Expectations

As a younger man I played pool between 4 to 10 hours a day. An off day then was still pretty sporty against the locals. At age 60 I notice my endurance is weaker and my desire wants me to still have it. Concentration and focus seems to wander away from issue at hand (Getting it done on table). I have joined a group of much higher level players and I either get it together or look like I don’t need to be there. I have found out that it has forced me to spend more time at the table. I had to find time at least and hour a day at the table with what i call serious or good effort. After about 3 weeks and working on the problem shots that I kept missing I started actually competing. Then all of a sudden I felt that DESIRE start to happen. Do not get me wrong I make sure my EGO status is where it should and I am probably 4 to 5 on the leaderboard consistently in a group of maybe 25 - 30 competitors. In summary after attending ’ The Derby City Classic” for maybe the past 15 years straight I have noticed while watching the best in the world for 4 days that I will never be that good with what appears to be effortless running around the table and sinking balls. But, I did learn a little about how they stroked the ball and realize they put more time in than I do. In summary, My opinion as to get better making free throws, you must shoot more free throws.



A guess here but I think your mental game may need more polishing than your physical one. Your ego status may not be where it should be because you are trying to be what the social norm expects a person to be. Too much modesty, real or false, can be detrimental to your mental game. Your unconscious can't tell the difference between the two. Years ago I read a book about the mental side of poker. The author strongly believed that the ideal mindset to play poker would make you very unlikeable to others, even yourself. To win at most things, including pool, we don't have to be world class jerks but we have to be honest with ourselves and not lie to others, even the white lies we say for social comfort. I will occasionally make neutral comments but I will never say things like "I am here to donate" or "just filling out the field" if I am there to try to win. I very rarely say such things even if true, my unconscious is listening and if my conscious doesn't care neither does my unconscious and it is what drives my pool game.

While our physical game responds to practice, don't neglect the mental game. It can be the real stumbling block holding you back from that last little bit needed to win. I have found that not only does ego need to keep pace with physical capabilities, if it leads the way that can be a good thing sometimes for competition. I have known a double handful of people over the years with all of the equipment and all of the skills needed to win that never won. They didn't win the big events, they didn't win small events. They were always very close to the leaders but they never saw themselves as winners so they found ways to live down to their expectations.

Hu
 
realistic goals helped me

if I play as a D I dont plan to progress to B in 15 weeks.
I consider progress from D to B based on specific skill acquisition.

having the physical strength to use the cue certain ways took me decades. I enjoy how easily I can play a masse now. But back then it felt like I cant do anything right.

What still gets me is stacking two ball vertically its standard trick shot demo. I never got it ever. some skills are just beyond me
 
Nothing like getting in the box and playing for something. I know a lot of guys don't gamble, some of them may be competitive enough to play their best game for funsies. That just isn't most guys.

Visualize everything. Seeing the shot, the position, coming back from 5-2 down. Your mind's eye (subconscious) is much stronger than we can fathom. Once you have the skills, you need a way to reach your best game. Visualization is how you get there...to switch from overanalysis to execution.
 
A guess here but I think your mental game may need more polishing than your physical one. Your ego status may not be where it should be because you are trying to be what the social norm expects a person to be. Too much modesty, real or false, can be detrimental to your mental game. Your unconscious can't tell the difference between the two. Years ago I read a book about the mental side of poker. The author strongly believed that the ideal mindset to play poker would make you very unlikeable to others, even yourself. To win at most things, including pool, we don't have to be world class jerks but we have to be honest with ourselves and not lie to others, even the white lies we say for social comfort. I will occasionally make neutral comments but I will never say things like "I am here to donate" or "just filling out the field" if I am there to try to win. I very rarely say such things even if true, my unconscious is listening and if my conscious doesn't care neither does my unconscious and it is what drives my pool game.

