Eye Dominance causes this problem.....

Spent an enjoyable hour on the phone with Mr. Albrecht this afternoon.

I was shocked at the difference paying attention to what eye dominance can do for my shot.

I figure what he is teaching, is an instinctual thing for players who spend hours and hours practicing. Being made aware of what is happening with the eyes and brain, is a serious shortcut I was privileged to learn.

I have no doubt I am a better player for having spent that little time with Mr. Albrecht's approaches.

In fact, I wanted to go find someone to play after I finished speaking with him. Anyone up for a match?????

Thank you Mr. Albrecht for your time and patience. Anyone who wants to improve their game should look into his teachings.
 
Helped 5 players this afternoon. Great Sunday....

What a great day!

Worked with 5 players today teaching them about the dominant eye and how important it is for playing.

First there was George from Chicago, then Larry called me from Florida but when I called him back he was playing. So I called him back again later but it was too late for him. Set up a time for 5:00 Monday.

Then I worked with John from Idaho and also Raffi from S California.

My last phone lesson was with John from Charleston SC.

So today I was all over the country helping players play better. And in the comfort of my own living room.

Can't wait to hear about all the great results in the next few days.

Every lesson was a winner for sure.

Thanks guys It was fun........
 
If what you are saying is true about the non dominant eye trying to dominate, and getting in the way why not just close the non dominant eye, and only shoot with your dominant eye open?
 
Don't forget to factor approach and stance into the equation. Often times players unknowingly step into shots differently, particularly, left to right shots vs. right to left shots --- And when they miss they don't realize that they changed their stance.
 
Our eyes won't work that way......

tim913 said:
If what you are saying is true about the non dominant eye trying to dominate, and getting in the way why not just close the non dominant eye, and only shoot with your dominant eye open?
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Unless you have ocular vision and already shoot with one eye that won't work. .

Even if you lose an eye it would take awhile for you to envision the shot correctly.

Covering one eye will not work for anyone with binocular vision. About 97% of all players are binocular.

The brain seems to need some time to rewire to see correctly with one eye. Just covering it is definitely not enough time.

Rather than doubt this you should give me a call. It is the way it really does work.

Do you think the players that talk about how well this works are just kidding.

They can see it works with their own eyes.

I have the whole day booked up except between 2:00 to 4:00 central time.

Be by a table and give me a call and you also will be telling player how well this works.

Then you can tell players yourself how well this works.

715-563-8712 if I'm doing another phone lesson when you call I will call you as soon as possible. Usually within 1/2 hour.

Looking forward to it.
 
genomachino said:
Unless you have ocular vision and already shoot with one eye that won't work. .

Even if you lose an eye it would take awhile for you to envision the shot correctly.

Covering one eye will not work for anyone with binocular vision. About 97% of all players are binocular.

The brain seems to need some time to rewire to see correctly with one eye. Just covering it is definitely not enough time.

Rather than doubt this you should give me a call. It is the way it really does work.

Do you think the players that talk about how well this works are just kidding.

They can see it works with their own eyes.

I have the whole day booked up except between 2:00 to 4:00 central time.

Be by a table and give me a call and you also will be telling player how well this works.

Then you can tell players yourself how well this works.

715-563-8712 if I'm doing another phone lesson when you call I will call you as soon as possible. Usually within 1/2 hour.

Looking forward to it.
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Not doubting you at all, just curious as I've seen many people shoot a rifle or bow with just one eye open even though a lot of people say you should shoot with both eyes open. If it wouldn't help you during the shot would it at least help with just getting down on the right line, and then opening both eyes?
 
That is such a quick fix....

FranCrimi said:
Don't forget to factor approach and stance into the equation. Often times players unknowingly step into shots differently, particularly, left to right shots vs. right to left shots --- And when they miss they don't realize that they changed their stance.
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Once the dominant eye is in the correct position in the preshot the rest is pretty simple.

They can be 8' tall, 4' tall, broken back, bad knees, 300 lbs or even pregnant but by getting in the correct position to start out it kind of guides them into the right position for their body.

By starting out with the dominant eye in the correct position so many other things just fall into place.

Fran , I know your one of the smartest teachers here on AZ. And you must have given many lessons in your life. By giving lessons we all learn more. Your answers to questions are usually right on.

With over 10,000 personal lessons including small mini lessons and full lessons over the past 4 to 5 years I have learned so much more than I knew about every aspect of the game.

This is what has allowed me to take the eyes to another level never seen before.

With myself playing at a pretty high level and teaching full time I can assure you that I teach what works.

Stance, stroke, eye patterns, kicking, banking, breaking ............................................................and other aspects of the game are all so important.

But if the dominant eye is not in the most dominant position none of this other stuff works real well.

We miss the shot also......

