Experiments in looking at the cueball while delivering the stroke.

Oikawa said:
My opinion is that at the top level
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I assume you are speaking of your personal top level. Lots of ways to get to the top. Can you qualify your opinion with a measure of your "top level"?
I find it interesting now that I finally viewed Jason Shaw on Facebook.
Let us see now what the Straight Pool World Record holder say or what does Oikawa say. Hmmm, Jason not only says what but also Why he does it.
Slam Dunk!
 
BeiberLvr said:
Shaw doing a quick demo and talking about how he looks at the CB last.

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Shaw is one of the best shooters/potters out there. They call him Eagle Eye.

I know it sounds insane but if you are on the shot line and can stroke straight without your tip wavering side to side there is nothing to worry about. You see the shot line, mental check says it's good (have faith), then cue ball last ensures you strike the CB on the microdot. The OB ain't moving and if your form is adequate there's nothing to worry about. Again, it sounds insane but it works very well.

Like anything you might have to practice, but the practice is mainly about getting the other wonky stuff in line. I can do either way but I make much more with CB last.
 
I still aspire to be the Falcon. 😉 USAFA.
Yeah Eagle Eye says it and your description is spot on. The "have faith" is the hard part for any that have been taught otherwise. The expression of Judd Trump when discussing with Stephen Hendry and saying that he started cue ball last and had a coach change it.
 
Well Shit! I just started reading post #1 and can't even read the whole damn thing. Looking for the digested version,???? It works. Try it you might like it. And if not? Oh Well. 😉

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Oikawa said:
My opinion is that at the top level, it doesn't make that much of a difference whether they look at OB or CB last, or somewhere inbetween or nearby. The line has been chosen a long time ago, and the muscle memory of a straight stroke relative to their alignment has been burned in enough times to not be steered off by a slight difference in focus of vision. Not saying that the topic of eye focus isn't important, it definitely is, but the differences it causes are smaller the better you get.
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Here's why it matters: confirmation bias. Not the best fit for this expression but close enough. There's this hand eye coordination thing going on that kind of has command of the body and once you've aimed, it can get in the way. CBL takes that need <not to miss> and turns it into a leap of faith.
You've seen the spot shots shootouts. Muscle memory my ass. :p
 
Oikawa said:
My opinion is that at the top level, it doesn't make that much of a difference whether they look at OB or CB last, or somewhere inbetween or nearby. The line has been chosen a long time ago, and the muscle memory of a straight stroke relative to their alignment has been burned in enough times to not be steered off by a slight difference in focus of vision. Not saying that the topic of eye focus isn't important, it definitely is, but the differences it causes are smaller the better you get.
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The shot dictates what they do, more so than they do this or that every time.
 
BeiberLvr said:
Shaw doing a quick demo and talking about how he looks at the CB last.

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I have to admit I’ve never been a Jayson Shaw fan although his overall game and shotmaking is among the very best.

I know it’s not for most, but now knowing that Jayson advocates looking at the cue ball last and this is now something I’m trying to incorporate after looking at the object ball last for the last 55 years, this gives me renewed confidence that this will help my game if I stick with it, which I’m already seeing positive signs of.
 
ChrisinNC said:
gives me renewed confidence that this will help my game if I stick with it,
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First the leap of faith. If it works then comes confidence. Tempered confidence as I am familiar with the over confident miss. 🤷‍♂️
Straight pool made simple with precision cueball. Shaw brings power and precision.
I enjoyed watching Ray Martin bring his Straight pool game to the 9 ball tournament in Reno at the Sands in the late 80's. Minimal and precise cueball movements had him playing different paterns.
 
gregcantrall said:
First the leap of faith. If it works then comes confidence. Tempered confidence as I am familiar with the over confident miss. 🤷‍♂️
Straight pool made simple with precision cueball. Shaw brings power and precision.
I enjoyed watching Ray Martin bring his Straight pool game to the 9 ball tournament in Reno at the Sands in the late 80's. Minimal and precise cueball movements had him playing different paterns.
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I had a 14.1 lesson from Ray about 8 years ago - what an eye opener compared to the modern 14.1 pro players who smash in to the rack every at every opportunity.
 
Ding studies included Ronnie. A good look at his eye pattern is available on the Matchroom coverage of the U K Championship.
Ronnie displayed a father's affection for him.
 
Matchroom is providing Judd Trump vs John Higgins with the occasional high definition look at the eyes when delivering the stroke.
The first good look at John's eyes proved on the white at contact. I am still wondering if Judd has changed since his talking with Hendry.
 
The Battle of The Brows is ongoing with Trump and Higgins. Still cannot get a definite read on Judd. Awesome way to start Turkey day.
 
I’ve been looking at the CB last for years because I felt that I was missing more shots due to unintentional side spin than to poor aiming. Jayson said his routine when he’s in position to execute is to look at the OB then the CB, then OB again & finally the CB at which point he shoots. I’ve been trying this for a couple of days and been getting good results, I find it creates a nice rhythm.
Jayson also said that he thought most pro players look at the CB last which I find hard to believe. I’ve heard Jeremy Jones say in commentary that he looks at the CB last & that he was one of the few who did this.
 
When you eat you're Smarties do you eat the red ones last. I'll take eye movement as an each to their own and do what works for you. When playing snooker and in the zone I didn't think about anything except making balls and producing runouts and big breaks. I had 14 consecutive big breaks 36 years ago in three different poolhalls consisting of 9-90+ breaks and 5 centuries. My eyes moved which ever way was needed per shot
 
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