While our physical game responds to practice, don't neglect the mental game. It can be the real stumbling block holding you back from that last little bit needed to win. I have found that not only does ego need to keep pace with physical capabilities, if it leads the way that can be a good thing sometimes for competition. I have known a double handful of people over the years with all of the equipment and all of the skills needed to win that never won. They didn't win the big events, they didn't win small events. They were always very close to the leaders but they never saw themselves as winners so they found ways to live down to their expectations.

Hu
Very interesting opinion and appreciate it. I depended on the financial part of the game in younger years and was successful and like yourself was able turn it up or down depending on the need. I think my EGO was part of my strategy then because it was part of my game. Now much more financially stable for some reason THE REWARD for accomplishing task is not as much YEE HAW as it used to be. You are right I must sharpen my mental approach to improve to close the deal. I still can stay in decent physical stroke, many years smarter at the game, just need to implement. Thanks for the words.
 
I go in to every session (practice or a match) with a positive outlook, anticipating I’ll play at a skill / execution / consistency level like I know I’m capable of playing at and have played at before.

Virtually every session, I find I fall short of those expectations. I may play at that level in short spurts, possibly even for a complete race to 5 or race to 7 set against an opponent or against the ghost, but never for an entire session. Just curious if most others here experience the same - almost always failing to play at the level you know you are capable of playing at for an extended session?

Working harder and playing / practicing more is not an option with the amount of time I’m able to play. I know my fundamentals are sound, but I’m sure sometimes better than others. Yes, I realize my age, 64, may be the main reason, but I honestly feel my vision, health and/or lack of focus are not what is holding me back. Should I consider adjusting my expectations? That just seems like such a pessimistic and depressing outlook, even if it is realistic.

I guess it would just make me feel better to hear that most others, particularly those in my general age group, have a similar experience with their pool game?
https://www.researchgate.net/public...tification_of_Individual_Athletic_Performance

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6157919/

http://www.sportpsychologytoday.com...ons-can-lead-pressure-and-effect-performance/

There are resources out there for players to access, if they want the answer bad enough.

It starts with your definition of expectations. That requires context. Context relies on who, when and where to set the stage. Logically this creates a different environment for expectations every time. The “when” variable includes history. Previous encounters, results and changes in resources color expectations. Of course, who and where make up the other components completing the scenario. Additionally, expectations change as the results of each shot/game/match add to history.

Perhaps a better measure for play is the idea of certainty. Certainty feeds into beliefs, confidence, expectations and prediction. Prediction is the key involved in each individual shot. Prediction varies based on the level of certainty. It ranges, on a scale, from zero to 100%. So how do we measure the level?

Certainty is a cognitive construct. Think about what it feels like to pocket a sitter. Hold onto that feeling while you measure the shot. Find the elements in the shot that move the needle towards the sitter feel for the current shot. Education researchers, studying good spellers, discovered that their level of certainty was felt along the centre line of the body. A cocked head is a sign of uncertainty. In veterinary medicine, that cocked head usually indicates balance issues. Patients with vestibular disruption experience uncertainty, as a symptom. It translates into our language around decisions. Knowing in your heart of hearts or the gut feelings. Those centre line descriptions reveal that we listen to our body. The takeaway for players concerning certainty is that this is part of what we need to consider. It appears in many parts of the game.

Initial evaluation of the table creates decision points. Choice of strategy, tactics, patterned play and current shot pick. Once a shot is in play, choosing the aim line, type of cue action needed in the current table situation, will generate a level of certainty. This should feed back into the whole decision process making it possible to change any decision in the chain. Without commitment to a plan or a shot, uncertainty lives and with it hesitancy. Assuming that hurdle is cleared, certainty switches to the predictability of success.

Your body has a built in balance meter that acts to tell us when things are off. Learning to tap into your level of certainty can work as a tipping point letting you get up instead of proceeding. Baseball research examined what was the biggest difference between better and lesser batters, they found it was the ability to lay off pitches. Not swinging, when it was right, was the difference that made a difference. Tapping into our level of certainty should allow us to get up and let us commit fully and realistically.