I worked on the stance with each player that I worked with today. I couldn't see their stroke naturally but by getting the eyes right and the stance it sure helps the stroke that they already have.

If the eyes aren't right a player can't even see if the stroke is straight.

I wish there was a reality show where top pool players around the country get 10
B players to train and compete with each other. Using a team of 5 players each week.

My first 6 picks would be yourself, Stan Shuffet, Jerry Brieseth, Lee Brett and of course Scott lee and myself. We'd need about 12 teams of bonifide B players to fill the rosters all together maybe even 16.

How cool would that be. It would be so great for pool.

Each week they would be competing on live payperviews but it would be so cheap that everyone could watch their favorite team and players. $4.00 per week or close to it. Maybe even $3.00.

Could have special shows showing everyone what we're teaching to get players ready.

Would you be in if I ever get this in the works?
 
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It will help a little in the preshot......

tim913 said:
Not doubting you at all, just curious as I've seen many people shoot a rifle or bow with just one eye open even though a lot of people say you should shoot with both eyes open. If it wouldn't help you during the shot would it at least help with just getting down on the right line, and then opening both eyes?
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Some players need to kind of look with the dominant eye in the preshot to start in the right position but most everyone can get there with both eyes open.

With a bow or rifle you can isolate one eye because it is only one eye that does all of the aiming.

With a pool shot we have to worry about the peripheral vision and depth perception. This is why you need both eyes open.

Good question and easy to answer.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Every shot is when you learn to how you see and perceive. Once you know when the illusions are... balls go in.

Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk
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Dave: This is a wondeful sentence :-)

hope you re doin good buddy,

lg
Ingo
 
Hey gene im Jason, the one who called you from down by Rockford. I just want to say thanks for the help. Practiced for a few hours and saw an immediate improvement literally right after we got off the phone. Cant wait to practice with it again later today. Thanks again!!
 
Very nice post, very interesting subject.
This problem has been around like "forever", I guess the solution depends on many factors, most of the players will tend to adjust their aiming in order to overcome the optical "illusions" coming into play.
A slight change in alignment could do the job as well, from my humble experience this is something that should not be "overdone", apart from that any method that works for a player is fine as long as she/he has enough time to build it into her/his game in a solid way.
Petros
 
genomachino said:
The inability to keep your dominant eye in the most correct position causes this problem.

Set the cue ball one foot above the side pockets in the middle of the table and put the object ball one foot below the right side pocket right on the rail.

This will be a quarter ball hit. Use a ghost ball to make sure it's 1/4 ball.

Shoot this shot cutting to the left 15 times with no English and count how many you miss.

Then set up the shot on the left side. Cutting to the right.

Shoot it 15 times.

You will see that one side is easier to make. In fact the side that you miss the most will you will be hitting the OB too thick.

This is caused by not having the dominant eye in the most correct position letting the non dominant eye work a little bit as dominant.

Unless you know how to get these eyes right you just keep missing the same type of shots over and over and over and over. Sound familiar.

The way that you cut the ball and it's too thick is your non dominant eye

Trouble cutting to the right your left eye dominant.

Trouble cutting to the left your right eye dominant.

There might be one exception here and there but for the most part this is how it is.

This is not a theory but fact from thousands of lessons and seeing the same thing over and over.

I am doing this to help players so if you want to call and argue please call for the Free phone lesson first please. It will eliminate your doubts immediately.

I will be doing Free Phone lessons to help any AZers learn how to do this.

Just give me a call and be by a pool table.

This is why most players can't improve. The eyes just keep on betraying us.

Letting your brain just try to do this naturally with the eyes is ridiculous when you can manually do it and remove that bad look we get when getting down on a shot.

This is why it looks so bad sometimes.

It's all about the eyes....call 715-563-8712

I will be doing this for a limited amount of time.

I have stenosis right now and need surgery to correct the problem. This is keeping me from playing much right now but I can still talk and help players play better.

Call anytime after 12:00 central time.
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aiming, sighting...aiming, sighting...aiming, sighting....

This only a problem for those who are not properly aligned.

Dale(who is a competent bi-directional object ball cutter)
 
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pdcue said:
This only a problem for those who are not properly aligned.
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Agreed. If one always has their head in their personal "vision center" position, shots to the left should be no different than shots to the right.

For those who might need to find their "vision center" position (maybe after identifying a problem with the excellent drill suggested by Geno), the info, drills, and procedures on the vision center resource page might be helpful.

