send in my insurance form.

Linda :(
 
thanks linda - just trying to protect our own here

rackmsuckr said:
Jennifer,

Yes, you found the same post he had done as theQuartermile in which it proved he was Michael Crawhorn that I posted in this thread earlier. That is what made me wary of the whole thing. The reason we all noticed Evolution Billiards in the first place was because of this thread where he acted like he was NOT Michael Crawhorn: (Also notice all the typos/grammar errors which I pointed out were going out on his website too.)

http://www.azbilliards.com/vbulletin/upload/showthread.php?t=21831&highlight=evolution+billiards

And here are some highlights he posted as an interested player NOT as the owner - very deceptive!

thequartermile
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10


I signed up

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm not going to pay for there high priced fan clubs but i signed up for the silver cup. cost me $500 but the $40,000 sure looks good. I also signed up for the world series because that is going to sell out fast $1,000,000.

thequartermile
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10


no joke

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

i called fox and hound and evolution before i paid.

When TannerPruess asked where the money was coming from, he says this:

thequartermile
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10


prize money

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

don't know, don't care.
I pay $200 a month now just for local tournaments and the biggest prize that i am aware of "at least" in Illinois was $5,000 if your not on a pro tour.
While you worry about were the money is coming from i will worry about were to put the money when i win


And how about the balls on this one???

11-27-2005, 09:56 AM
thequartermile
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10


Fox and Hound Silver Cup this is not fair for the players that paid

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There is a link on there website saying the first person from each state will get free entry into this tournament and the World Series of Billiards. I don't know how many of you signed up but that make me mad!! I paid $500 to play in the tournament they should give the paid entry's something. It like when you work to get your first used car and then that kid in school gets the brand new one for free from his parents.



Now it looks like he has re-registered here as Evolution. He really is evolving!

Good luck with your venture, Jennifer. Unfortunately, all these companies that he claimed were behind him and that others have contacted, have given pool another black eye. It will make it that much harder in the future to secure those corporate sponsorships, especially with those companies.

Those that sent in their medical insurance forms with their birthdates and SSN's better stay on the lookout for credit card fraud, etc. Keep checking your credit reports or have them put up flags for new cards opening. Potentially, he could open new charge accounts with his address and you would never know, but if he doesn't pay them, YOU are going to be liable! And that could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars in services and merchandise (depending on your credit!), including things bought with questionable taste/morals (like porn site memberships, etc.) Maybe that's how he was going to fund EBS! I am so glad I did not get involved and also that I did not send in my insurance form.

Linda :(
 
Yes, well done Linda, Jennifer and Eydie,
It is best this bad seed was uncovered as early as possible.

We need to find out if anyone has paid any fees which have not been returned.

I think, so far, the only one that claimed to have paid anything here was Michael Crawhorn's false personality 'thequatermile'.
 
Re: (aka: thequartermile)

Hey guys,
The screen name is what first caught my eye.

"The quarter mile", is a term that is used in the drag racing world, not in the pool world. 1/4 mile is the normal length of track in the major drag racing events. Some of the events are shown on ESPN, both live & recorded. Events are also held on 1/8 mile tracks.
It now appears to me that this guy was trying to trap me as well, re: my public profile in this forum.

Re: Fan Memberships, It appeared to me he copied another tours format. Please do not use tour name in this thread.

Colin, Please re-check M.C. search, & adise your thoughts.

"Thanks Eydie".

"Have a nice day",
Lamar
 
I am sure that no one really needs proof that Evolution and Quarter Mile are the same person but here is the ip check from the one post...

* evobilliards 67.184.15.135
* evoltion 67.184.15.135
* evolution 67.184.15.135
* thequartermile 67.184.15.135


Mike
 
AzHousePro said:
I am sure that no one really needs proof that Evolution and Quarter Mile are the same person but here is the ip check from the one post...

* evobilliards 67.184.15.135
* evoltion 67.184.15.135
* evolution 67.184.15.135
* thequartermile 67.184.15.135


Mike

I never knew you could have that many screen names for one person!
 
AzHousePro said:
I am sure that no one really needs proof that Evolution and Quarter Mile are the same person but here is the ip check from the one post...

* evobilliards 67.184.15.135
* evoltion 67.184.15.135
* evolution 67.184.15.135
* thequartermile 67.184.15.135


Mike


WOW~ Just Wow. Eydie *shaking head in disbelief* In retrospect, I guess the 5 hours of my time was worth it to save the hundreds/thousands of dollars in monies the players could have lost.
 
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