It’s up to the individual player to set realistic expectations, that allows for personal growth.
Hope this helps.
 
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Very interesting opinion and appreciate it. I depended on the financial part of the game in younger years and was successful and like yourself was able turn it up or down depending on the need. I think my EGO was part of my strategy then because it was part of my game. Now much more financially stable for some reason THE REWARD for accomplishing task is not as much YEE HAW as it used to be. You are right I must sharpen my mental approach to improve to close the deal. I still can stay in decent physical stroke, many years smarter at the game, just need to implement. Thanks for the words.

There were a few months many years ago when my one meal a day depended on how I did on the pool table. Also, a pouring rain could keep me from the nearest pool table maybe a mile and a half or two miles away. The typical bet was three dollars and often I had $3.50 on me. One bet and change to challenge the table. Focus was never a problem then!(grin)

Hu
 
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I go in to every session (practice or a match) with a positive outlook, anticipating I’ll play at a skill / execution / consistency level like I know I’m capable of playing at and have played at before.

Virtually every session, I find I fall short of those expectations. I may play at that level in short spurts, possibly even for a complete race to 5 or race to 7 set against an opponent or against the ghost, but never for an entire session. Just curious if most others here experience the same - almost always failing to play at the level you know you are capable of playing at for an extended session?

Working harder and playing / practicing more is not an option with the amount of time I’m able to play. I know my fundamentals are sound, but I’m sure sometimes better than others. Yes, I realize my age, 64, may be the main reason, but I honestly feel my vision, health and/or lack of focus are not what is holding me back. Should I consider adjusting my expectations? That just seems like such a pessimistic and depressing outlook, even if it is realistic.

I guess it would just make me feel better to hear that most others, particularly those in my general age group, have a similar experience with their pool game?
You're not hungry enough any more! In the back of your mind you know it doesn't really matter if you win or lose. It won't make any difference in your life at this point in time, will it?

When we were young and hungry (and sometimes near broke) we didn't have the luxury of missing too many balls. 😁
 
You're not hungry enough any more! In the back of your mind you know it doesn't really matter if you win or lose. It won't make any difference in your life at this point in time, will it?

When we were young and hungry (and sometimes near broke) we didn't have the luxury of missing too many balls. 😁
Jay, I appreciate your insight and you are correct - winning / losing won’t make any difference in my life. Even if I was to achieve my lifetime goal of a high run of 100 balls in 14.1, that wouldn’t make any difference in my life either other than giving me some personal measure of accomplishment and satisfaction.

Compared to a many others, even 40+ years ago I was fortunate enough that I don’t think winning or losing made that big a difference in my life. I guess that’s why I never had the motivation and incentive to try everything I could to take my game to a higher level.
 
Jay, I appreciate your insight and you are correct - winning / losing won’t make any difference in my life. Even if I was to achieve my lifetime goal of a high run of 100 balls in 14.1, that wouldn’t make any difference in my life either other than giving me some personal measure of accomplishment and satisfaction.

Compared to a many others, even 40+ years ago I was fortunate enough that I don’t think winning or losing made that big a difference in my life. I guess that’s why I never had the motivation and incentive to try everything I could to take my game to a higher level.
You nailed it right there Chris. The main reason you want to play well today is all about personal accomplishment and feeling good about yourself, that you can still play this game at a high level. I suspect that if you were pushed, perhaps goaded into a money game and somehow had something on the line greater than mere satisfaction, you might play better than you expected. I'm a little older than you but I've been pushed a couple of times (five to ten years ago now) by a blowhard to play for money and I got down on my belly and played some pool! Pool is in our guts and we can bring it out when we really need to.

I'm actually looking forward to Gypsy Soul coming out here to play me some Bank Pool and I haven't hit ten balls during the Pandemic. My thumb is currently wrapped in bandages from surgery a week ago (for an ailment known as "trigger finger") but I'll be ready when he comes. ;)

P.S. My lifetime high run is 72 and I don't really care. I never made a dime playing Straight Pool, but I did make the nine ball from off the end rail many times to win the cash, and that's what I care about and remember.
 