Check it out,
Dave
 
I had been fighting my game and went through all my mechanics to see if I could fix what was causing me to fail especially when I missed shots that I expect to make 99% of the time. By doing the inventory of mechanics, I fixed many issues and realize I still have others to work on. With this attention to detail I came to realize that I was missing many shots even when I hit my spot of the OB. What I came to realize was my aiming was visually different depending on how I initiated my aiming. In my case, I have to have my head further to the right than I am use to to get the best optical view when I am down on the shot. I had done a straight line test and had found what was straight before I came down on the shot was different than what I thought was straight in my shooting position. What was straight when I was on the shot is slightly off.

I still miss shots and have many things to work on but when I hit my spot on the OB it now goes in most of the time. I have felt a higher level of confidence since making this discovery and the QB and OB seem to know it. I personally think there is much to say about vision and each of us needs to find how we need to do our preshot routine to optimize ours.

Al

PS - I must say a great thank you to Mark Finkelstein of NYC grind as I used his instructional articles to make my personal discoveries both concerning my mechanics and my preshot routine.

PSS - I have no affiliation with anyone here and make no endorsement or condemnation of anyone or any entity. I do know there is relevance to eye dominance and a direct cause and effect on shot success.
 
dr_dave said:
Agreed. If one always has their head in their personal "vision center" position, shots to the left should be no different than shots to the right.

For those who might need to find their "vision center" position (maybe after identifying a problem with the excellent drill suggested by Geno), the info, drills, and procedures on the vision center resource page might be helpful.

Check it out,
Dave
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Dr. Dave, now this is funny. I had started posting and revising my post prior to yours and I went back to ensure my grammar was half way understandable you posted your link showing exactly what I did to make my discoveries. I guess I am relegated to doing things the hard way.

Al
 
Proper alignment is surely the base for a solid stroke, however minor subconscious adjustments may hide minor flaws in it.
Besides that, no alignment can eliminate different feeling/perception on different cuts since the cue line by definition does not come out from the body center or even the vision center which is adjusted properly in a correct execution.
Certain individuals may have a physical structure that partly overcomes this phenomenon, but I'd say the important thing is also to know what one wants to approach as a target, apart from approaching it in a right way...
 
genomachino said:
Once the dominant eye is in the correct position in the preshot the rest is pretty simple.

They can be 8' tall, 4' tall, broken back, bad knees, 300 lbs or even pregnant but by getting in the correct position to start out it kind of guides them into the right position for their body.

By starting out with the dominant eye in the correct position so many other things just fall into place.

Fran , I know your one of the smartest teachers here on AZ. And you must have given many lessons in your life. By giving lessons we all learn more. Your answers to questions are usually right on.

With over 10,000 personal lessons including small mini lessons and full lessons over the past 4 to 5 years I have learned so much more than I knew about every aspect of the game.

This is what has allowed me to take the eyes to another level never seen before.

With myself playing at a pretty high level and teaching full time I can assure you that I teach what works.

Stance, stroke, eye patterns, kicking, banking, breaking ............................................................and other aspects of the game are all so important.

But if the dominant eye is not in the most dominant position none of this other stuff works real well.

We miss the shot also......

I worked on the stance with each player that I worked with today. I couldn't see their stroke naturally but by getting the eyes right and the stance it sure helps the stroke that they already have.

If the eyes aren't right a player can't even see if the stroke is straight.

I wish there was a reality show where top pool players around the country get 10
B players to train and compete with each other. Using a team of 5 players each week.

My first 6 picks would be yourself, Stan Shuffet, Jerry Brieseth, Lee Brett and of course Scott lee and myself. We'd need about 12 teams of bonifide B players to fill the rosters all together maybe even 16.

How cool would that be. It would be so great for pool.

Each week they would be competing on live payperviews but it would be so cheap that everyone could watch their favorite team and players. $4.00 per week or close to it. Maybe even $3.00.

Could have special shows showing everyone what we're teaching to get players ready.

Would you be in if I ever get this in the works?
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Thanks for your thoughtful response, Gene. As for your idea, thanks for including me. Sounds like fun. I'd like to see the instructors in there playing along side their teams.
 
Just did the closed circle test looking at the clock on the wall, ten feet away.

Left eye closed, the clock is in the circle.

Right eye closed, the clock is about one and a half feet to the left of the circle.

Shoot left handed. Have to get my right eye over the cue.
 
Your probably correct on that one....

JohnnyP said:
Just did the closed circle test looking at the clock on the wall, ten feet away.

Left eye closed, the clock is in the circle.

Right eye closed, the clock is about one and a half feet to the left of the circle.

Shoot left handed. Have to get my right eye over the cue.
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As a general rule the players that find that they are opposite eye dominant with the circle or pointing test are usually right. About an 80/20 % correct.

It's the players that think that they are right eyed and right handed or left handed and left eye dominant that the test sometimes absolutely lies to you. With these players it's about 50/50

But there are exceptions to this common rule.

Give me a call Johnny and we'll make sure.

Let's have a little fun. 715-563-8712
 
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