Facts about Mosconi Cup Victory table

kevina

RASSON BILLIARDS
We got lots of inquiries about Rasson Billiards MFG. VictoryII table after the Mosconi Cup from all over the world, thanks for all your interest! At the meantime, also some questions about the levelness and pocket sizes to the table. No bother to guess, here we'll tell you the facts about the two points:
1. SLATE LEVELNESS
Some people were surprised to one ball that Rodney Morris played and questioned the slate wasn't leveled. The fact is whole table was installed well on Dec.05th and we tested out a "0" flatness tolerance to every area of play surface(we were there till late evening and even missed the cocktail party of Matchroom sport just wanted to make sure everything be alright with assembly). Table was set up at the exact place that required by Stage company on 5th, but on Dec.06, just before the event, the Filming company tested the lights and cameras and then required the middle sight on end rail of table had to line up with the line between red and blue carpet to make sure a good TV effect, therefore whole table be moved slightly which may caused some less levelness to slate , but no enough time to get it be fully checked and leveled before the event. So on Day 1, people saw the weird move of cue ball. But table was soon leveled on Day 2, so no problem then since Day 2.
2. POCKET SIZE
Some people questioned about one "skid in" ball of Mark Gray played on Day 1.
Corner pocket mouth is 4.25" and side pocket mouth at 5" according to requirement of organizer.
Shelf is cut almost same as what Brunswick did years ago for Mosconi Cup, Diamond's is about 1" deeper, but if you look back Mosconi Cup of years ago and you'll find Brunswick used same shallow shelf. The new ball, new cloth and lights make balls look like "skid" into the pockets and make pocket sizes look larger. When cloth not that new from second day, pockets looked tighter. Many people told us from Day2, table played much tougher.
According to the calculator of a Billiard University, this table be used at Mosconi Cup would still be a "Tough" table.
Apparently, the pro players now are more experienced and skilled than years ago, so maybe they need a "Very tough" table, but which would be easy to achieve and it's no problem to provide a tougher table next year!
Above are two statements we'd like to make about the table. We hadn't have planned to make such statements because it's unavoidable that people would hear different voices for one thing, but we have to say it now because we want people who really care us and the sport know the facts before making an judgement!
Thanks Matchroom Sport provide the fantastic Mosconi Cup! We as a billiard manufacturer, would like very much to promote the development of billiards sport, that's why we support the events.
Thanks Mosconi Cup Team Europe and Mosconi Cup Team USA provided us the praises and also some wise advice to our table. We'll keep on the good and further improve on some details to provide you a more perfect table next year in Las Vegas!
We're not afraid of question or doubt and we still very welcome any advice or comments from anyone else that can really help us to improve on products. We wish to create truly good products and bring everyone an entertainment to play on our table. We also look forward to a prosperous development in billiards sport! We should all be together to make this sport going further and stronger!!!
Thanks everyone!

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longhorns2

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makes sense but to me there's no excuse for moving a table and not leveling it completely, especially in an event like this. the rodney morris roll off shot was egregious and in short races can make a huge difference. not that it would have made much difference in this mosconi cup, but the table setup was amateur hour
 

Get_A_Grip

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Yeah. Thanks for the table info. 4.25" corners are tight enough IMO. Although from the stream they looked bigger to me and the played quite easy. Balls hit the rail a diamond and a half up the rails and they still went in.


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gxman

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How much do these tables go for?

Any possible future distributors in the US?
 

Mole Eye

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first impressions are hard to overcome, and based on the instances that were brought up, mine were very negative. No excuse for a ball rolling off like Morris' did, and no excuse for a ball that hits 2 diamonds up to go in with that angle.
 

sixwillwin

King of the Meadow
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That shallow shelf difference is a huge difference. So many balls fall with that. My diamond at home requires center pocket almost every shot.


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Mr. Bond

Orbis Non Sufficit
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Where (geographically) does the slate for your tables come from?

What are the dimensions of the slate used on your tables ?

Can the slate be leveled, or at least adjusted, accurately without taking the rails off?
 

AtLarge

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... Shelf is cut almost same as what Brunswick did years ago for Mosconi Cup, Diamond's is about 1" deeper ...

Your post #2 shows the corner pocket shelf as 21.2 mm for the Rasson table and 31.6 mm for the Diamond. That's a difference of 10.4 mm, or about 13/32". Why do you say the Diamond shelf "is about 1" deeper"?
 

watchez

What time is it?
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What kind of rubber are you using on the rails? One pro commented that the rails felt dead, causing the ball to 'stick' to it longer. This would also obviously effect the way the balls went easily into the pockets.
 

gxman

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What kind of rubber are you using on the rails? One pro commented that the rails felt dead, causing the ball to 'stick' to it longer. This would also obviously effect the way the balls went easily into the pockets.

I believe its the same Artemis K66 rubber as in Diamond tables.

http://www.rasson.cn/victory

So same rubber and simonis cloth as whats on Diamond tables.

Maybe the main culprit why the table seemingly play easy is the new cloth and shallow shelf.

4.25" pockets, but seems like the table plays much looser than the 4.5" Diamond pockets at my hall.
 

JohnnyP

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We hear every tournament that poorly hit balls slide in off the new cloth.

Why not use a brush to break in the rail cloth near the corner pockets?

Most vacuum cleaners have a hand held brush attachment with a motorized brush.
 

garczar

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Break-in..................

Just let a few of those drunk "UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-rup" chanting morons play on it a couple days before event. That outta break it in.;)
 

AtLarge

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We hear every tournament that poorly hit balls slide in off the new cloth.

Why not use a brush to break in the rail cloth near the corner pockets?

Most vacuum cleaners have a hand held brush attachment with a motorized brush.

I wonder whether just rubbing the rail cloth with a ball a bunch of times would work. Maybe spend about a minute rubbing each rail by the corner pockets after the table is set up. I wonder whether that would do it.
 
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