I think I am remembering Babe Ruth right now but one of the home run kings was also a strike out king. Nobody paid much attention to the strike outs when the hits were sailing over the fence! Teddy Roosevelt was about as much image as real I believe. Never-the-less, I think he is the one that wrote a great little one or two page article, until you get in the arena and try you never know the crushing defeat of failing, but you never know the feeling of a big win either.

You nailed it right there Chris. The main reason you want to play well today is all about personal accomplishment and feeling good about yourself, that you can still play this game at a high level. I suspect that if you were pushed, perhaps goaded into a money game and somehow had something on the line greater than mere satisfaction, you might play better than you expected. I'm a little older than you but I've been pushed a couple of times (five to ten years ago now) by a blowhard to play for money and I got down on my belly and played some pool! Pool is in our guts and we can bring it out when we really need to.

I'm actually looking forward to Gypsy Soul coming out here to play me some Bank Pool and I haven't hit ten balls during the Pandemic. My thumb is currently wrapped in bandages from surgery a week ago (for an ailment known as "trigger finger") but I'll be ready when he comes. ;)

P.S. My lifetime high run is 72 and I don't really care. I never made a dime playing Straight Pool, but I did make the nine ball from off the end rail many times to win the cash, and that's what I care about and remember.

Somebody trying to show me up pushed me to one of my best runs ever with a pistol. A continuous roar from the .45 shooting the old 230 grain major loads with no compensator and I never lost view of the serrations on the front sight. As it settled into the notch of the rear sight I had the sights where they needed to be on paper and broke another shot without the gun ever stopping. Maybe quarter second splits and I'm sure every split was the same. The young pup who thought he had surpassed his early mentor was crushed! Old and ailing, I ripped fifteen rounds off in a blur that he couldn't match despite being a young healthy pro or semi-pro athlete. He should have remembered who built that pistol!(grin) I still smile thinking about him cursing under his breath after verifying the holes in the target. The slight smirk on his face when he handed me the pistol had told me all I needed to know.

Another time I went to a match as almost an unknown. Only a couple people there knew me. The young guns were comparing scores after every stage, I was quietly doing my thing. After the match there was quite some confusion when it was announced first place Hu! For once all of the "who"s weren't mocking my name!

Sometimes age and cunning has it's day over youth and vitality! While I consider my pool awful today, every once in awhile I get a reminder it is a notch or two above banger level. It would be fun to have an old folks convention.

Hu
 
It’s hard to play for an extended time and maintain near perfect play. When I practice for 3 or 4 hrs I always have some lapses in that amount of time. I’m 53 and I think the older you get the harder the mental focus is. We are all human. Also remember we only play the absolute best pool once in our lifetime. The most of the time we play our average game. We just have to learn to accept that.
 
Takes a lot of work to get into your best form. If you see a guy making it all look so easy...it's from countless hours of effort.

Take the mindset that you are a student of the game. Work on weaknesses until they become strengths. Challenge yourself.

Still allow yourself to fail. Knowing you won't always be lazer focused. Set goals and do all you can to achieve them.
Holy Cow! Very well stated, failing is just part of the process. It’s what we do to turn things around that dictates how efficient we turn those failures into strengths.
 
You nailed it right there Chris. The main reason you want to play well today is all about personal accomplishment and feeling good about yourself, that you can still play this game at a high level. I suspect that if you were pushed, perhaps goaded into a money game and somehow had something on the line greater than mere satisfaction, you might play better than you expected. I'm a little older than you but I've been pushed a couple of times (five to ten years ago now) by a blowhard to play for money and I got down on my belly and played some pool! Pool is in our guts and we can bring it out when we really need to.

I'm actually looking forward to Gypsy Soul coming out here to play me some Bank Pool and I haven't hit ten balls during the Pandemic. My thumb is currently wrapped in bandages from surgery a week ago (for an ailment known as "trigger finger") but I'll be ready when he comes. ;)

P.S. My lifetime high run is 72 and I don't really care. I never made a dime playing Straight Pool, but I did make the nine ball from off the end rail many times to win the cash, and that's what I care about and remember.
Jay, funny you mention trigger thumb as I’ve had a bout with it in my right (grip hand) thumb over the past few months. My thumb has never bothered me before and I don’t believe I do anything repetitive with it that would have caused it. I got a shot in it about two months ago and he said that might fix it permanently or it might require another shot.

It was better for about a month and then started gradually getting worse again so I got another shot just before Christmas. It’s feeling better now, but who knows if it will come back. He did say that surgery is an option if the shots don’t fix it, which I’m trying to avoid even though he said it’s fairly routine. If I need the surgery, I’m sure I’ll be checking back with you for any advice as to your experience - thanks
 
Jay, funny you mention trigger thumb as I’ve had a bout with it in my right (grip hand) thumb over the past few months. My thumb has never bothered me before and I don’t believe I do anything repetitive with it that would have caused it. I got a shot in it about two months ago and he said that might fix it permanently or it might require another shot.

It was better for about a month and then started gradually getting worse again so I got another shot just before Christmas. It’s feeling better now, but who knows if it will come back. He did say that surgery is an option if the shots don’t fix it, which I’m trying to avoid even though he said it’s fairly routine. If I need the surgery, I’m sure I’ll be checking back with you for any advice as to your experience - thanks


Any surgery is much more routine when you are the cutter. When you are the cuttee, not so much.

Hu
 
You're not hungry enough any more! In the back of your mind you know it doesn't really matter if you win or lose. It won't make any difference in your life at this point in time, will it?

When we were young and hungry (and sometimes near broke) we didn't have the luxury of missing too many balls. 😁
wow, you definitely busted me for sure. I like HU have walked in the rain, played in the 70’s for a dollar on the 3,6,9 and got down to a dollar in my pocket and have had to knuckle down and shoot. Real time daily pressure. I remember a score of $187 playing nine ball and that does not sound like much jingle in your pocket in today funds, but in 1977 it was a good lick and also to mention i broke the barrier of no longer house man local shortstop to becoming a respected player
 
Any surgery is much more routine when you are the cutter. When you are the cuttee, not so much.

Hu
I get the stitches out on Friday. That ain't gonna feel too good, but at least my thumb is working properly again. Just try doing something with your hand when you can't use your thumb. That little thumb is what makes us the dominant species on this planet, so far. ;)
 
I go in to every session (practice or a match) with a positive outlook, anticipating I’ll play at a skill / execution / consistency level like I know I’m capable of playing at and have played at before.

Virtually every session, I find I fall short of those expectations. I may play at that level in short spurts, possibly even for a complete race to 5 or race to 7 set against an opponent or against the ghost, but never for an entire session. Just curious if most others here experience the same - almost always failing to play at the level you know you are capable of playing at for an extended session?

Working harder and playing / practicing more is not an option with the amount of time I’m able to play. I know my fundamentals are sound, but I’m sure sometimes better than others. Yes, I realize my age, 64, may be the main reason, but I honestly feel my vision, health and/or lack of focus are not what is holding me back. Should I consider adjusting my expectations? That just seems like such a pessimistic and depressing outlook, even if it is realistic.

I guess it would just make me feel better to hear that most others, particularly those in my general age group, have a similar experience with their pool game?

I turned 67 last year and feel I'm playing better than I ever have.

And what I do, when I have gone off-line mid-session, is to make it a priority to figure out why my next time practicing. IOWs, I go to the table hoping I play badly -- in a fashion similar to what happen previously -- so I can attempt to diagnose and correct. Through this process I have slowly but surely made improvements to my game.

Your poor play is telling you something, you just have to listen carefully.

Lou Figueroa
 
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